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Re: If you wrote in [Re: NWALJM] #2329624
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Originally Posted By: NWALJM
I did not vote yesterday. I'm sure plenty here feel that is the worst thing a person could do, and I understand that. I used to feel that way too. But here's why I did not vote. First of all, I am a Christian and I hold to the convictions of my faith strongly. I have never believed that Roy Moore's antics (going back to the 10 Commandments issue) were rooted in his deep commitment to his faith or his convictions. I have always believed it was grand-standing for political gain. Doing that is essentially whoring out Christianity for your own needs, wants, or desires. Even before all of the alleged stuff with being a creep toward teen girls years ago, I did not feel good about voting for him.

Doug Jones, it is very simple. The man is running for office for a party that openly embraces murder of unborn children, and he himself supports it. I will not ever vote for a candidate that is tied to that.

So, I was left with choosing to vote between 2 candidates who both violated my faith-based convictions or writing in a candidate, which is waste of time. I believe that holding strongly to my convictions is more honorable than going to place a vote for someone who violates them. I understand that men have fought and died in battle over the centuries to preserve our way of life that includes freedom to vote that some nations do not have. I'm sure those same men did not also wish to fight and die so that their fellow countrymen years later would have to decide between candidates that both violate their consciences and convictions.

I will also add, that I will NEVER vote for someone who violates my convictions just to push a political party through. If the Republicans want my vote, stop putting terrible candidates out. That's my message.



This is how I feel as well, as I've posted more than once. Some "get it", some don't. Neither side will ever convince the other side that their philosophy is right. But, like you, I refuse to vote for someone who, as you say, "violates my convictions", and no about of verbal abuse or criticism from the ones who don't "get it" is going to change that. Like the song says, "you've got to stand for something".


There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:

1. All Politicians Are Liars
2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement
3. Taxation Is Theft
Re: If you wrote in [Re: GomerPyle] #2329632
12/13/17 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted By: GomerPyle
Originally Posted By: NWALJM
I did not vote yesterday. I'm sure plenty here feel that is the worst thing a person could do, and I understand that. I used to feel that way too. But here's why I did not vote. First of all, I am a Christian and I hold to the convictions of my faith strongly. I have never believed that Roy Moore's antics (going back to the 10 Commandments issue) were rooted in his deep commitment to his faith or his convictions. I have always believed it was grand-standing for political gain. Doing that is essentially whoring out Christianity for your own needs, wants, or desires. Even before all of the alleged stuff with being a creep toward teen girls years ago, I did not feel good about voting for him.

Doug Jones, it is very simple. The man is running for office for a party that openly embraces murder of unborn children, and he himself supports it. I will not ever vote for a candidate that is tied to that.

So, I was left with choosing to vote between 2 candidates who both violated my faith-based convictions or writing in a candidate, which is waste of time. I believe that holding strongly to my convictions is more honorable than going to place a vote for someone who violates them. I understand that men have fought and died in battle over the centuries to preserve our way of life that includes freedom to vote that some nations do not have. I'm sure those same men did not also wish to fight and die so that their fellow countrymen years later would have to decide between candidates that both violate their consciences and convictions.

I will also add, that I will NEVER vote for someone who violates my convictions just to push a political party through. If the Republicans want my vote, stop putting terrible candidates out. That's my message.



This is how I feel as well, as I've posted more than once. Some "get it", some don't. Neither side will ever convince the other side that their philosophy is right. But, like you, I refuse to vote for someone who, as you say, "violates my convictions", and no about of verbal abuse or criticism from the ones who don't "get it" is going to change that. Like the song says, "you've got to stand for something".


I guess you stand for getting nothing done, keeping Obamacare, not getting a wall built...basically wasting getting Trump in office and more resistance.

Yall are a bunch of freaking dumbarses for sure.

Re: If you wrote in [Re: 257wbymag] #2329638
12/13/17 05:21 AM
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Well John McCain is a republican and look what he has done....thumbs down vote on repealing Obamacare. Part of the problem is in the republican party itself. The establishment republicans are just as against Trump as the dems....need to drain the swamp of those republicans as well.

Re: If you wrote in [Re: 257wbymag] #2329639
12/13/17 05:22 AM
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I knew my opinion and reasoning would not be popular or accepted by some on this board. My message to the Republican party is simple - stop putting awful candidates out there and you'll have my vote.

I don't buy all the garbage about the greater agenda or Trump's agenda, that's all horse manure. Voting is a right that each person has the ability to exercise or not exercise, and to say that someone shouldn't vote because they didn't vote the way or for the same reasons you do, falls right in line with this dictatorial attitude that Trump and most of his supporters have toward things they disagree with in general. A man's conscience and convictions should be the most treasured thing he has, should be guarded at all costs, and never whored out for political reasons. If your convictions are that the greater good of the Republican party is more important than faith-based or other moral reason, then we simply disagree and I'm alright with that.

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12/13/17 05:27 AM
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If you feel so strongly about ABORTION,..then why would you let another pro abortion person represent our dam state?


Because the truth is neither party stands against it. The Republicans control the WH, Senate, and the House. There is nothing being done to repeal it. It's a paper tiger they claim to be against to get votes, and are unwilling to do anything about it.

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Thanks again to all you jack asses that didn't vote or wrote in a candidate. The tens of thousands of people who are literally broke because they have to pay for obamacare really and truly appreciate you helping us out. Hopefully the cost eventually catches up to yall to the point you are broke also.

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"and this I would have to chose between 2 people I didnt like."

Well in every freaking election since Ronald freaking Reagan, Ive had to vote for some arsehat I didnt like..as there ARE ONLY 2 FREAKING CHOICES!

One will have an R after his name, the other a D.

One will be for conservative values, anti abortion, smaller govt, lower taxes, fighting terror and enforcing our laws especially on our border. He will have a freaking R after his name.

The other will be for bigger govt, pro abortion, keeping govt healthcare, letting in freaking t e r rorists and illegal immigrants.

Easy to locate on the ballot..he will have a "D" after his name.

Is it really so hard to figure out??

Heck, YOU dont HAVE to like a freaking candidate. I wouldnt hang out with any of these azzhat politicians..ever!

But IT IS NOT ABOUT A CANDIDATE! It is about THE DIRECTION of our country!

I didnt like the Bush's, EITHER one.

I didnt like Freaking Mc Cain,

I certainly didnt like Romney..but I STILL VOTED FOR THEM ALL.

Why, because I understand politics and know that there are ONLY 2 freaking choices..REPUBLICAN or DEMOCRAT.

IT IS NOT about the candidate. Its about the POLITICAL PARTY of the candidate and HOW THEY WILL VOTE or lead our country.

Some of yall think its about a FREAKING PERSON??? really?

Take some dam political science classes if you still havent figured out how our government works ok???


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Re: If you wrote in [Re: 257wbymag] #2329652
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To everyone trying to change the non-voters minds, you are wasting key strokes. Just a PSA.


Yeah, well, I always heard there were three kinds of suns in Kansas: sunshine, sunflowers, and sons-of-bitches.
Re: If you wrote in [Re: Turkey_neck] #2329653
12/13/17 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Thanks again to all you jack asses that didn't vote or wrote in a candidate. The tens of thousands of people who are literally broke because they have to pay for obamacare really and truly appreciate you helping us out. Hopefully the cost eventually catches up to yall to the point you are broke also.


This exactly. Some of us are paying $2000-$2400 a mionth for healthcare that used to cost me $500.

Some of you just DO NOT understand how the world and politics works.

Re: If you wrote in [Re: 257wbymag] #2329654
12/13/17 05:34 AM
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IT IS NOT about the candidate. Its about the POLITICAL PARTY of the candidate and HOW THEY WILL VOTE or lead our country.


Then they should learn to stop putting out terrible candidates to win elections they need in order to put forth their agenda. That's really the bottom line as to why Alabama has a Democrat going to Washington.

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12/13/17 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted By: outdoorobsession
Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Thanks again to all you jack asses that didn't vote or wrote in a candidate. The tens of thousands of people who are literally broke because they have to pay for obamacare really and truly appreciate you helping us out. Hopefully the cost eventually catches up to yall to the point you are broke also.


This exactly. Some of us are paying $2000-$2400 a month for healthcare that used to cost me $500.

I truly hope that some of you who wrote in some idiot or didnt vote at all get to pay $30,000 a freaking year for YOUR health insurance!

( and by the WAY, you wont be paying for your and your families health insurance, just a bunch of non working, free loading losers that the dems want to buy votes for by using YOUR MONEY! slap )

THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS ELECTION WAS ABOUT.

Some of you just DO NOT understand how the world and politics works.

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Re: If you wrote in [Re: bobwallace] #2329665
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Originally Posted By: bobwallace
To everyone trying to change the non-voters minds, you are wasting key strokes. Just a PSA.


It's about as tough as changing a Trump supporter's mind about Trump beers

Re: If you wrote in [Re: NWALJM] #2329666
12/13/17 05:38 AM
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I understand what y'all are saying about not voting. I get the argument. What I don't get is how y'all think there is no greater consequence.


By not voting you are allowing others to decide your ultimate fate. In the end it comes down to a simple principle. You will either participate in the decision or that decision will be made for you.

There is nothing else to it. There is NO THIRD OPTION. You will live by the rules.

So let's take a small thing like they can't confirm a Supreme Court Justice because Doug is going to vote with the Dems. Now that ends in a liberal justice getting appointed. And from that point until the day that Justice dies they are going to further the left's agenda to promote abortion at any time up until birth.

And that by your own admission is one of your biggest issues.

In my opinon.... YOU and those like you guys who did not vote are responsible for that.

It's that simple. I'm not mad at you and I'm not going to call you names and belittle y'all on here but I really don't understand how ya'll don't get that. How can people who have a strong opinion, usually conservative... who don't vote because they don't like the Candidates reconcile that I will never understand.

The Democrats they don't do this in my opinion. They go vote.




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Re: If you wrote in [Re: 257wbymag] #2329672
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Originally Posted By: 257wbymag
You're an asswipe. That's all



I posted this on another board that I frequent. Since it applies here, I felt like I should repeat it:


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This is the worst kind of logic. I hear it the most since I'm a Libertarian and either write-in or vote directly for a third party in nearly every election. Let me explain to you why you're wrong.....

I voted for Ron Bishop yesterday in the Alabama election. I literally wrote, Ron Bishop (Libertarian), on my ballot. I know this because it was me that did it. Now, here's the hard part, that vote was actually for Ron Bishop and NOT whomever you did not want to win that won. This seems to be a hard concept for some to grasp. I think it has to do with the logical fallacy that there are really only two choices and a choice for anything other than those two perceived choices are actually a vote against which ever choice you have chosen.

I hope this has helped you. In the future, instead of belittling or attempting to guilt third party voters into voting for your candidate, might I suggest running candidates for office that don't suck balls? Roy Moore is the creepiest of creeps and twice removed religious zealot judge. He's a clown of the first order that I wouldn't elect to Dog Catcher in Jasper, Al.


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Originally Posted By: canvasback
Well John McCain is a republican and look what he has done....thumbs down vote on repealing Obamacare. Part of the problem is in the republican party itself. The establishment republicans are just as against Trump as the dems....need to drain the swamp of those republicans as well.


You really do not understand politics if you think Mc Cain is a Repub.

He is a RINO!

One of the ONLY 2 Republican senators who actually receive money from George Soros. Go check Soros campaign contributions. He and Lindsey Graham.

By the way, you just made his obstruction easier.

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Originally Posted By: outdoorobsession
Originally Posted By: GomerPyle
Originally Posted By: NWALJM
I did not vote yesterday. I'm sure plenty here feel that is the worst thing a person could do, and I understand that. I used to feel that way too. But here's why I did not vote. First of all, I am a Christian and I hold to the convictions of my faith strongly. I have never believed that Roy Moore's antics (going back to the 10 Commandments issue) were rooted in his deep commitment to his faith or his convictions. I have always believed it was grand-standing for political gain. Doing that is essentially whoring out Christianity for your own needs, wants, or desires. Even before all of the alleged stuff with being a creep toward teen girls years ago, I did not feel good about voting for him.

Doug Jones, it is very simple. The man is running for office for a party that openly embraces murder of unborn children, and he himself supports it. I will not ever vote for a candidate that is tied to that.

So, I was left with choosing to vote between 2 candidates who both violated my faith-based convictions or writing in a candidate, which is waste of time. I believe that holding strongly to my convictions is more honorable than going to place a vote for someone who violates them. I understand that men have fought and died in battle over the centuries to preserve our way of life that includes freedom to vote that some nations do not have. I'm sure those same men did not also wish to fight and die so that their fellow countrymen years later would have to decide between candidates that both violate their consciences and convictions.

I will also add, that I will NEVER vote for someone who violates my convictions just to push a political party through. If the Republicans want my vote, stop putting terrible candidates out. That's my message.



This is how I feel as well, as I've posted more than once. Some "get it", some don't. Neither side will ever convince the other side that their philosophy is right. But, like you, I refuse to vote for someone who, as you say, "violates my convictions", and no about of verbal abuse or criticism from the ones who don't "get it" is going to change that. Like the song says, "you've got to stand for something".


I guess you stand for getting nothing done, keeping Obamacare, not getting a wall built...basically wasting getting Trump in office and more resistance.

Yall are a bunch of freaking dumbarses for sure.


Trump has a Republican majority in the Senate and the House and they have yet to pass a meaningful piece of legislation. The Obama care repeal has failed miserably.

Y’all really still think that wall is gonna get built???? Never going to happen.

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Because Susan Collins, John Mc Cain, Lindsey Graham, Jeff Flake, Bob Corker and a couple of others are NOT republicans. They just claim to be.

a 3 person majority in the Senate when the other party is going to obstruct any vote the republican president stands for.

It takes 60 votes on most issues. Only 51 in certain situations.

Mc Cain and Graham are accepting money from George Soros. You think they are republicans? Really?

They are loser, career, corrupt politicians interested only in getting richer and keeping their power. Not the country or the republican party.

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Originally Posted By: NWALJM
Originally Posted By: bobwallace
To everyone trying to change the non-voters minds, you are wasting key strokes. Just a PSA.


It's about as tough as changing a Trump supporter's mind about Trump beers


So you dont like Trump either? Did you vote for Hillary then?

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Originally Posted By: William
I think it has to do with the logical fallacy that there are really only two choices and a choice for anything other than those two perceived choices are actually a vote against which ever choice you have chosen.


What I would suggest is to objectively consider why most of us are telling you you're wrong. Use some analytical thinking and breakdown your logic. Then see if you can understand logically the decision making process and possible outcomes. Write is down on a piece of paper and make a flow chart if you know how. Start with your vote for either 3 candidates and then draw out all the possible outcomes from those three votes.

The only way your logic works is if the desired outcome it to make a personal statement about your dislike of either choice. Beyond that there is no impact. We both know it stops there because we both know whoever you write in WILL NOT WIN.

Thus, you are willing to accept the inevitable. And that is that someone else will make the decisions and you will live by their rules.

My problem is y'all will likely be the first to complain. Yet if you circle back to the logic in your decision you and I both know you had no impact on the ultimate outcome.

But you are still going to complain when Heath Care costs are more than you can afford.

You say I'm "for" Ron Bishop. And I say you are also "for" someone else deciding how much you will pay in taxes, how much your will pay in healthcare costs... the list of things that will directly impact your life and wallet is more than anyone could write down.


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y'all need to get over this convictions thing and politics. Its laughable. You will never identify with any political candidate if you work for a living, have a budget, pay taxes and try to raise a family. That immediately puts you at direct odds with all of them.

Instead, see them for the pieces of shucks they are and view them as cogs on a sprocket, driving us left or right. Who or what they stick their chock into and what things the media tells us doesn't matter. Cogs on a sprocket.

In fact, I'll go a step further and say the reason we have such pitiful candidates is cause everyone wants someone that they would like to have a beer with. You demanding that kind of personal PR and marketing out of a candidate self-selects for horrible candidates.


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