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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: !shiloh!]
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12/20/17 05:55 PM
12/20/17 05:55 PM
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Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 15,982 Brierfield
Beadlescomb
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Brierfield
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All I'm saying is if the state owns it then it should be open to anyone and not just the people that get drawn. It'll turn into that gator hunt b.s. before long. Same people drawn every year
We will burn that bridge when we get there
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: !shiloh!]
#2339627
12/21/17 05:39 AM
12/21/17 05:39 AM
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 11,347 Prattville AL
ElkHunter
Booner
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This makes the 2nd good hog killing property I have lost to FW. And I am still for the program.
Ole Nick and I killed 19 one night on Hit and Miss.
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: Beadlescomb]
#2339675
12/21/17 06:18 AM
12/21/17 06:18 AM
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Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 25,776 Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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All I'm saying is if the state owns it then it should be open to anyone and not just the people that get drawn. It'll turn into that gator hunt b.s. before long. Same people drawn every year I whole heartedly agree with limiting the access. That is what made that property special, to do otherwise would reduce it back to average for this area. To allow as many to enjoy it as possible, I would also like to see them look at some of the western state's hunting draws. A bonus point system to increase the odds for the next draw for those not drawn this go around. Or, if you are drawn and score, you are not eligible for the draw for two or three years. If you draw and don't kill one you have to sit out a year. Or, a combination of the two. Bottom line...I would like to see the hunting limited and yet the opportunities available for as many different people as possible with the strong emphasis on different.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: !shiloh!]
#2340124
12/21/17 12:09 PM
12/21/17 12:09 PM
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Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,168 Florence, Al
AlabamaSwamper
10 point
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10 point
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Posts: 4,168
Florence, Al
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same in Colbert county
Bunch of land not being hunted that used to be leased and enjoyed
BTR Scorer in NW Alabama
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: Standbanger]
#2340175
12/21/17 12:47 PM
12/21/17 12:47 PM
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Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 10,416 Scottsboro, Al
jbatey1
Lucky Bastage
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Lucky Bastage
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Yep the Jackson county land lot of good hunting with no access unless you live beside it or above it or have poaching ways No access? To where?
The fool tells me his reasons; the wise man persuades me with my own.
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: 2Dogs]
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12/21/17 12:57 PM
12/21/17 12:57 PM
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Posts: 2,021 AL
therealhojo
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Good for LA. I hope they don't buy another square foot in Jackson Co. The Coosa co commission has told them to quit buying land in Coosa co. They've only bought a little over 10,000 acres that is part of the WMA, but the commission is complaining about the lost tax revenue. What I don't understand is that is some of the worst land in the state and was taxed at the lowest rate. It didn't bring in enough money to even pay one commissioner salary. I heard that FW was gonna buy another 10,000 acres but backed out. So now that land is out of the WMA and leased to a club. Yet the county tries to promote itself as a great place for outdoor recreation. It can't be that if there is no access. I used to float Weogufka creek often, but now all the gates are locked. If you're a timber land owner in those counties, you'll figure out quick where the tax shortfall from FW is coming from. I do own timber land in Coosa Co and the FW purchase had no effect on my taxes at all. When it hit's Coosa Co. they are losing tax $ and FW is paying 2-3 times the worth of land, the tax collector will come calling. They cannot pay more than appraised value. They may be paying 2-3 time more than what Bubba or Johnny are willing to pay but an appraisal is done and they cannot pay more per acre than that.
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: Beadlescomb]
#2340274
12/21/17 02:25 PM
12/21/17 02:25 PM
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Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 150 Mobile,AL
ericbowhunter
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Mobile,AL
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Wish I had voted against forever wild now that this soa crap is starting up Me too! I can’t believe the people that think these SOAs are a good thing.
Last edited by ericbowhunter; 12/21/17 02:26 PM.
nocked ,locked, and ready to rock!
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: ElkHunter]
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12/21/17 02:37 PM
12/21/17 02:37 PM
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Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 8,938 Between the coosa and cahaba
!shiloh!
OP
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OP
14 point
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Posts: 8,938
Between the coosa and cahaba
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This makes the 2nd good hog killing property I have lost to FW. And I am still for the program.
Ole Nick and I killed 19 one night on Hit and Miss. My wife as sho nuff pregnant and ask me to come home that evening. sure hate I missed that night !
Last edited by mandeerpig; 12/21/17 02:38 PM.
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: Beadlescomb]
#2340313
12/21/17 02:47 PM
12/21/17 02:47 PM
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Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 150 Mobile,AL
ericbowhunter
3 point
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3 point
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All I'm saying is if the state owns it then it should be open to anyone and not just the people that get drawn. It'll turn into that gator hunt b.s. before long. Same people drawn every year ^^^^ That’s what I’ve been saying.
nocked ,locked, and ready to rock!
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: therealhojo]
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12/21/17 03:31 PM
12/21/17 03:31 PM
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Posts: 34,457 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Good for LA. I hope they don't buy another square foot in Jackson Co. The Coosa co commission has told them to quit buying land in Coosa co. They've only bought a little over 10,000 acres that is part of the WMA, but the commission is complaining about the lost tax revenue. What I don't understand is that is some of the worst land in the state and was taxed at the lowest rate. It didn't bring in enough money to even pay one commissioner salary. I heard that FW was gonna buy another 10,000 acres but backed out. So now that land is out of the WMA and leased to a club. Yet the county tries to promote itself as a great place for outdoor recreation. It can't be that if there is no access. I used to float Weogufka creek often, but now all the gates are locked. If you're a timber land owner in those counties, you'll figure out quick where the tax shortfall from FW is coming from. I do own timber land in Coosa Co and the FW purchase had no effect on my taxes at all. When it hit's Coosa Co. they are losing tax $ and FW is paying 2-3 times the worth of land, the tax collector will come calling. They cannot pay more than appraised value. They may be paying 2-3 time more than what Bubba or Johnny are willing to pay but an appraisal is done and they cannot pay more per acre than that. And who does the apprrasels ? FW has been driving the prices up here for 25 years.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: therealhojo]
#2340530
12/21/17 05:36 PM
12/21/17 05:36 PM
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Posts: 34,457 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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There's plenty of folks that don't give a hoot if their property value goes up. Im one, if you know you will not sell in your lifetime why would you want your taxes to go up? I don't.
As far as comps, FW is the comps. FW pays premium prices for land that has been clear cut. The county rev commish knows it. The latest large timber land sale is a big $ pyramid to Jack up prices to get Guv favors. Might be a big news story soon.
Last edited by 2Dogs; 12/21/17 05:46 PM.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: therealhojo]
#2340851
12/22/17 04:47 AM
12/22/17 04:47 AM
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Posts: 34,457 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Again there are 2 prices, dirt and timber. The dirt is valued at X the timber is valued at Y. That is the way 99% of all large tracts are bought.
I'm glad you don't want your property to go up. I and almost every person I know wants their property to increase. Ever notice when a developer comes in that the first thing the community folk scream is "It's going to make our property value go down." That's a strange theory you have.
Might-- that's funny. The story I posted about "might" be a news story is not FW. It's private company buying land and turning it into a endanger species refuge and getting federal $. Call the Jackson Co. Revenue commish, he can tell ya bout it. Sounds like something the Clintons might be into. What this has to do with FW is using it for comps. Plenty of folks don't want their taxes to go up, that usually means value increased. Once again , if you have no intention of selling in your lifetime . FW doesn't develop anyway, not a lot of development going on way up in these mountains. Not gonna be any development on my place long as I'm alive either.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: New forever wild land purchase
[Re: therealhojo]
#2341026
12/22/17 06:40 AM
12/22/17 06:40 AM
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Posts: 34,457 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Sounds like you are talking about a conservation easement. If that's what it is, you don't get cash, you get tax incentives moving forward for the amount that you could have made if developed. If you can pull it off, it's a great program. There are limits in what the land can be used for though. We have looked into it. It takes the right property. It really caught on after the house collapse. The one the revenue commish told me about, company A bought some rough timber land for 1k per acre, they sold it to company B for 5k per acre, but company x owns both a & b. Somehow feds use it for a endangered species refuge and company x reaps some huge benefit. Sounds like a Clinton deal. The commish refuses to use it to value property because it's totally unreasonable. The appraiser for FW might like it, they have a history of paying the highest price for their dirt in Jackson Co. Word is there is something brewing over the tax loss,some state reps have been getting facts and figures from the revenue office.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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