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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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09/29/17 06:28 PM
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Land improvement work is almost as fun as Hunting. I check this thread every time I log in....I really enjoy it and have learned a lot from it.
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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09/29/17 07:15 PM
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Alabama
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I'm planting tomorrow rain or not. It is one of the few days I can get away to do it. Not real confident in the forecast.
You can take a man's life, but you can't take his freedom.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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09/30/17 03:33 AM
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Awbarn, AL
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Land improvement work is almost as fun as Hunting. I check this thread every time I log in....I really enjoy it and have learned a lot from it. Thanks man!......I’m to point now where I think I actually enjoy the habitat work MORE than the hunting. The hardest thing for me is that when hunting season approaches I need to quit doing chit and let everything go quiet.  I'm planting tomorrow rain or not. It is one of the few days I can get away to do it. Not real confident in the forecast. If you’ve got enough thatch to cover the seed well then you’ll be fine. I actually think thatch hides seeds much better than bare dirt. There’s nothing birds love to scratch in more than some bare dirt and seed.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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09/30/17 03:40 AM
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Just a little more pic sharing of the different areas filling in.....   Chinese chestnuts are dropping now..... 
Last edited by CNC; 09/30/17 03:48 AM.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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10/01/17 03:30 AM
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Alabama
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These were new plot locations so I got up the leaves and pinestraw. I spread out lime and fertilizer (yes I know the lime won't do much for me this year) scratched it up a bit more and put out the seed. Then I mowed the vegetation that was left on top of it. So it is a first year combination of throw and grow along with throw and mow. I didn't have the vegetation I wanted mostly because of the raking.
You can take a man's life, but you can't take his freedom.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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10/01/17 09:24 AM
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Extended heat and dry weather eventually equals stress………. It's been hot and dry here over the last couple weeks and its finally showing. This is stress applied to areas where I messed up and exposed the soil. These areas of the field are running dry now. It just started showing itself over the last day or so....This is a pic of the absolute worst spot I see in the field. Most areas that are showing stress aren’t this bad yet…….but that’s a big ‘yet” when looking at the forecast. Exposed sand is hot and dry, dry, dry........  Here’s stress applied to areas I kept covered………I’m only seeing a few tips firing so far. Eventually it’ll all run dry but you can see how your management efforts effect how well your field is able to handle stress and for how long. I may still yet regret planting so early. Things are probably about to get worse before they get better. Hopefully everything is established enough that it’ll bounce back when rain returns…..the drop in temps that finally hit last night should help buy me a little more time too. I show this so that you can see that everything isn’t just about well prepared seed beds……there’s a lot of factors in play that effect growth. This is one of the best areas of the field.....Same field....two vastly different results when we start applying stress..... 
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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10/01/17 04:34 PM
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Question: I get how this process works on an established plot. How do you get started on bare dirt to have that first round of thatch growing? That’s what I call “getting out of the hole”. You have to approach the whole concept one step at a time, tailoring your approach as you progress. Step 1…..getting out of the hole……is a matter of growing enough vegetation to be able to cover the soil surface with "hay" once it terminates. That means you really need to pamper it and do what it takes to get those first couple crops to produce something. Cereal rye is your best bet on the fall rotation. Go ahead and plant in a traditional manner the first time if you don’t have any thatch to work with….Plant thick…..over seed bare areas once the field comes up if needed…….apply frequent low doses of N every 6-8 weeks all the way through spring until it matures and begin to get P, K, and Ca in line…….. If you’re dealing with really crappy soil like the sand you see in my pics…..you’ll be just as well to grow whatever mother nature sends up during the summer months. Look in the pic below again at where I’ve screwed the pooch…..exposed my soil…..and degraded it. Mother Nature is already sending in the calvary. My clover won’t grow there…..my rye didn’t even take hold…..but whatever in the hell that plant in the pic is….it’s got my back and is already trying to cover my mistake over with OM. It's probably not a coincidence that it's umbrella shaped. It’s not growing anywhere else….just where I messed up. These plants are designed to grow in these poor conditions where as many of the “crops” we plant are not. If were trying to produce as much biomass as possible under these conditions…..then you’re better off using the plants adapted for it. It much easier to accomplish in the summer with the native plants that emerge. Learn to work with nature instead of against her. Feed these plants and pamper them the same as you would a crop......We need BIOMASS.... We need ROOT STRUCTURE……When that's accomplished then worry about other things...... Medic!!!....   I believe that is carpetweed.
If you do the things you need to do when you need to do them then someday you can do the things you want to do when you want to do them.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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10/02/17 02:27 AM
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Awbarn, AL
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I believe that is carpetweed. Hmmmm....you may be right. Whichever plant it may be though, it's function looks like to me is to recover the soil surface and stabilize the top soil.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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10/02/17 04:00 AM
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Awbarn, AL
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I’m so frustrated with myself for doing this….I knew better when I saw the disk cutting too hard in these areas but I didn’t realize just how fragile this sand really is……It’s all good though because it’s a great learning experience for me and all of you who are following along. I should have pointed this out the other day but look back at our areas where the soil is separating due to heavy rainfall. Do you see all of those little white pellets? It’s not just OM that we’re losing……that’s lime that's being separated and carried away.  I just quickly made this little hole with my hand so it’s a little sloppy compared to my usual soil profile pics but if I take a scoop of the separated sand off the surface….you can see I start hitting some of my darker dirt I’ve built. These places will look ugly for a little while and then rebuild themselves. This is a really important point to understand though for you guys who have sandy plots…..If I keep repeating this process, then you’ll see the field become pure sand. You can see it happening in this one pic….…….I should have left my disk put up and not tried experimenting this summer. Hopefully we all can all learn from it. 
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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10/02/17 06:41 AM
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huntin the big lease
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planted 7 fields saturday doing throw and mow and 3 others traditional style because they were too grown up throw and mow and somehow got a random rain that wasn't in the forecast yesterday afternoon. I'll post some progress pics when they get going.
"All is fair in love, War and Turkey Hunting"
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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10/02/17 01:47 PM
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Awbarn, AL
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planted 7 fields saturday doing throw and mow and 3 others traditional style because they were too grown up throw and mow and somehow got a random rain that wasn't in the forecast yesterday afternoon. I'll post some progress pics when they get going. The weather guessers are teasing about a chance of rain next weekend...Hopefully it'll come through for all of us.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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10/03/17 04:40 AM
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huntin the big lease
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the temps are going to rise into next week which could spark those afternoon storms, atleast that's what I'm hoping for
"All is fair in love, War and Turkey Hunting"
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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10/03/17 02:29 PM
10/03/17 02:29 PM
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Awbarn, AL
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Forecast calling for +50% chance of rain in Monroe County Sat-Mon. I can plant on Fri or wait 2 more weeks. All plots have been sprayed and are ready to go. Plant this week or wait until Oct 21st?
They just bumped the chances up for me to 90%....They must be much more confident about it now. If the rain chances are still high by Thursday then go for it.
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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A
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10/03/17 02:39 PM
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Im slinging seed and fert and dragging my thatch down Friday.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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