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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: outdoors1]
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12/19/17 01:12 PM
12/19/17 01:12 PM
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t123winters
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Ever noticed some areas have more deer than others. WMA's or private land may have one person shooting a lot of bucks instead of letting a few go just because they can go anytime. If there is 50k acres maybe 10k may hold good bucks. Once those few are killed on the hard to access small areas you have none to expand on the other 40k acres. Just a good reason why harvesting every mature buck is just not good management if you are going for more 4-5 year old deer whether on private or public land. Some areas just won't allow it. It is just not by antler restrictions it is individual restraint on the trigger whether by bow or gun. You can't over kill mature bucks!!! Shooting mature bucks only is the only way to guarantee that you will always have mature bucks to shoot!
I would rather be turkey hunting
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/19/17 01:23 PM
12/19/17 01:23 PM
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centralala
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Managed pine plantations support higher deer pops than anything in the south. But there lies the problem. Most pine plantations around me owned by individuals are properly managed. But corporate owned plantations are only managed for the trees only, not to include wildlife. Around me, those plantations make up the vast majority of leases. Hunters are very limited in their efforts here.
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: NightHunter]
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12/19/17 01:34 PM
12/19/17 01:34 PM
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bigt
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Deer hunting used to be fun.
It was absolutely fun - when you could only kill a doe for about 2 days with a rifle. I hate to admit that, because I was brainwashed about doe management being a viable option on a statewide level. It doesnt work for the majority. Maybe for the minority. The entire state had to take on the consequences of unlimited doe harvest to satisfy the needs of the minority. Totally agree. Chuck Sykes and a few other wealthy black belt landowers with heavily managed property had an overpopulation problem so they opened up unlimited doe killing to the whole state. Any farmer can tell you what happens to a herd after about 5 years if you have a big predator problem and also butcher just as many females as you do males. You won't have a herd after very long. I have yet to see a single place in this state with the so called mythical "browse line" that indicates overpopulation. I honestly believe the State Biologists thought they were doing the right thing at the time when they put limits in place to allow the wholesale slaughter of the does in this State, but in my humble opinion they were dead wrong and have waited way too long to start backing off of the doe harvests. Had you rather us not change it now? There's plenty on here who would agree that the open season mentality should continue. As a small landowner it would be nice if it was changed so that maybe my grandkids could actually hunt deer with the legitimate hope of seeing deer on the 96 acres I live on, but as a hunter I have given up on the State to make any reasonable limits on does in any reasonable time. Therefore I have managed my lease in my own way and after almost a decade of almost no does being killed we finally are starting to get back to having a decent population, but I started driving almost 8 hours so I could hunt somewhere I could consistently see deer while I hunt. Notice I didnt say kill because for me actually seeing deer is more important than actually killing deer for me at this stage.
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: 2Dogs]
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12/19/17 01:35 PM
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Antler restrictions are selfish. Yea I don't like the idea either
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/19/17 01:37 PM
12/19/17 01:37 PM
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bigt
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Managed pine plantations support higher deer pops than anything in the south. I dont know how many times this has to be said before people start believing it lol
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: bigt]
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12/19/17 02:18 PM
12/19/17 02:18 PM
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2Dogs
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Managed pine plantations support higher deer pops than anything in the south. I dont know how many times this has to be said before people start believing it lol Agree, I don't know where folks get the idee that Jackson Co. has a bunch of deer, we have hardwoods.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/19/17 04:24 PM
12/19/17 04:24 PM
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Of course it'll happen. Just a matter of time.
Deer hunting used to be fun.
Ha. Yep. They have antler restrictions in MS. But it's stupid because you can still kill most 1.5 year olds. Can't kill spikes, but also can't kill some old deer with real crappy racks. More rules isn't always better. The overwhelming majority of 1.5 year old bucks in Alabama will not meet the criteria to be legal in MS. I would bet 95% or better would not. MS AR protects nearly 100% of 1.5 year old bucks and a substantial amount of 2.5 as well. I've been watching their buck harvest estimates and they generally lead the country on the percentage of 3+ bucks killed each year. That is about what I figured.
Last edited by mike35549; 12/19/17 04:25 PM.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: Beadlescomb]
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12/21/17 02:11 AM
12/21/17 02:11 AM
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41/2 year old and better statewide or cull bucks! Suit me fine!!!!! Get sick and tired of seeing little young bucks killed. Everyone wants an opportunity at nice deer and get excited when they see others killing good deer. Well most of those consistently killing good deer are more n likely on a good management plan where they hunt. If everyone would get on board statewide, how sweet would that be to see lots of nice bucks on a consistent basis. I just dont get it !
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: ALclearcut]
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12/21/17 03:26 AM
12/21/17 03:26 AM
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I hate to keep harping on the doe killing and low numbers, but the bucks are only going to get smaller if the deer numbers stay this low. When you hunt almost every weekend and see 2 or 3 deer in a season, well that hunter is probably going to kill anything he sees, regardless of whether it's a 4 point. The hunters who see 10+ deer every hunt will never understand what the rest of us are talking about. They won't understand if they have never hunted in those places where there are very few deer. I have hunted in those places. I won't ever do it again, if the only places I could hunt or afford to hunt was those places I would just quit and fish year round.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: wild]
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12/21/17 06:37 AM
12/21/17 06:37 AM
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All good with antler restrictions except for youth/ first time hunters. X 2. We don't have written restrictions where I hunt. The landowner makes the rules, as he should. The unwritten rules for bucks are if you've never killed a buck before, the first one is your choice, but we encourage it to not be a spike. Not because we have a problem with them killing a spike, but that ruins your shot at a better buck. For experienced guests we say something that you want to mount. For super experienced and knowledgeable guests, and ourselves that regularly hunt it, we can just tell them 3.5-4.5 and older. For those just wanting meat, does are plentiful. Antler restrictions work. They have for us anyways. I'll let the biologists debate about how well it would work statewide, but I can't see it as a bad thing. How has it worked out in Bullock County? Wasn't that supposed to be the experiment to determine if it should be expanded?
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: Beadlescomb]
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12/21/17 06:54 AM
12/21/17 06:54 AM
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Clem
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I'm never surprised at the number of "conservatives" who are for more government rules and regulations when it suits them, i.e. for deer hunting so "everyone" can hunt the same way.
"Drain the swamp!" conservatives who supposedly want to live their own lives are happy telling everyone else how to hunt. SMDH
Last edited by Clem; 12/21/17 07:08 AM.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: Clem]
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12/21/17 07:10 AM
12/21/17 07:10 AM
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I'm never surprised at the number of "conservatives" who are for more government rules and regulations when it suits them, i.e. for deer hunting so "everyone" can hunt the same way.
"Drain the swamp!" conservatives who supposedly want to live their own lives are happy telling everyone else how to hunt. SMDH Well, you do make an interesting point if nothing else.
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: Beadlescomb]
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12/21/17 07:39 AM
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Clem
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If you don't want to shoot small bucks or bucks with basket racks or 2-points on one side or whatever, don't do it.
Mandating something so "everyone can shoot a big buck because 'everyone' wants to!" is idiotic, though. And wrong. Prove that biologically in wild herds it is beneficial and that's fine IF that's what the public wants - and not just a tiny fraction of the most squeaky-wheel moneyed connected public.
This is what often is said: "We're hearing from the public that they want more opportunities for mature bucks and so we're implementing this now."
This is what should be said: "We're hearing from a wide range of hunters for and against, but because "mature bucks" generate money, tourism and license sales not to mention sales of gear and "deer corn" and whatnot, we're going to go with the comments of those hunters in favor of more restrictions and QDM mentality over the everyday hunter who isn't "avid" and, well, really isn't part of the equation."
Because that's what the perception is by many.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Statewide antler restrictions
[Re: roltide]
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12/21/17 08:18 AM
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41/2 year old and better statewide or cull bucks! Suit me fine!!!!! Get sick and tired of seeing little young bucks killed. Everyone wants an opportunity at nice deer and get excited when they see others killing good deer. Well most of those consistently killing good deer are more n likely on a good management plan where they hunt. If everyone would get on board statewide, how sweet would that be to see lots of nice bucks on a consistent basis. I just dont get it ! Agreed
Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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