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Re: Aldeer Deer Harvest Estimate
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#2408705
02/15/18 02:21 AM
02/15/18 02:21 AM
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Here’s the hunter survey information for 2015-16 as well as a chart showing previous years……. http://www.outdooralabama.com/sites...labama%20Hunting%20Survey%20Report_0.pdfGoing by what they’re showing…….We should have approx. 190,000 deer hunters if there hasn’t been any drastic changes compared to the last five years. If we use that number along with our average kill % then that gives us…….. 159,000 bucks killed 133,000 does killed Total Harvest: 292,000 In comparison, last years estimated harvest was 295,000 so we may not be that far off with our survey. So if those numbers are correct and we as a state have an "estimated" 1.5 million deer, why isn't the deer population growing exponentially? Personally because I think our estimate is way high. I wouldn't be surprised if we have less that 1M head.
Ya'll are just overthinking it now
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Re: Aldeer Deer Harvest Estimate
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#2408766
02/15/18 07:38 AM
02/15/18 07:38 AM
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One thing to keep in mind is that we’re just looking at an estimated hunter harvest……not total mortality. In order to estimate total annual mortality we would have to add in the number of deer hit by cars, eaten by coyotes, died of disease/fighting, etc…..
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Aldeer Deer Harvest Estimate
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02/15/18 08:52 AM
02/15/18 08:52 AM
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globe
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No joke, four got killed within 200 yards of my house just this deer season. The # of car related deaths statewide would be staggering.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: Aldeer Deer Harvest Estimate
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02/15/18 09:47 AM
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Just doing a quick search I found an estimate for 2013 that said 2100 deer/car related crashes…..That seems like bullchit. Maybe its not a real significant number compared to hunter harvest but I see dead deer all over the damn roads around here. That seems really low for statewide. Their estimate must just be insurance claims…..Maybe there’s a lot that are hit and not turned in on insurance.
I think coyotes are probably the biggest secondary factor next to hunters. However many coyotes there are in the woods…..you might as well just add that number to the 180,000 human hunters. …..how many deer (on average) does each yote kill during the whole year to add on to the top of our harvest???......
Last edited by CNC; 02/15/18 09:48 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Aldeer Deer Harvest Estimate
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02/15/18 12:08 PM
02/15/18 12:08 PM
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I should have said vehicle related deaths, I bet most are by semis at night, and they never check up.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: Aldeer Deer Harvest Estimate
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02/15/18 06:46 PM
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One buck two does tween me and my boys.
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Re: Aldeer Deer Harvest Estimate
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02/16/18 07:17 AM
02/16/18 07:17 AM
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Alright fellas, voting is now closed.......Here are the final tallies
394 hunters surveyed 322 bucks killed 286 does killed
Bucks killed per hunter 0.82 Does killed per hunter 0.72
Total estimated buck harvest 155,800 Total estimated doe harvest 136,800
Total estimated harvest 292,600
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Aldeer Deer Harvest Estimate
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02/16/18 09:34 AM
02/16/18 09:34 AM
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Good job, CNC. I would think that your final numbers are reasonably close to what actually happened. The number of hunters you used is probably low because you didn't count the unlicensed hunters, but the hunters that are interested enough in deer hunting to post on this forum probably killed more deer than hunters that just go a time or 2, so the errors may balance out and be pretty close. One thing in your survey's favor was that the deer killed per hunter didn't change a whole lot as you got more responses.
So this survey wasn't random and you had less than 400 to participate, and you still got a number very close to what the hunter survey has been showing for years. It was random and got more than 3000 responses, so maybe more folks can understand why I've always thought it should be correct within the standard error.
But the hunter survey method of measuring the deer harvest had no provision for enforcement of limits. Could it be that was the primary purpose of GC and all the talk about better data was just a smokescreen? I honestly can't say for sure, but I am sure the GC numbers are worthless unless most hunters start to participate in it.
Good hunting to all.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Aldeer Deer Harvest Estimate
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02/16/18 10:37 AM
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Thanks PCP!…….. We may still be off but I think we’re at least somewhere in the ballpark. The buck % has been slowly decreasing throughout the survey so if I had to guess I’d say we’re overestimating a little.
We dont rent pigs
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