Interesting, so, what in order to make them legal are you supposed to somehow call and get a serial number or something? Is it an illegal gun until it has a serial on it?

I get what your saying and agree, but devil's advocate - 2A says nothing about your rights involved when purchasing "arms". Just that you have the right to keep and bear them. Our friendly politicians in Washington can do whatever they want to in that regard to buying/selling/manufacturing them. As was seen in the original "assault weapons" ban...which did nothing except create a craze around AR's when it opened back up...and Columbine happened during it.

Well, the constitution doesn't say anything about not requiring voter ID's either. So, let's do that!

Don't be trying to use logic now that ain't fair!

Ammunition limits and registration are required in California and Illinois. Seattle instituted some wildly crazy tax-per-box on ammo, but it backfired on them because buyers just went to the next county and bought it. The city lost more money from that than it projected to bring in via the tax (because they're liberal dumbasses). And I believe in Illinois you have to have some kind of "Sportsman's Card" or "Ammunition Registration Card" or something -- basically, proof of more registration -- before you can purchase anything?

Wiley Coyote on here has been saying for years they will go after the ammo because it's easier to do so. They did it with blackpowder for reloading and muzzleloader folks. They'll continue doing it piecemeal with centerfire ammo and not just in those areas/states I mentioned.


But these minor inconveniences are just part of it, like GameCheck and tagging and all for the good of society. Right? Just minor inconveniences. Shouldn't be a bother to anyone interested in helping mankind and doing the right thing.

And the next minor inconvenience won't be too onerous tacked onto the previous minor inconveniences, permits, waiting times and registrations and mandates and whatnot. Only takes a few more minutes with the previous few more minutes, and you don't mind waiting a little more for the limited amount you can possess.

And then another minor inconvenience surely won't bother anyone interested in ...



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While there are already hundreds of gun laws and regulations on the books, state and federal, most people, especially the Bolshevik liberals don't know what they are - and don't care. And they are using the millennial snowflake students to manipulate the situation.

Current state and federal laws ban/forbid gun possession by the mentally ill.
The problem is that there has never been any real enforcement of that law, and no structure in place to do so.
The Virginia Tech shooting made that very clear. So did the Sandy Hook and Colorado theater shootings.

Any proposed law in Congress should not go beyond the mental illness issue of gun ownership.
And even that can be abused eventually, as it is a fact of contemporary history that most atheist liberals today consider any kind of religious belief to be a mental disorder, especially Christianity.

Nope, you just machine them into a completed lower.

Democrat, Republican, I don't care who they are. They are after your rights. Not just gun control, all of your rights. Keep voting for the same types and you'll get the same results.

The lower is 80% complete. It doesn't need a serial number since it isn't complete.

You finish it on your own with a drill press. Can't resale it or make one for a buddy.

Bill said "You're all entitled to your opinions even if you're wrong."

Yes, we have all been wrong this entire time. Only if we would listen to you. Bill knows what everyone should vote for and how the entire world should run. You been spewing that same crap for months. Maybe you should run for a position since we are all wrong. You indicate that that some of us are devoted to a party, yes you said that here "I do find it comical how devoted some are to a party that couldn't care less if you breathe your last breath today but will attack like minded people who would likely help you if you needed it." Show me where I am devoted to a party. Show me my my voting record. Show me any proof of anything you say about "us". Until then, you remain the little chihauha in the corner barking really loudly for attention while everyone goes about their business of making things happen.

Posted from a complete independent conservative christian who is 100% any additional form of gun control and would like current gun control rolled back, who doesn't let anyone "tell" him who to vote for, but looks at the real issues and develops his opinion and votes consistently in every election.

I try to stay out of political topics (cause politics is one of four areas that a seemingly normal person can instantly illuminate the fact that they are indeed NOT normal and are in reality idiots)....but this time, I cannot.

Am I the only person who sees that the LAST mentally unstable people give a crap about are LAWS??

If gubmint wants to do something about the rash of school shootings...how about the following:

1) have local police recognize when there have been THIRTY SIX calls placed to 911 on a single residence in the last couple of years...Houston, you have a problem.

2) have the FBI get there schitt together. They got warned not once but TWICE about the shooter being unstable and dangerously suited towards SHOOTING A SCHOOL up...

3) have more stringent guidelines for your state employees who are supposedly "mental Heath professionals" who deemed Cruz "not a threat to himself or anyone else"...well that certainly wasn't accurate

4) create more hospitals and treatment facilities for all of the mentally unstable individuals that we have in this country. Slinging a script at them and wishing them well clearly isn't working.

5) use some of all this money we all pay in taxes to put an armed police officer at each and every school in the country.


There are bigger problems in this country than gun control

That's it in a nutshell.

I get it, so it's just the receiver that's actually 80% complete, not the whole lower. You have to drill all the holes, etc to mil-spec yourself.

The background check is to ensure you didn't lie on the 4473 form. Pass and you can take possession of the weapon. No infringement of your rights occurred. In most states, waiting periods are waived if you have a valid conceal carry license. What I don't favor are required background checks where I have to pay an FFL $25 to perform the search if I am selling privately. Make it a public database.

Youre correct. You can purchase JIGS that fit different lowers, 1911's etc to make it easier.

https://www.80percentarms.com/collections/lower-jigs

As long as it is your personal weapon, no serial # is required. If it ever leaves your possession (sold, gifted, or inherited), a serial number must be obtained from the BATF and stamped on the gun as required by federal law. I think you must keep the paperwork proving you are the original owner of the 80% lower as well. LEO's frown upon weapons with no serial number.

Hell remember the Gun store owner called the FBI on the douche bag that ended up shooting up the nightclub in Florida. Lot of places wouldn't have done that (apparently it wouldn't have mattered) but he did, and still got no results...

How is SEE something SAY something supposed to work if the ones we're saying to what we saw aren't listening?? Now we're seeing the results of dropping the ball by the feds and local pd's by wanting to punish everyone for one persons actions that very well could've been stopped beforehand. New laws wont stop the next shooting because the firearm is already in the shooters possession . The only thing that will stop them is a good guy with a gun

There is no serial number on an 80% lower you complete yourself and no need for an FFL to do so. Just you can’t transfer the lower you built. But you can transfer all other parts to a relative that completes their own 80% lower without any FFL involved

Funding for mental health facilities has been slashed by legislatures in almost all states.

It's one area where "we want less government" is being implemented. The judicial system also has issues with this when it has mentally ill inmates who need psych treatment but cannot get said inmate into a psych facility due to lack of beds. Overcrowded in the few, existing psych facilities along with overcrowded jails and prisons. So the mentally ill inmate has to stay in the jail or prison.

It's a long story, but this is an example of that situation:

https://features.propublica.org/tyl...tal-health-evaluations-criminal-justice/


But I agree with you. The mental health situation in the U.S. is a serious problem.