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#2368772 - 01/12/18 11:27 AM Maintaining thick areas on a property
Remington270 Offline
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Registered: 11/09/11
Posts: 12406
Loc: Tupelo, MS
Is burning the best way of keeping thick stuff thick? I've got some good bedding areas and want to keep them that way as long as I can. It's mainly pine regeneration.

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#2368829 - 01/12/18 11:49 AM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
jlbuc10 Offline
14 point

Registered: 11/04/10
Posts: 8262
Loc: Auburn
Burn would thin it I'd imagine. Natural regen that I've seen stays thick enough for bedding 20-30 years

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#2368864 - 01/12/18 12:12 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
blumsden Offline
10 point

Registered: 06/14/13
Posts: 4064
Loc: Jacksonville, Alabama
Unless it's longleaf pine, burning would kill off the pine, but maybe that's what your wanting to do. I like thick briars and grasses that get good sunlight. Pines will choke it out eventually, especially volunteer pines.

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#2368912 - 01/12/18 12:38 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: blumsden]
Remington270 Offline
Booner

Registered: 11/09/11
Posts: 12406
Loc: Tupelo, MS
Originally Posted By: blumsden
Unless it's longleaf pine, burning would kill off the pine, but maybe that's what your wanting to do. I like thick briars and grasses that get good sunlight. Pines will choke it out eventually, especially volunteer pines.


I'm wanting whatever deer want. I think the thicker the better, for the spots I don't plant or bushhog.

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#2369004 - 01/12/18 01:31 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
globe Offline
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Registered: 12/30/02
Posts: 6655
Loc: Kennedy, al
FYI, I have an area in the 7-10 acre range that when I clear it, my plan is to cut several shooting/fire lanes through it and keep it burned. Maybe rotate the burned area based on need at the time. Its good now, but will be prime bedding one day hopefully. I hope i can kill every pine and gum on it! Imo bedding is more important than food to a buck. I'd love to hear other opinions!!!!
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#2369039 - 01/12/18 01:56 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
NightHunter Offline
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Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 6188
Loc: Holly Pond, AL
Depends on the density of the pines. If you get a hot fire, you'll kill some pines and open up the canopy and produce more early successional habitat.

If the pines are thick and relatively tall creating lots of shade, you may not be able to get a fire hot enough to reach your desired objective.

You can always go in and selectively remove trees with chemicals or a saw, opening up the canopy and then burning.

If the pines are open and you have plenty of fuel, run a backing fire through it and you'll have plenty of cover come summertime.

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#2369045 - 01/12/18 01:58 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
CNC Offline
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Loc: Macon Co
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#2369060 - 01/12/18 02:05 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
NightHunter Offline
10 point

Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 6188
Loc: Holly Pond, AL
LOL... Sounds like Matt Brock before a burn starts

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#2369108 - 01/12/18 02:44 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
AUwrestler Offline
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Registered: 02/02/14
Posts: 905
Loc: Owens Xrds
Hinge cutting lets in light for natural browse and provides thick over head cover as well as screening. Alsi bring a lot of food down to deer level. Cheapest and fast way to improve habitat.
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#2369139 - 01/12/18 03:07 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
Grant_UAB Offline
4 point

Registered: 11/06/17
Posts: 261
Loc: Bessemer, Al
If you can't burn to do leasing, would opening up the canopy still be beneficial? Obviously pines are off limits, but there are a lot of scrub trees around that I could cut to expose the forest floor.
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#2369154 - 01/12/18 03:22 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
mike35549 Offline
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Registered: 12/25/09
Posts: 3219
Loc: Land of the free because of th...
I never hunted anywhere in Alabama where I needed more thick areas always the other way around.
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#2369155 - 01/12/18 03:22 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Grant_UAB]
NightHunter Offline
10 point

Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 6188
Loc: Holly Pond, AL
Originally Posted By: Grant_UAB
If you can't burn to do leasing, would opening up the canopy still be beneficial? Obviously pines are off limits, but there are a lot of scrub trees around that I could cut to expose the forest floor.


Yes, then if possible, disturb the soil some. It's not a necessity but it does help.

I'll pm you info on a field day we are having in March. It is going to be on this exact topic. How to improve things for wildlife in industrial pines. It will have classroom info and field tours.

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#2369159 - 01/12/18 03:26 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: mike35549]
Remington270 Offline
Booner

Registered: 11/09/11
Posts: 12406
Loc: Tupelo, MS
Originally Posted By: mike35549
I never hunted anywhere in Alabama where I needed more thick areas always the other way around.


10 years ago on our Alabama land, we had nothing but mature hardwood timber, and middle-stage pines. It didn't hold many deer at all. Getting it thicker changed all that. We're doing better now.

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#2369229 - 01/12/18 04:33 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: NightHunter]
Grant_UAB Offline
4 point

Registered: 11/06/17
Posts: 261
Loc: Bessemer, Al
Sweet, looking forward to it.
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#2369249 - 01/12/18 04:59 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Grant_UAB]
poorcountrypreacher Offline
14 point

Registered: 02/05/03
Posts: 8249
Loc: Sylacauga, AL
I think you will find it difficult to kill all the volunteer loblolly with nothing but fire. I've got one area that I have burned 8 times in the past 12 years. There were several log landings on it that were just solid small pines when I started the burning program and they all still have solid stands of small pines. The fire thinned them out and the ones remaining have gotten bigger, but I haven't been able to kill them all. I think you will need to have a really hot fire during the growing season to wipe out all of them.

I have another area of about 5 acres that was clearcut in 1999 and grew up in a really thick stand of volunteer loblolly. I thinned the stand with a dozer and a chainsaw, but the stand is still thicker than it should be. I've run several hot fires through it over the past 5 years and the ground under it is very open now. It used to be great bedding for deer, but not now. Even if I hadn't thinned it, the understory would still be open now due to the fire and the shading by the trees. Of course, I wanted it to be open and wasn't concerned with deer bedding, but I think the same thing would happen on your spot if you just cool season fire.

To keep it good bedding, you either need to do like NH said and use herbicide, or you need to run a really hot fire through it during the growing season every few years. If you don't kill the trees, they are eventually gonna get big enough to start shading the ground and killing your good cover plants.

Good luck with it.
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#2369261 - 01/12/18 05:14 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: NightHunter]
AUwrestler Offline
6 point

Registered: 02/02/14
Posts: 905
Loc: Owens Xrds

Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Originally Posted By: Grant_UAB
If you can't burn to do leasing, would opening up the canopy still be beneficial? Obviously pines are off limits, but there are a lot of scrub trees around that I could cut to expose the forest floor.


Yes, then if possible, disturb the soil some. It's not a necessity but it does help.

I'll pm you info on a field day we are having in March. It is going to be on this exact topic. How to improve things for wildlife in industrial pines. It will have classroom info and field tours.
sign me up.
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#2369274 - 01/12/18 05:29 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
ridgestalker Offline
12 point

Registered: 01/09/12
Posts: 6211
Loc: North Jackson
The place I hunt began getting cut when I started hunting it about 16 yrs ago.It was all mature hardwood Mtn timber.The first 12 or so years were awesome and we would hunt the cutovers that were cut the year before.The entire place was finished up about 4 yrs ago.The cutovers that are in the 10-15 yr old range are a wasteland now.They grew mostly back in gum,sumac and other soft woods. They have gotten to the point of shading out all the under growth and it's amazing how bad the hunting is compared to what it use to be.The land owner would never consider fire or anything due to the liability and difficulty of burning mountain land.This entire property is a couple of years away from being good for nothing and regeneration of hardwoods is poor at best.This is a big tract of land that is basically unfixable.


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#2369299 - 01/12/18 05:45 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
hallb Offline
10 point

Registered: 02/15/11
Posts: 3672
Loc: Milton, FL hunt in Georgia
Read up on the Whild Bill sanctuary method it's the only way to go.

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#2369407 - 01/12/18 07:25 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: NightHunter]
2Dogs Offline
Old Mossy Horns

Registered: 07/14/11
Posts: 19454
Loc: Boxes Cove
Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Originally Posted By: Grant_UAB
If you can't burn to do leasing, would opening up the canopy still be beneficial? Obviously pines are off limits, but there are a lot of scrub trees around that I could cut to expose the forest floor.


Yes, then if possible, disturb the soil some. It's not a necessity but it does help.



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#2369411 - 01/12/18 07:30 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: NightHunter]
CNC Offline
14 point

Registered: 06/21/12
Posts: 7572
Loc: Macon Co
Originally Posted By: NightHunter
LOL... Sounds like Matt Brock before a burn starts


I think I'm a pyro too.....I like it just a little too much. grin
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#2369419 - 01/12/18 07:35 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: CNC]
jbc Offline
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Registered: 09/01/15
Posts: 8363
Loc: Montgomery, AL
Originally Posted By: CNC
Originally Posted By: NightHunter
LOL... Sounds like Matt Brock before a burn starts


I think I'm a pyro too.....I like it just a little too much. grin


Itís one of my favorite hobbies

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#2369420 - 01/12/18 07:36 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: NightHunter]
joshm28 Offline
10 point

Registered: 12/07/09
Posts: 4578
Loc: Jasper, AL
Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Originally Posted By: Grant_UAB
If you can't burn to do leasing, would opening up the canopy still be beneficial? Obviously pines are off limits, but there are a lot of scrub trees around that I could cut to expose the forest floor.


Yes, then if possible, disturb the soil some. It's not a necessity but it does help.

I'll pm you info on a field day we are having in March. It is going to be on this exact topic. How to improve things for wildlife in industrial pines. It will have classroom info and field tours.


You or Matt one please let me know the dates.

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#2369439 - 01/12/18 07:51 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: joshm28]
MS_Hunter Offline
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Registered: 06/28/12
Posts: 3775
Loc: Biloxi,MS
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#2369446 - 01/12/18 07:56 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: Remington270]
NightHunter Offline
10 point

Registered: 09/25/07
Posts: 6188
Loc: Holly Pond, AL
I will put out information on it next week. I am putting together a speaking lineup now. Just donít want to advertise here since we donít pay.

Iíll contact you directly so you can sign up.

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#2369478 - 01/12/18 08:22 PM Re: Maintaining thick areas on a property [Re: NightHunter]
mike35549 Offline
10 point

Registered: 12/25/09
Posts: 3219
Loc: Land of the free because of th...
Originally Posted By: NightHunter
I will put out information on it next week. I am putting together a speaking lineup now. Just donít want to advertise here since we donít pay.

Iíll contact you directly so you can sign up.


Where are you going to have this field day. Sounds interesting.
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