Y'all seen the one that got kilt in Ol' High Jackson??? The facebook post says it scores 180 and some change.

Nope. Pics?

What fb post?

2dogs???

Wish I knew how to post pics. Monster deer. I wish people would start calling them Paint Rock Valley giants though so people would stop getting the idea that there are bucks like that running around all over the county

I believe it was Madison co.

Ain't no deer in Madison county.

I'm sure someone scored the buck and that's accurate but I would not have guessed 180 inches on that one. I mean he's a giant but I'd have missed that score by a good bit and said 160 or something. It does have some really long main beams.

High fence. Jackson or Madison county can’t grow deer like that.

Pretty sure I know the one you're talkin' bout. 100% free range and legal. Killed in Madison Co. My son and I know the hunter well. I'll be seeing him this evening.

Got alot of stickers on a huge frame.

And some serious tine length.

Just saw it, 5x7. Nice buck. 161 5/8"

We may be talking bout 2 different bucks.

Could be...

Surely the two deer contest scores didn't miss it 20 ".

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Man I gotta get me some land in Jackson county. Huge bucks and more turkeys than anywhere in the state

I'm assuming I see the one ya'll are talking about. It's on Cumberland Mountain Outdoors fb page.

So was the deer Jackson or Madison Co.?

X2 game check numbers don’t lie

This one?...

Harbin scored it around 184", Cumberland Mnt scored it at 180"

Thing is a true stud buck

This is the one I'm referring to. Anyone know if it was killed in Madison or Jackson? I've seen several pages saying Madison. Guess it just depends on which side of the Mnt he was on.. big deer around the county line.

Mighty fine buck deer! Congrats to the Hunter

Here was the one killed in hazel green. Said it scored round 161"

Wow, I don't believe my heart could stand it if that deer walked by!

Ah yes, with the muzzle pointed right at him.

I take $5,000 worth of crap to the woods, and this guy kills a freakamundo stud weating a plaid jacket and using a 30-30.

LMAO but i bet ya don't stare down the barrel of your gun!

Yea no kidding.

I think he's got on ghilly suit bottoms. May of had on the top as well. Probably related to whild bill. I bet this feller snuck right up to this stud buck and knocked it in the back of the head with the butt of that 30-30. Probably done it before since he didn't smile either.

Ol dirty-thirty strikes again!

Sho does! I have one or maybe two in my closet somewhere

Ain’t that the damn truth!!!

What's Facebook???

Dang Travis...IM pretty sure that IS WHILD BILL!

Finally a face to the name. I think ole CM is taking the picture. Dang sanctuary hunters......

in honesty...both those bucks are great! Congrats to both hunters.

Yep, that's my man. I saw some trail cam pics of it a few minutes ago, heart stopping. He said it's very even, dang thing may net BnC.

Kilt in Madison County.

Both very nice deer

Good googly moogly........daggum hosses

Great couple of deer.

Studs. Muzzle in the face stands out quite a bit.

Damn toads both of them.

Both are fine bucks

Funny

Good grief! Those are two fine buck deer! Congratulations to the hunters.

There’s some good looking ag land up there so no wonder Jackson ( PRV ) and Madison counties grow big bucks.

Glad that 30x30 didn’t go off

Yep those are some nice ones

Yep!!

Can't believe that deer didn't know it was being shot by a 30-30. I bet he'd have lived if he did.

If I remember correctly there was a guy last year that shot a nice buck out of Hazel Green as well. I wonder if the genetics have been impacted by the deer that the Garrisons raised. The grandfather let them out a few times. They had a nice buck "Gojo" i think was his name that I believe he let out and they never recovered, along with a number of does.

Either way nice deer for those guys. Way to go.

Yep. Gojo was his name. Had quite a few monsters. They actually got tired of dealing with the deer and just let some of them go (maybe all of them). Let some go up in PRV, too. Not sure if they were suppose to do that or not, but people probably didn't mind at the time. We had some sheds at work from some of the deer that they raised. Very very impressive sheds.

They had a buck escape once and get just "wild" enough to where they couldn't catch him, but he still hung around the farm over off of W.T. Garrison... Long story short- a cousin or employee slipped off over there an "hunted" it. From what David told me the deer scored up around 200". I never seen any pictures and I think this was back in the 90's. (maybe)

Jeremy beat me to it

But yes. I do believe the deer in the area of Bob Wade lane/ Meridianville airport could have been positively impacted. I'm no deer herd geneticist scientist though.

You know deer don't know where property lines are. I'm convinced that many on here think they can read painted trees and No Trespassing signs but I'm pretty sure they can't.

If you want to know where the genetic influence lies look no further than our neighbor to the North. Tennessee. You honestly wouldn't think that Alabama would go purchase deer from somewhere that had big horns and bring them in? No. Not when they could always use the potential disease or low survival rate as a perfectly good excuse. Particularly when you are trying to do the least amount of work possible on the least amount of funding.

Tennessee did not take that approach but they had some help. The US Navy stocked deer at Ft Campbell from Texas and Oklahoma. TWRA stocked Chuck Swan with N. Carolina. The majority of the deer stocked along the border with Alabama were Ft. Campbell deer so genetically they are mostly Texas/Oklahoma Crossed deer. In particular the influence on Madison and Jackson would have been Franklin County, TN up and through the 1960's. They stocked a lot of deer there.

But they didn't stop there. Why would they.... Tennessee is light years ahead of Alabama as far as game management is concerned and always has been. They kept at it up through the 1980's.

At some point in the late 70's early 80's in Marion county they stocked some deer from Wisconsin. They claim there is little to no genetic influence left from the Wisconsin deer but you can decide that for yourself.

They stocked deer from Ft. Campbell around the corner to our farm on a little piece of State owned land. The first deer I ever shot was bigger than most hunters in Alabama will ever see.

It has left me jaded in some respect because there were not that many deer and the season was not open much... so when I hunted in Alabama all we saw were spikes and trash deer. And lots of hunters willing to kill them on sight. So I started my hunting life wondering.... when I see someone that has a bunch of trophies on the wall... I reflect back on my experience and the reality is.. are they that good?... or is it just a target rich environment?

Usually the latter is what I have decided.

And when were these deer released by TN that influenced Eastern Madison and Jackson Counties? My understanding the deer in southern Franklin Co TN were influenced by Alabama deer released on Skyline , not the other way around.

Did these TN deer leap frog the Alabama deer and populate the entire county? Game and Fish has done DNA testing , I've not heard of Northern genes showing up. MOF, there are some native genes in Central Jackson Co. along the river, Chris Cook told me that himself.

The State released deer in I believe '57 on Skyline, those deer disappeared , not to be found. The state believed the whole bunch went north across the state line which was only a few miles away. There were no deer on Skyline, from Alabama or Tennessee , or anywhere else. So they did another release a few years later , those multiplied like rabbits. The first hunt they had on Skyline, a very old buck was shot that was one of the deer released by Alabama the second time.

Sounds like us southern alabama boys and folks from louisiana and florida need to start finding some leases up that way.

I grew up hunting in jackson co, and ive seen some biguns but id trade that rocky mountainous baloney, for some flat land anywhere in the black belt..simply..cause i hate climbin mountains..dunit ma whole life an im bout done with it. If its next to the river or down in the valley ill play ball but other than that yall can have that place..matter o' fact yall can have north alabama, ill take somewhere where spanish moss and palmetto bottoms are..not rocks big as a bus.

Noticed that right off as well.......SMH!!!!

2Dogs - in your area some deer were stocked in the Franklin State Forest but probably more on Arnold AFB and the Wisconsin deer went into Prentice Cooper. That's what my relatives have always said and Grandfather worked for the State part time for the AG dept at that time and farmed full time. They had NO deer through there after the depression and they all talked about it a lot especially when there were enough to start eating crops. There was not much cover between Woods Res and Sewanee I have seen deer trade back and forth through there myself. And that would have been 30 years ago. Our place was closer towards Huntland and they put some deer on the fish hatchery over there off 64 HWY and I have seen with my own 2 eyes deer trade back and forth from there to Elora and go into the mountains on that side I'd say if you saw a good buck at New Hope that would be suspect. Again that was 30-35 years ago.

Look at the deer from Clarke County they stocked on the AL side and look at the deer in the pictures. You can decide for yourself but I got an opinion. I might be wrong but that's what I've seen and have been told. And makes better sense to me looking at the horns.

Those two places are quite a distance from most of Jackson Co. I thought when you said Franklin Co. you meant south of Winchester on Carter Mt. ( Cumberland Mt). Now if TN had released some there they might have influenced Alabama. I'm not buying what you're selling for sure now. If you're talking just 30 years ago Skyline, PRV, eastern Madison, and much of central Jackson was covered up with deer.


You really think deer released in the two areas you cited influenced the two Eastern Madison Co studs posted recently?

Based on what I have seen when you compare the deer killed today with those we killed 30+ years ago.. early 80's when I was hunting all over Jackson Co. I hunted Clear Creek, Jacob's Mtn. Skyline and family property on Maxwell. I'm going to say the TN herd has had some influence.

Whatever you want to believe is fine by me. I could not care less it is just my opinion and I may very well be wrong. If those genetics look like they came from South Alabama to you go with it. They don't to me.

Franklin Forest is at Sherwood and you could roll a wheelchair from Elora, TN into Madison Co. Sewanee is the same bunch of mountains.

I have confirmed one thing though... to have such a strong opinion you sure as hail don't know what you are talking about.

i dont give 2 chits where they came from except that we need more here.

The theory you're laying out and I don't know what I'm talking bout, that's rich. I'll lay this fact out there, bucks are living longer now , they can express their antler traits better. I bet $ y'all didn't kill many 4 YO plus deer on Clear Creek 30 years ago (BTW, those Clear Creek deer were released across the road on the Jones Farm.) Nobody did. Every now and then a stud would live long enough to get big.


The deer released in Jackson came from I believe 3 locations in LA, they didn't live long there either. Do we really know what they would look like with good soil and age? I'd say they are in better Terra now also.

If we're gonna deal in far fetched, outside influence theories , I'll give a couple. Could be native genes, how about Redstone/Wheeler, heck I'll cast a wide net , Bankhead. Or it could be LA genes as stated above, just better chow and age now.

I've been 50 years in the hollers and mountains of PRV Skyline area , bring your wheelchair I'd like to see that show.

Normally I would take 2Dogs at his word and not question it on anything pertaining to Jackson county deer hunting but I think Goatkiller trained under Whild Bill for a few years so I really don’t know which one to believe.

What's not rich is your stubborn logic. The mountain range is shared on both sides of the State line. They stocked both sides. One with S. Alabama Genetics and one with Oklahoma and Texas.

You are killing some toads up in there 40-50 whatever number you want to put on it years later with characteristics that don't appear to me to be typical of S. Alabama deer.

There is no overlap?

I think I know what happened. Before the Internet was readily available the deer must have been using Google Maps. That way they would know exactly where the State line was. After all AL Gore was from TN AND he invented the Internet. I'm pretty sure I've stumbled on to something here.

BrentM I'm going to put you on investigative duty we need to talk to some of the older deer and see if any of them ever heard of this.

I'ma just go ahead and say 2Dogs on this one.

I can tell you this much for sure....... the deer on the huntland/Elora side of the plateau sure don’t act like the deer on this side of the plateau in terms of when they rut or their fear of daylight. I think there are more big deer per capita killed on that side too.

I'm sure the hell glad I'm a flatlander. That's all

Nobody cares where these little fellers we hunt down here came from.

In case y'all were wondering if I was just making this up....

We are too!

Well Goatkiller, looks like your Northern gene via Franklin TN State Forest or Arnold AFB, down in the New Market AL area just got a little hole shot in it. I'll give you this though, you can spot a TN deer.

He was right, that deer sure enough had TN influences.