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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou [Re: CNC] #2404220
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I don't think most people understand the time and money that the deer trackers have invested in trying to help find a dead deer for somebody else. I guess it is just a different kind of hunting for ya'll, except you are trying to find a deer hit with a piss poor shot by some hunter that usually can't hit a football at 50 yards with a scoped rifle.

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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by foldemup

Do any trackers use something like a 20 ga slug gun? Just seems like my turkey gun with a ff3 and a slug or some number 6 TSS from 60 yards and/or running would fold one up!


From talking to some of the other trackers.....it sounds about like every gun in the world has been tried at one point in time. I guess everyone just settles with what they feel the most comfortable with. I'm really comfortable shooting a little lever action gun....I just think I would benefit from a little more knock down power than my 30-30 is giving me.


Art Powers from Selma came and found a deer for us Saturday (the 2nd deer in 2 days for our club) and he had one of those HiPoint .45 Carbines I've seen you mention before. On the Saturday track he had another guy with him (Scott Stevens from Spanish Fort) and Scott carried a .20 gauge and was shooting slugs. Art had two dogs of breeding I wasn't familiar with but Scott had what looked like the union of a dachsund and a Scottish Terrier. He called it a tracking Tenner (?). It was an extremely cool looking little dog.

What I found funny was that after the recovery, all three dogs got really possessive of the deer. They weren't super happy about my son handling it but they couldn't stand for one of the other dogs to get close. Was kind of funny actually. May have been the first time all three had worked the same track. Have Otis and Shelby ever had jealousy over a deer like that?

Art and Scott's dogs did a great job on two hard tracks and I could not recommend them more. There's a video on Facebook where my son John had to wade the creek to get his buck out. We trailed probably 800 yes through tall timber but full of briers. By the Grace of God, where they bayed the deer up was only about 100 yes down the creek to the power line we were hunting. If we'd of had to drag him back the way we went in it would have killed me for sure.

Great stories Harold. Thanks for what you do.

Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou [Re: timbercruiser] #2404398
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Originally Posted by timbercruiser
I don't think most people understand the time and money that the deer trackers have invested in trying to help find a dead deer for somebody else. I guess it is just a different kind of hunting for ya'll, except you are trying to find a deer hit with a piss poor shot by some hunter that usually can't hit a football at 50 yards with a scoped rifle.



You’re right about that…. I’ll give the dogs a couple weeks off and then Shelby will start running training tracks solo for the rest of the summer. I have a whole deep freeze dedicated to just training supplies. A lot of time dedicated to being able to do this. I really enjoy it though for the most part. The driving around all over creation is the thing that really burns me out. I may go to Eufaula on one track and then to Troy for the next…..then to Lafayette…….back to Union Springs……then to Ramer……..up to Alex City…..back down to Hayneville…..over to Pittsview……and on and on and on…..I’d love to track another one today but I’m just tired of running around.


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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou [Re: RobertD] #2404399
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Originally Posted by RobertD


Art Powers from Selma came and found a deer for us Saturday (the 2nd deer in 2 days for our club) and he had one of those HiPoint .45 Carbines I've seen you mention before. On the Saturday track he had another guy with him (Scott Stevens from Spanish Fort) and Scott carried a .20 gauge and was shooting slugs. Art had two dogs of breeding I wasn't familiar with but Scott had what looked like the union of a dachsund and a Scottish Terrier. He called it a tracking Tenner (?). It was an extremely cool looking little dog.

What I found funny was that after the recovery, all three dogs got really possessive of the deer. They weren't super happy about my son handling it but they couldn't stand for one of the other dogs to get close. Was kind of funny actually. May have been the first time all three had worked the same track. Have Otis and Shelby ever had jealousy over a deer like that?

Art and Scott's dogs did a great job on two hard tracks and I could not recommend them more. There's a video on Facebook where my son John had to wade the creek to get his buck out. We trailed probably 800 yes through tall timber but full of briers. By the Grace of God, where they bayed the deer up was only about 100 yes down the creek to the power line we were hunting. If we'd of had to drag him back the way we went in it would have killed me for sure.

Great stories Harold. Thanks for what you do.


I like Art….he’s a good guy. We talk on the phone from time to time and always see one another at the tracking events. I’ve never seen his dogs work but from the stories everyone tells….he’s obviously a really good tracker with good dogs too. thumbup

Otis and Shelby have never been possessive like that up to this point. I think they both see the possession of the deer belonging to me as the pack leader. It may change as they get older but they’ve never really shown aggression toward one another period. They both have a pretty docile personality.




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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou [Re: CNC] #2405176
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Originally Posted by CNC
I know I’ve talked about this subject at least a half dozen times and I’ve probably come up with just about as many different gun choices for what would be ideal for me to carry tracking……..but I think THIS TIME I may finally know what gun I need…….The Marlin 1894 Guide Gun in 45-70…….From what I can tell, it’s basically my Marlin 30-30 I'm shooting now but with a lot more arse. You can shoot 300 gr bullets out of the 45-70 versus the 170 gr I'm using in the 30-30. I’m thinking that the extra knock down power may really help in these situations where I have less than ideal shots. Either my first or second shot yesterday hit that deer solid through the middle of its gut area and he just toted it off like he hadn’t even been hit. He was still squaring off with Otis and trying to charge at him when they were in the hayfield after taking one right through the body.

Hmmmm…..something to ponder over this summer. grin


CNC, this might be what your looking for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyFIwe1G2_A

Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou [Re: RobertD] #2405352
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Hey RobertD..... my little pup is a tracking Teckel.... wirehair dachshund breed.. Got her from Thrasher’s tracking out of Luverne Al.. he has a great bloodline of these dogs. Been more than pleased with her so far.. Amazing to what her at 15 weeks old and has it figured out like she does.

Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou [Re: Forrestgump1] #2405383
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Originally Posted by Forrestgump1
CNC, this might be what your looking for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyFIwe1G2_A



I saw that one while searching....I like it too. I haven't looked at the specs of each but I'm assuming maybe its even shorter than the guide gun version of the 45-70.....I'll probably look at both models and see which one feels the best. I've actually decided after carrying my 30-30 for a while now that carrying a rifle of that size isn't that bad if you use two slings like a backpack. I don't know if I necessarily want to go with the shortest possible option anymore. I think the shorter I go, the less accurate I'll be. I'm thinking the guide gun may hit the sweet spot I'm looking for. I think it's gonna be just a smidge shorter than my 30-30...which would be perfect. My 30-30 is still snagging on vines here and there that I duck under.

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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou [Re: DeerTrkr] #2405436
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Originally Posted by DeerTrkr
Hey RobertD..... my little pup is a tracking Teckel.... wirehair dachshund breed.. Got her from Thrasher’s tracking out of Luverne Al.. he has a great bloodline of these dogs. Been more than pleased with her so far.. Amazing to what her at 15 weeks old and has it figured out like she does.


Welcome to the forum Scott!....Those are awesome little dogs from what I've seen. thumbup


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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou [Re: CNC] #2405651
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I've really enjoyed reading the stories in this thread. It's been very informative and I appreciate you sharing what you're seeing first hand in the field. Congratulations on a great season and thanks for what you do!

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Originally Posted by Deer Crossing
I've really enjoyed reading the stories in this thread. It's been very informative and I appreciate you sharing what you're seeing first hand in the field. Congratulations on a great season and thanks for what you do!


Thanks Deer Crossing!....... beers


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Before this thread completely dies out for the summer, I wanted to let anyone that’s interested in attending know that this year’s blood tracking convention will be May 5th at the State Cattle Ranch just south of Greensboro, AL….Contact Paul Couget (504)-250-7456 for information on tickets.

If you think you might be interested in training a blood tracking dog or if you have a puppy that you’re currently working with…..then you definitely want to attend this event. They’ll be trackers in attendance from all over the southeast with just about any and every breed of blood tracking dog used today….including most of the dogs you read about here on the forum. Hope to see some of y'all there.

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great job this year Harold!! Was great to finally meet you in person and watch your dogs work. I know who I'm calling next year if we got one we cant find!!

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Originally Posted by slayinbucks24/7
great job this year Harold!! Was great to finally meet you in person and watch your dogs work. I know who I'm calling next year if we got one we cant find!!


Thanks man!.....Look forward to seeing y'all again next year. thumbup


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Harold, do you have record of your season totals?

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Enjoyed following along with y'all and congrats on all of the recoveries.

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Originally Posted by CNC
Before this thread completely dies out for the summer, I wanted to let anyone that’s interested in attending know that this year’s blood tracking convention will be May 5th at the State Cattle Ranch just south of Greensboro, AL….Contact Paul Couget (504)-250-7456 for information on tickets.

If you think you might be interested in training a blood tracking dog or if you have a puppy that you’re currently working with…..then you definitely want to attend this event. They’ll be trackers in attendance from all over the southeast with just about any and every breed of blood tracking dog used today….including most of the dogs you read about here on the forum. Hope to see some of y'all there.


I went to this last year and I still don't have a tracking dog, yet...... If you are even remotely considering a tracking dog this is a must attend event. I got to meet Harold and Otis, Otis is not just a good tracker, he's a friendly dog and probably my favorite one there. Oh, and Harold is a stand up guy to. Being around all of the different breeds that will be there and talking with the handlers can give you a good idea of what tracking really is and how the different breeds might fit into your family situation. This event gives you the opportunity to talk with the handlers and ask them questions, everyone I talked with was more than happy to tell me what I wanted to know. I hope to go again this year, even though it is a long drive for me.

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Originally Posted by jlbuc10
Harold, do you have record of your season totals?


No, I didn't even keep up with it.

Originally Posted by alhawk
Enjoyed following along with y'all and congrats on all of the recoveries.


Thanks alhawk! thumbup

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Originally Posted by Cousneddy


I went to this last year and I still don't have a tracking dog, yet...... If you are even remotely considering a tracking dog this is a must attend event. I got to meet Harold and Otis, Otis is not just a good tracker, he's a friendly dog and probably my favorite one there. Oh, and Harold is a stand up guy to. Being around all of the different breeds that will be there and talking with the handlers can give you a good idea of what tracking really is and how the different breeds might fit into your family situation. This event gives you the opportunity to talk with the handlers and ask them questions, everyone I talked with was more than happy to tell me what I wanted to know. I hope to go again this year, even though it is a long drive for me.


beers

Hope your able to make it this year. ......I enjoy just going to hang out with all the other trackers and share stories. I think we're having another crawfish boil this year too. thumbup thumbup


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CNC,
What barrel length is your 30-30? The reason I ask is there is a short barrel version you might like.

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Originally Posted by outdoors1
CNC,
What barrel length is your 30-30? The reason I ask is there is a short barrel version you might like.


Mine has the 20 in barrel. I’ve seen those youth model 30-30’s with the 16 in barrel and that’s basically the gun I’m wanting…….except I want to step it up to a 45-70. These bay situations are often times in really thick brush and you’re not presented with a good shot. These big bucks are also so amped up on adrenaline when the dog is baying them that its about like trying to put down Tony Montana at the end of Scarface. That last one toted off a shot right through middle of its guts like I hadn’t even hit it. I’m hoping if I hit one center mass with that 45-70 then its gonna really put on hurtin on him.

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