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Hey CNC #2282232
11/05/17 10:17 AM
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I’m tired of dealing with weeds. Thought about letting this thick wheat grow until the spring, terminate it, lay it over and then plant the garden veggies in the remaining thatch. Seems it would help minimize weeds, hold moisture, recycle nutrients, help make healthy soil, etc. I wonder if I’d need to transplant everything though or should veggie seeds punch through the thatch with no problems? CNC, or others, got any advice?


Re: Hey CNC [Re: Joe4majors] #2283213
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Go for it!......Grow it out tall, press it over to make a mat and terminate it.....Use a weedeater turnt up sideways like an edger to cut out rows to plant your seed in. thumbup


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Farmers are doing it more with row crops. Better for the soil to have cover, than bare dirt.


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I would transplant the veggies and try not to disturb the soil too much. Disturb the soil too much and your defeating the purpose of the mulch.

Re: Hey CNC [Re: Joe4majors] #2463017
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Here is an update on this new garden method. My first attempt, but so far so good. For seeds I found it best to simply take a little wooden dowel and punch a little hole. For the transplants I've been using a bulb planter to pull our a plug of soil. Obviously, still too early to tell how it's going to do at keeping out weeds, hold moisture, etc. I terminated the wheat about 3 weeks prior to planting. After it had a chance to die down some I used a push mower to lay it down. My neighbors must have thought I was loopy pushing a mower that wasn't running over dried wheat.

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Cool man!.....Keep us updated. thumbup


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I hope it works joe cause I want to do it next year. I always plant a little of my garden on the same day I do my food plots so I have a little "test" plot at the house I can monitor progress. So I'll plant the whole thing this fall if your successful.

CNC could soil compaction become an issue?

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Originally Posted by jlbuc10


CNC could soil compaction become an issue?


I don’t think it would…Not unless you already an issue to begin with..Just keep a root system in place at all times. When you terminate one root system then another is coming in behind it to take its place. Even though it’s been terminated, the cereal grain roots in Joe’s garden are still stabilizing the top soil right now and helping to maintain the “structure” of his soil. They serve as framework basically…….It would be a good idea to add in some radishes into the cover crop mix along with some clover. The radishes would take that root framework deeper into the soil profile and the clover would provide a little extra N to compensate for what the biomass will tie up as it begins to decompose. Vetch would be another option for a legume.

It probably wouldn't be a bad idea to dust the whole garden with a little 34-0-0.....



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Re: Hey CNC [Re: jlbuc10] #2463824
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Originally Posted by jlbuc10
I hope it works joe cause I want to do it next year. I always plant a little of my garden on the same day I do my food plots so I have a little "test" plot at the house I can monitor progress. So I'll plant the whole thing this fall if your successful.

CNC could soil compaction become an issue?


This kinda started in a similar manner. I've also planted a little section at home about the same time at the farm so I could monitor general progress. I'll try to keep this topic updated throughout the summer.

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Do you terminate it with roundup or such?
I really like this idea. Just wish I had seen something like this in the fall so I could have planted wheat when I did my food plots!
Thanks for the post!
David

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Bump

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Sorry, yes. Terminated with generic glyphosate (active ingredient in RoundUp).

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Thank you sir!

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Put some seeds in the ground before the rain last weekend. Before that, it had been relatively dry. I was impressed with how moist the soil was below the thatch and how much cooler the dirt was. Those seeds should punch through in a couple days hopefully. Rattlesnake beans from a previous planting are up though!

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Following with interest!


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Re: Hey CNC [Re: Joe4majors] #2475965
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Corn punched through. I'm still trying to figure out in my head how the vegetable seeds are germinating well and coming through the thatch while at the same time the thatch is somehow preventing weeds from doing the same.


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A stab at my own question, but maybe small weed seeds don’t have enough energy built in to push through the thatch? Kinda like how clover won’t germinate well if planted too deep.

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Re: Hey CNC [Re: Joe4majors] #2481511
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Looking good man! thumbup


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