My son who is doing an internship at the statehouse just texted me with this news. He emailed me the amended bill if anyone wants to see it, I can send it in 5 minutes and y'all can post it. I'll be out of the office the rest of the day.

Dr. B

Maybe it'll finally go. Tired of this grey area bullschit

Somebody post it.

Basically a $15 "bait privilege license" paid to the state for each feeder you have. Even those exempt from needing a hunting license will need one if they want to put corn out.

Dr. B

Well that doesn't create any gray areas....NOT.


Officer, that's Jim's feeder. He put out 50 but didn't pay the fee.

Funny, and here we were always told that baiting laws were for the good of the game, keep it fair chase, help keep spread of disease down. Now we see it was really just about the money that the fines brought in.

All about money. Always is.

As long as the feeder is permitted, it will be OK I'm sure. Will have to actually attach permit to feeder. Think they do this in other states.

If they are going to legalize it, I hope they require this.

Makes more sense to me to have the individual paying for a license instead of paying for a per feeder sticker, but if it clarify's the feeding rule it has to be somewhat better.

It should be a personal tag not per feeder.

I like it. Enforcement would be easy. If your looking at a feeder it better have a sticker. If your in a club you would t have to worry about whether a noncornsticker club member was hunting too close.

what another load of chitt.

just make it legal or illegal.

Succinct and to the point as usual. Common sense and laws rarely collide.

What I say.

Does not make since to place sticker on feeders. A lot of people don't use feeders and scatter corn on the ground. a feeding stamp attached to license would be best option. If your club uses corn and you don't it would be your choice if you want to by the stamp or not. just my .02

I think requiring the feeder to be tagged instead of licensing an individual will probably work better if the feed site is legal for everyone who hunts it and be cheaper to license a few feeders than have every club member buy a permit you could put out 4 or 5 feeders and everyone could hunt them legaly instead of one or two people putting out their feeder then if you accidentally hunt close to it or on purpose without a license you get a fine. Ill pay $30 for two licenses i can put on a couple gravity feeders and put in some secret spots. A couple weeks supply of corn costs more than that anyway.

Yea, somebody's got an inside deal with a feeder manufacturer, just like they got an inside deal with trophy rock. Somebody's pockets are getting lined.

Texas would become the most prosperous state in the Union, if they taxed feeders. We ran 8 on 640 acres.

Ill be willing to bet buying the license will require that the corn not be broadcast on the ground and must be in some form of trough

The fee is attached to the license.

Just look at it as a license increase.....most of the purists who claim they would never hunt near bait can just look at it as a donation to the DCNR.

I heard someone in the DCNR say just last week in his opinion he did not think it would go thru now after all the talk of the mississippi deer that was going around

I dont really see how it would prevent cwd from spreading with all the corn thats put out anyway and the supplemental feed in the off season

Y’all do understand this bill is being proposed by LEGISLATORS and not the DCNR. Some of the comments make me think that some of you are under the impression that the state agency is pushing this for more license revenue. So far that is not the case. Just a clarification

so when will we know if it passes?

I do, Matt.

The Legislature is the only ones that can make and pass laws.

But, irregardless, the compromise was made to gain support for the Bill by the addition of the fees to offset the loss of revenue generated by fines. And, it clearly says that.

Well, then I could dump 50 different corn piles around and just have a single stamp...b/c I can only hunt one at a time.

Completely understand that.



As for y'all saying "Should be on the license" or "Should be on the feeder" or "I scatter corn bur don't use a feeder so ..."

Y'know what? As usual, the legislators didn't ask you and don't give a chit about you or your opinions.

My wife can make any sticker, just saying

Put the sticker on your gun stock

Understand, but why does that matter, what's the difference?

He is emphasizing that a legislator came up with this idiotic schitt and it didn't originate from the DCNR.

So that's a big difference.

So aldeer stickers for all?!

One thing that I am wondering about is who would get the $15?

assuming these stickers will have barcodes and serial numbers, maybe even anti counterfeit measures. Someone will have to log all that info in and keep up with it.

($15/ea sounds high to cover costs, but there will be costs)

There are no stickers!!!!

Where do y’all get this stuff????

Correct.

It's for a "bait privilege license", which will be $15 for residents, and $50 for non-residents.

I've got more guns than feeders. This could get expensive.

HB 21. Found it. It went through some stuff today (not exactly sure what) and is labeled “engrossed” as of right now. Not sure what that means.

And yes, it is a bait privilege license. Not per feeder or anything but per individual

It Passed the House 79 - 14.

Headed to the Senate now.

Hell isn't this about the 4th year it's made it to the Senate

I hope the senate does the right thing.

Drop it like it's hot

2nd year to Senate.
It was never voted on last year in senate due to the timing of the Bentley scandal.

That's right i forgot about the Luv Gov lol...

No way Jose, need to pass and go into effect for this fall.

Damn thread has 1000 views...

Three pages deep into a thread about baiting and haven't seen the words "lazy" or "woodsmanship". Am I missing something?

I do not think the current age of QDM’ers know what it was like when NO Baiting was truly Enforced!

I have seen whole Clubs shut down over a baited spot in the woods on the Club!
Heck, there was NO hog trapping on a property during ANY hunting Season!!! and, no ‘special’ permits to allow it.
If a GW saw an empty corn bag on your truck, or by the road at your place, you could bet that they were gonna walk the property thoroughly.....and, there had better not be any feeders that even had a grain of corn stuck in them on the property!!!!

QDM, along with food plots and supplemental feediing paved the way to where we are today......for better or worse!
And, I bet they do not want to go back.

It's just assumed, right?

No point in it. It's a given that the masterbaiters are lazy and lack woodsmanship.

On second thought maybe some of them are pretty good with the wood.

10-4

Not this bill, it needs to say Baiting is legal or not legal that is all we need to know. No permits or this or that either it is or it is not

I agree with you, Ben!!

But, everybody in Montgomery thinks they are professional Politicians and are into making deals.....gotta be Give and Take!

I thought that label was for us that hunt out of shooting houses on green fields.

Well, yeah. Lazy shootin' house non-woodsmen.

So if I have a lifetime hunting license and didn't buy some baiter permit and some asshat that hunts the same property that I do goes out on a Saturday morning and puts corn out in an area I'm hunting Sunday morning but I didn't walk the entire area in the dark with a flashlight and the GW comes in and gives me a ticket for not having a baiter license, am I supposed to be all happy??

Baiters, just need to bait, take your chances and stop playing like your not a baiter. Really simple.

I thought about that too. One person in a hunting club can cause everyone to pay or have an area all to himself. I can see a lot of hurt feelings over this crap. I'm with Ben. Either it is illegal or legal with no stipulations.

There was one land owner (probably more) who suggested "Permits" for feeders several years ago. Guess the legislators are seeing the dollars signs now

Boy's I believe we will all have the opportunity to be masterbaiters next fall. Not my choice but it's fixing to happen. It's gonna make a lot of folks have to find something else to bitch about next year but I'm pretty sure it's going to pass. I feel sorry for my neighbors paying that high lease because that's all they had going for them without food plots and they are fixing to find out that it ain't an advantage if everybody does it. I think the average hunter is going to find himself further behind the 8 ball but what do I know it's just an opinion. I do think they need to finish this after the feeding rule crap and the cat was already out the bag so they might as well turn everybody loose and make money to piss away. Time to feeder up and may the best baiter win. It's dang sure going to be a funny site looking down at that yellow next year for some of us.

Does this bill prohibit hunting clubs from setting their own rules? If the majority of people in a hunting club do not want any feeders or corn put out on the club can't they make that a rule for the club? I know of many clubs that have rules more restrictive than the actual game laws of the state. Just because something is legal doesn't mean you have to do it.

Yeah, well what do you know about growing and killing big bucks?

Oh, wait....

Who says you have to look down at the yellow? Nobody is forcing you to put out corn.

$50 for non resident. What a load of crap. I paid my money for lifetime license. Kiss my grits.

Sure they can but so you think you will get 10-25 people all to agree to the same thing. Just using Adeer as an example, it looks like about a 50/50 split on the issue. A vote might go one way and it becomes club rule, but someone isn't going to be happy. Are they going to decide this before or after dues are paid? Like I said, there will be some hurt feelings over this.

This is about the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Hell I hope my neighbors are pouring truck loads of corn so the damn hogs will get off my property. I don't think it's gonna change anything but putting money in their pockets when dang near everyone else is my area has been hunting over corn for years

Come on buddy I got to keep up with the Jones. Seriously your right but it's payback time for my neighbors for all these years. I'm just messing around I really could care less what happens I just heard some talk in downtown monkey town today at lunch and figured I would add my opinion with it. I don't have a dog in this fight brother.

You are getting somewhere now with the hog situation and I'll stop this is to hot of a topic to voice my true concerns for 10 or 20 years from now. I just want what is best for our states deer herd and this ain't no cure all. Dax out..

I think the fee for nonresidents should be $225.....

Well since corn makes them nocturnal maybe we can build the numbers back up

I think they should charge per kernel. Would generate more revenue...

The higher the fee the less money folks will have to put into anything but corn and feeders and that's what's going to end up happening. We will gradually see a decrease of clubs and weekend warriors planting and improving habitat because of finances and thinking that corn is money better spent and it may very well be in certain situations. Only time will tell but I wouldn't count on that fee money going to anything to make real change for the better especially with politicians involved.

It works in Texas.

I'm sure it will still be illegal on public land?

Man Texas ain't all paper companies, pines and sweetgums it's basically a different world or south Texas is anyhow. Remember a pasture in Texas is like 2000ac and where covered up with 40s. The state to compare us to is Florida mainly the panhandle when it comes to baiting as a whole.

Either way I'm good with it. I've had fun hunts in Texas. Never hunted FL but if it'll compare that's fine. I say get this thing passed and move on to more important things.

I agree 100% I'm good either way and I hope it passes anyhow this feeding rule we've got now is horse hockey and ain't no way to go back once they did the feeding bill.

I just hope if it passes, some of the money from licensees actually gets to be used by DNR

I think the in-state fee should be $425

I live in NW Fl and there is a very healthy population of deer here. I have driven back and forth to the Pike county area for over 40 years and at night you are just as likely or more likely to see deer along the highway as you do in Alabama.

That is my Thought as well.

Pandoras Box is already open.

I am tired of rich neighbors with political connections feeding by the tons and The small land owners getting caught for baiting.

You did not get the memo??

Wealthy people and high fences Supplemental Feed and are Responsible Conservationists.

Po folks simply bait and are poachers!

never saw so much BS in my life. Just make it legal or not legal. If they want more money just raise the license fee.

So can we bait during all seasons or just deer season once this passes?

Raise the out of state fee high enough to cover losses, or most of it, from making corn legal. Bam, problem solved. Only reason out of state folks hunt here is cause they gots money. Time to pay the piper.

This whole nonsense about buying a sticker or someshit is about the most stupid thing I've ever seen.

Well that's just an ignorant statement.

I see Alabama's deer population, which is a shared state resource, as no different than something like a professional sports stadium. We (the states residents) hold a valuable resource that many desire to use, and in my opinion, we don't charge out of state hunters enough for it. If the deer hunting in Alabama is only so-so, then those out of state hunters can talk with their wallets and not buy an expensive out of state hunting license. The visceral reaction to this suggestion is all you need to know about whether out of state residents would continue to buy a license. If the hunting wasn't so good here compared to their home states they'd laugh it off and not care. We need to take pride in what our state has to offer and charge accordingly. We have more woods and huntable land here than almost any other state in the nation when you take into state size and population.

Push all the pine trees down and clean up the fields, kill off all the hogs and let people make a living farming again like it use to be here and we wouldn't need corn. It use to be a lot more fun and kill a lot more and bigger deer back then.

Ya'll quit sending your folks down here to FL on vacation and we'll stop sending ours up there to hunt, deal?

So when does the Senate take action on it? Anyone know?

Just charge us extra to use the beaches

They already do. Look at the lodging tax on your bill.

When I lived in Santa Rosa beach, it was bad when vacation season started. In the mornings I could get to Eglin in 30 min. but going home would take an hour or more.

You don't have to worry about me. I ain't lost nothing in Florida.

Word!

I hunt AL because that's where I'm from, that's where my friends hunt, and that's where I have access to land. None of those have anything to do with money. Do plenty of out of state people hunt AL and have money? Sure, but don't lump everyone into one category. Also, I would bet that out of state hunters already contribute almost as much, if not more money to the state than in-state hunters do, by the time you add up the $306 license, fuel, food, lodging, etc.

It may have already been asked, but what is the time table for when this will be presented and voted on in the senate?

Have you even left the county you live in in the last 5 years?

I don't think a non-resident should pay any more than a resident.
For anything, including a hunting license.
For example, a man who grew up in Alabama, still owns property in Alabama, but moved to another state because of his work.
Why should he be required to pay 10 times more for a hunting license than me?

Absolutely. I've been to Texas, Louisiana, Minnesota and Indiana, just in the past year.

http://www.aldeer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2384951
Had a contractor in our plant from south bama once . We got to talking about deer hunting and he began to Bîtch about what he called "coastes" causing the price of leases to increase in his area etc . Then he went on to talk about how he liked hunting the Midwest so much . So I asked . What do you think them boys up in the Midwest think about folks from bama hunting in their neck of the woods ? That mfer gave me the most puzzled look and said he never even thought about that . This tickled me cuz the whole conversation got started after he asked me about trading some offshore fishing for a hunt in the ol woodpecker stand . Lol .

Complicated baiting regs is dumb . Make it legal or not plain and simple .

Should he still get to vote in Alabama, too?

OK, just so we're clear....we're banning all guns today, and legalizing all corn?

And making non-resident license fees go up by 40 percent.

Corn, guns and license fees.


Wait, aren't these rooted in the Revolutionary War?

Actually yes!
I believe voting should be limited to white male property owners.

I agree that it needs to be a simple law, Legal or not, no more gray areas.

But if they cant make it a simple statement about it being legal they should do the sticker on a feeder like a house trailer has. It will get complicated quick if one person in a club (or a neighbor) puts out corn and then someone gets a ticket because of it. If it is done as a licence for the person I guess I will buy one even though I dont bait just so I would be safe.


I have a stand in the edge of a pasture that has timber on 3 sides. Two sides are not my property, and about mid January I was sitting there and at 3pm I could hear a feeder go off in the woods (not on my property). I could hear the spinner and also hear the corn hitting the legs of the feeder. I have no idea how far away it was so I might not have been legal. The only way for me to know would have been to trespass to measure it. I didnt leave my stand that day and was willing to pay an undeserved ticket if I had received one. But I did not go back to that stand because I dont want a ticket. The neighbor should not be able to do something that reduces the places on my property I can hunt.

If they did the sticker on the feeder and the GW finds one without a sticker he should be allowed to destroy it like a moonshine still. But the possibilities of feeders on the other side of a property line could make this complicated. Would be much easier if they just said it was legal, but that would not enable the state to make any money and that is what it is all about.

And on the brink of boycotting Florida

No, but they are readily available in the big pen.

Just read it passed.
http://www.alreporter.com/2018/02/23/house-approves-hunting-hogs-deer-bait/
The bill passed 79-14 . It now goes to the Alabama Senate for its consideration.