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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: !shiloh!] #2339295
12/20/17 05:55 PM
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All I'm saying is if the state owns it then it should be open to anyone and not just the people that get drawn. It'll turn into that gator hunt b.s. before long. Same people drawn every year


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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: !shiloh!] #2339323
12/20/17 06:21 PM
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2Dogs too late cause they or the state bought more that connects to us this year

Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: !shiloh!] #2339627
12/21/17 05:39 AM
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This makes the 2nd good hog killing property I have lost to FW. And I am still for the program.

Ole Nick and I killed 19 one night on Hit and Miss.


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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: Beadlescomb] #2339675
12/21/17 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted By: Beadlescomb
All I'm saying is if the state owns it then it should be open to anyone and not just the people that get drawn. It'll turn into that gator hunt b.s. before long. Same people drawn every year


I whole heartedly agree with limiting the access. That is what made that property special, to do otherwise would reduce it back to average for this area.

To allow as many to enjoy it as possible, I would also like to see them look at some of the western state's hunting draws. A bonus point system to increase the odds for the next draw for those not drawn this go around. Or, if you are drawn and score, you are not eligible for the draw for two or three years. If you draw and don't kill one you have to sit out a year. Or, a combination of the two.

Bottom line...I would like to see the hunting limited and yet the opportunities available for as many different people as possible with the strong emphasis on different.


Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: !shiloh!] #2339980
12/21/17 10:50 AM
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Yep the Jackson county land lot of good hunting with no access unless you live beside it or above it or have poaching ways

Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: !shiloh!] #2339985
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Yep the Jackson county land lot of good hunting with no access unless you live beside it or above it or have poaching ways

Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: !shiloh!] #2340124
12/21/17 12:09 PM
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same in Colbert county


Bunch of land not being hunted that used to be leased and enjoyed


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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: Standbanger] #2340175
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Originally Posted By: Standbanger
Yep the Jackson county land lot of good hunting with no access unless you live beside it or above it or have poaching ways


No access? To where?


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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: 2Dogs] #2340184
12/21/17 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Good for LA. I hope they don't buy another square foot in Jackson Co.


The Coosa co commission has told them to quit buying land in Coosa co. They've only bought a little over 10,000 acres that is part of the WMA, but the commission is complaining about the lost tax revenue. What I don't understand is that is some of the worst land in the state and was taxed at the lowest rate. It didn't bring in enough money to even pay one commissioner salary.



I heard that FW was gonna buy another 10,000 acres but backed out. So now that land is out of the WMA and leased to a club. Yet the county tries to promote itself as a great place for outdoor recreation. It can't be that if there is no access. I used to float Weogufka creek often, but now all the gates are locked.


If you're a timber land owner in those counties, you'll figure out quick where the tax shortfall from FW is coming from.


I do own timber land in Coosa Co and the FW purchase had no effect on my taxes at all.


When it hit's Coosa Co. they are losing tax $ and FW is paying 2-3 times the worth of land, the tax collector will come calling. wink


They cannot pay more than appraised value. They may be paying 2-3 time more than what Bubba or Johnny are willing to pay but an appraisal is done and they cannot pay more per acre than that.

Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: Beadlescomb] #2340274
12/21/17 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted By: Beadlescomb
Wish I had voted against forever wild now that this soa crap is starting up

Me too! I can’t believe the people that think these SOAs are a good thing.

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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: ElkHunter] #2340297
12/21/17 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
This makes the 2nd good hog killing property I have lost to FW. And I am still for the program.

Ole Nick and I killed 19 one night on Hit and Miss.

My wife as sho nuff pregnant and ask me to come home that evening. sure hate I missed that night !

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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: Beadlescomb] #2340313
12/21/17 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted By: Beadlescomb
All I'm saying is if the state owns it then it should be open to anyone and not just the people that get drawn. It'll turn into that gator hunt b.s. before long. Same people drawn every year

^^^^
That’s what I’ve been saying.


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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: therealhojo] #2340385
12/21/17 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted By: therealhojo

Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Good for LA. I hope they don't buy another square foot in Jackson Co.


The Coosa co commission has told them to quit buying land in Coosa co. They've only bought a little over 10,000 acres that is part of the WMA, but the commission is complaining about the lost tax revenue. What I don't understand is that is some of the worst land in the state and was taxed at the lowest rate. It didn't bring in enough money to even pay one commissioner salary.



I heard that FW was gonna buy another 10,000 acres but backed out. So now that land is out of the WMA and leased to a club. Yet the county tries to promote itself as a great place for outdoor recreation. It can't be that if there is no access. I used to float Weogufka creek often, but now all the gates are locked.


If you're a timber land owner in those counties, you'll figure out quick where the tax shortfall from FW is coming from.


I do own timber land in Coosa Co and the FW purchase had no effect on my taxes at all.


When it hit's Coosa Co. they are losing tax $ and FW is paying 2-3 times the worth of land, the tax collector will come calling. wink


They cannot pay more than appraised value. They may be paying 2-3 time more than what Bubba or Johnny are willing to pay but an appraisal is done and they cannot pay more per acre than that.


And who does the apprrasels ? FW has been driving the prices up here for 25 years.



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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: !shiloh!] #2340407
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I don't know personally but any appraiser in Alabama has to be licensed. Just like when you buy a house or any property that is financed the bank requires it to be appraised. The reason for the appraisal here is to prevent them from overpaying. They might be driving prices up to some degree but there has to be comps in the surrounding area. It use to be easy to fudge the numbers back before 2007. Now it's not so easy.

I thought everyone wanted higher property values? I know I do. I love it when someone comes in my area and causes property values to go up. That means mine is worth more--right? If I paid $1000 an acre and 10 years later the surrounding property is selling at $2000 an acre I've made money. Right? Or at least that what the accountants tell me.

And there are usually 2 values. The dirt and the timber.

I've never heard anyone complain. "You're making my property worth too much!"

Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: therealhojo] #2340530
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There's plenty of folks that don't give a hoot if their property value goes up. Im one, if you know you will not sell in your lifetime why would you want your taxes to go up? I don't.

As far as comps, FW is the comps. FW pays premium prices for land that has been clear cut.
The county rev commish knows it.
The latest large timber land sale is a big $ pyramid to Jack up prices to get Guv favors. Might be a big news story soon.

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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: !shiloh!] #2340548
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Again there are 2 prices, dirt and timber. The dirt is valued at X the timber is valued at Y. That is the way 99% of all large tracts are bought.

I'm glad you don't want your property to go up. I and almost every person I know wants their property to increase. Ever notice when a developer comes in that the first thing the community folk scream is "It's going to make our property value go down." That's a strange theory you have.

Might-- that's funny.

Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: therealhojo] #2340851
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Originally Posted By: therealhojo
Again there are 2 prices, dirt and timber. The dirt is valued at X the timber is valued at Y. That is the way 99% of all large tracts are bought.

I'm glad you don't want your property to go up. I and almost every person I know wants their property to increase. Ever notice when a developer comes in that the first thing the community folk scream is "It's going to make our property value go down." That's a strange theory you have.

Might-- that's funny.


The story I posted about "might" be a news story is not FW. It's private company buying land and turning it into a endanger species refuge and getting federal $. Call the Jackson Co. Revenue commish, he can tell ya bout it. Sounds like something the Clintons might be into. What this has to do with FW is using it for comps.

Plenty of folks don't want their taxes to go up, that usually means value increased. Once again , if you have no intention of selling in your lifetime . FW doesn't develop anyway, not a lot of development going on way up in these mountains. Not gonna be any development on my place long as I'm alive either. smile



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Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: !shiloh!] #2340981
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Sounds like you are talking about a conservation easement. If that's what it is, you don't get cash, you get tax incentives moving forward for the amount that you could have made if developed. If you can pull it off, it's a great program. There are limits in what the land can be used for though. We have looked into it. It takes the right property. It really caught on after the house collapse.

Re: New forever wild land purchase [Re: therealhojo] #2341026
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Originally Posted By: therealhojo
Sounds like you are talking about a conservation easement. If that's what it is, you don't get cash, you get tax incentives moving forward for the amount that you could have made if developed. If you can pull it off, it's a great program. There are limits in what the land can be used for though. We have looked into it. It takes the right property. It really caught on after the house collapse.


The one the revenue commish told me about, company A bought some rough timber land for 1k per acre, they sold it to company B for 5k per acre, but company x owns both a & b. Somehow feds use it for a endangered species refuge and company x reaps some huge benefit. Sounds like a Clinton deal. The commish refuses to use it to value property because it's totally unreasonable. The appraiser for FW might like it, they have a history of paying the highest price for their dirt in Jackson Co.

Word is there is something brewing over the tax loss,some state reps have been getting facts and figures from the revenue office.



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That's like a conservation easement. It's a great way to avoid paying taxes to the government.

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