So put a new sight on my bow. Field tips dialed in. Start shooting 100grn Ram cats. 30 yds all of them go right about 5 inches. Back off to forty expecting to chase one far right....it is 2 inches left of center. Any advice is welcome. Constructive advice that is.

Don’t have any advice, but I know a lot of folks have that problem with them. IF they shoot right, probably one of the best heads out there.

Tune your bow better and make sure you arrows are spined correctly for their length and your draw weight

Are the blades on them slightly bent ? I have had that problem

Switch to Muzzys.
Never look back.

I've shot the .125's for 3 years and love them.

I’ve shot muzzy. May try them again but they always flew 5-6 higher than my field points

Your bow is out of tune or arrow spine is too weak. What's your draw length, draw weight, and what spine are you shooting?

Flight problems with Ramcats? That’s exact opposite of my experience. I quit shooting them because of other issues. But they flew awesome for me.

Clarkdeer, what caused you to stop using ramcats?

Yep, if yer bow is dialed in, Ram Cats will shoot better than field points.

If your bow is tuned right, a muzzy will fly exactly like a field point.
I still shoot muzzys in my crossbow.
I can shoot a field point, into my target, and then trim the paint off it with a muzzy.
This has much to do with your arrow and fletching, which is a big part of your bow tuning.
Your arrows must correct spine, and vanes large enough to control the broadhead. If you're shooting those little girly 2" pink polkadot vanes, you'll never get a broadhead to fly straight.

Wrong

To the OP, as mentioned you need to be shooting the correct spine arrow. What is your draw weight, arrow length and what spine are you currently shooting?

I defer to the master munchkin.
But my arras fly straight.

Not as educated as I’d like to be. I’ll look at the spine. Draw weight and length unknown. That has been set for nine years and I haven’t changed it so haven’t checked it. I’ll be back with said info

A few reasons.
The tips of the blades would curl up after a couple of times shooting into a target. However, it didn’t affect accuracy. Just the thought of it I guess.
I liked the big cut but they didn’t fit well in to my quiver.
And I had to make sure they were turned just right on the arrow. If not one of the blades would hit the riser when I drew.

Having said all that I have thought about giving them another try.
For some reason I shot those things better than field tips.

Spine 400. It’s a gold tip Hunter. Weight is 64-66 I believe. Arrow is 28”. So how does this info factor in if the field tip is dialed in and the broad head isn’t? The tips weigh the same. Aerodynamics should be the only change right??

According to the Gold Tip calculator if I shoot 60-64 draw weight I need a 400. 65-69 a 340. I need to confirm my draw weight to start with I guess

if it was me I'd be shooting 340s with those specs. You're right on the cusp, so I'd guess that most of what you're seeing is the bow being out of tune.

Are your arrows grouping tightly with the fixed blades on them?

If you're shooting a bow with a really aggressive can you may need to be shooting a stiffer spines arrow. I shot the 400 out of my switchback and they did alright but my buddy has one of the newer hoyts with 50/60 lb limbs and he is shooting 300's to get them to fly correctly

Starting to make sense. I’ve only shot mechanical heads except for muzzy one season. I just compensated with them. It’s a Ross Cardiac so it isnt a newer super fast bow. I’m going to check the weight and try a 340 tomorrow. Yes all arrow set ups group well. Field or broad heads. May have some arras fer sale by tomorrow!!!. Hahaha

Well, couple of things after taking it to Archery Unlmt. Serving slipped and was out of place. Sight was slightly misaligned as well. Got it paper tuned and going to try my arras again today. Try them once more before spending more money on the stiffer spine. He said I might be okay since it is a solo cam bow. 29” draw length. Pulled 72 lbs (surprise me). Shot 294fps. See what she does this evening I guess

At 29” and 72# you need a 300 spine.

Exactly what I was thinking. Do yourself a favor and just go on and get 300s. Your bow will be quieter, your broadheads will hit where you want them to, and you’ll get better penetration.

Or drop your weight to 65# and go with the 340’s. Your bow will be quieter and you’ll be able to draw easier, especially when seated.

Thought about dropping the weight and going 340s. Field tips grouped great this evening but the ram cats still flew a few inches high and sometimes right. Too far off. How much speed will I lose and does it matter? Should I just shoot expandables?

Some folks aren’t micro people and have no problem drawing 72 lbs while sitting down.

Rambo birch slaps the shaw.
Story at 10:00

. There went this thread! Haha. I’m gonna try a new arra tomorrow. I’d like to actually hunt soon!! Guess that’s what I get for moving and starting a house when I ought to be prepping for season!!

Get back with me when you set up as many bows for people as I have. Besides shooting a draw that’s too long for them, having the draw weight set low enough so they can comfortably shoot is the biggest problem I see with the people that come to me for strings and bow set up’s, regardless of their size. Lot of guys seem to think their dicks get bigger if they’re shooting 70#. If you can do it fine, but the majority of people I see shoot better if they turn it down a few pounds.

I had no idea I was pulling that much. I’m gonna turn it down a touch, buuuut if I notice any shrinkage I’m turning it right back up. And going to buy some really big tires for my truck!!!

If you can comfortably pull it, then by all means stick with it. But you will need a 300 spine arrow and may still have issues tuning those heads.

It’s nothing about a big dick. Some people are stronger than others. Some folks drive a golf ball 200 yards and some drive it 350. It’s all personal strength. My bow is set at 70 lbs and I usually shoot deer while sitting down and it is absolutely no problem for me. Just saying, this dude could be a guy that benches 400 and curls 200 and it is nothing to him.

Good for you. I offered an opinion and you did as well. But for some reason, and maybe I’m wrong and you left a smiley off, you seemed to get all wadded up over my opinion and threw the size comment out there. And from my experience, the folks that brag about shooting 70# and make comments about those that don’t, think it’s a dick measuring contest. Before my neck and back injury, I could draw 70# sitting down. Now I’m weaker on my left side and can’t do it. Again, I hope I’m taking your comment wrong.

Sorry. Nope just stating that some folks are stronger than others and what is hard for some folks is incredibly easy for others. That’s all.

Good, we have that worked out.

Well, men I am pretty darn sure it’s all sorted out now. Think I got my bow problem figured out too . I dropped by the shop today and started to buy 1 or 2 340s. After talking with the fella that sold me the 400s he traded me back out for 6 fresh 340s. Couldn’t believe it. Awesome gesture!!My plan was to slowly back off the poundage til it worked....or not. Field tips shot fantastic and grouped better than ever. Went home after work and shot sets of 4. 2 field tips then 2 Ram Cats. Only got out to 30 yds so far but they are cutting the Same holes <2” groups!!
Didn’t have to back off the poundage...yet anyway. Thanks guys for getting me going in the right direction and educating me some as well. I’ll get the other pins dialed in and post some kill pics this weekend!!! I hope! Seriously, THANKS!

Good deal.

Good to read!




God Bless,
David B.

My ramcats shoot 1 inch high and maybe .5 inch right. I can group them on the bullseye by compensating a little but it’s such a small margin it doesn’t really matter to me. That’s out to 30 yds, haven’t gone past that yet. They are an excellent broadhead so far for me and are worth the hassle of tuning to get them to fly right. However, I’m having my bow re-strung this week because it needs it badly so I will have to tune my bow again I’m sure. I would love to wait and let Shaw do them after the season but I’m not sure they would last. I’m not a bow expert so I don’t know for sure, just playing it safe.

I’ve seen the damage they do. That’s why I went through this. And it’s nice to know your setup is now up to snuff for the first time in a while

Good deal

That’s what I’m talking about. Short trail and lots of blood. They will punch through pig shoulders too.

I am not at all up on current bow technology, but one thing I like about the Muzzy broadhead is that they give you practice blades that fly exactly the same as the cutting blades. I never practice with field points at all; just keep a couple of arrows with the practice blades installed and practice only with them. But I'm a guy that just practices 8 or 10 times before the season and hangs the bow up when gun season starts, so I realize this doesn't work for serious bowhunters.

If you are like me and don't really understand how to tune a bow, Shaw does great work. He tuned mine about 6 years ago and it still shoots straight. Shaw, I didn't know if I could even pull it back this year after all my back troubles, but I turned it down all the way and at 50 lbs I can still shoot it. This might be the last season I'll be able to use it, but I'm thankful I can still go and have a chance to hunt.

I first used Muzzy around 1995. I thought it great that they gave you a practice head. Thought it weird years later that most didn’t. Anyway I hope that this education on my bow keeps me from having to shoot soooo much to get it all flying right.

Traded for a Hoyt Carbon Defiant this year was shooting 400 Gold tips pro hunters have for several years the man that set it up said this bow likes 350 weight when we tuned it. Bow would shoot the 400’s but not with Slick tricks swapped over to Black Eagle 350 weight cause found them on sale . Works perfect now . No floating of broad heads and field tips are grouping tighter. Crazy a small adjustment makes a huge difference