Maybe y'all will remember this attitude when the Forever Wild vote comes back around.

I understand that you are taking up for the guy and his hard work. All I'm saying is that none of this should be about him.

No,I wouldn't make a comment about a hunt ending depending on how I feel because of a ball game. That's not sarcasm,that's egotistical.

A simple."I'm very sorry but we can only be out here until 5:30." would have completely diffused the situation of someone being disappointed in having to leave early.

As I said also posting quitting times would have been a good idea.

What does not help the situation is telling someone "Tough,it was free,if you don't like it don't come back." You may feel that way but does that help promote the sport of hunting,this particular hunt or help young hunters in any way? All that does is discourage hunting. It seems to me that attitudes all around could be improved.

I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion a statement like that is egotistical when the nature of it is purely defined by context, let's agree to disagree.

I will agree with you on the fact that none of this should be about Bill. State lands didn't put the hunt on, wildlife freshwater fisheries did. Mother nature controls the weather and birds, and the state controls the budget and the laws. Looks to me like Bill is the scapegoat here.

I will also agree that me saying "if you don't like it don't come back" does not help. But neither does putting all this on one man, making unfounded claims about people shooting down there outside of the hunts, suggesting that his daughter was there without a child or properly registering, and advocating game wardens breaking the law, all of which has happened in this thread. Moreover, it does not help when people at the hunt in question disregard the clearly laid out rules by shooting early and showing up late, both of which happened that day.

Forever wild lands is not perfect, but what is? I will say this though, if things like this keep happening, I don't think anyone will need to worry about voting, the state will close it down for ya, then no one will be hunting out there and everyone will be complaining about the rich man that now owns another large property and it's closed to the public.

I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion a statement like that is egotistical when the nature of it is purely defined by context, let's agree to disagree.

I will agree with you on the fact that none of this should be about Bill. State lands didn't put the hunt on, wildlife freshwater fisheries did. Mother nature controls the weather and birds, and the state controls the budget and the laws. Looks to me like Bill is the scapegoat here.

I will also agree that me saying "if you don't like it don't come back" does not help. But neither does putting all this on one man, making unfounded claims about people shooting down there outside of the hunts, suggesting that his daughter was there without a child or properly registering, and advocating game wardens breaking the law, all of which has happened in this thread. Moreover, it does not help when people at the hunt in question disregard the clearly laid out rules by shooting early and showing up late, both of which happened that day.

Forever wild lands is not perfect, but what is? I will say this though, if things like this keep happening, I don't think anyone will need to worry about voting, the state will close it down for ya, then no one will be hunting out there and everyone will be complaining about the rich man that now owns another large property and it's closed to the public.

I hope it does get shut down. That would be awesome.

I'm not sure how you can come to the conclusion a statement like that is egotistical when the nature of it is purely defined by context, let's agree to disagree.

I will agree with you on the fact that none of this should be about Bill. State lands didn't put the hunt on, wildlife freshwater fisheries did. Mother nature controls the weather and birds, and the state controls the budget and the laws. Looks to me like Bill is the scapegoat here.

I will also agree that me saying "if you don't like it don't come back" does not help. But neither does putting all this on one man, making unfounded claims about people shooting down there outside of the hunts, suggesting that his daughter was there without a child or properly registering, and advocating game wardens breaking the law, all of which has happened in this thread. Moreover, it does not help when people at the hunt in question disregard the clearly laid out rules by shooting early and showing up late, both of which happened that day.

Forever wild lands is not perfect, but what is? I will say this though, if things like this keep happening, I don't think anyone will need to worry about voting, the state will close it down for ya, then no one will be hunting out there and everyone will be complaining about the rich man that now owns another large property and it's closed to the public.

Doesn't cost you anything.

Teaching them that breaking the law is ok for some folks. Makes perfect sense. No thanks.

I must agree with the opening poster on this. I feel that his arrogant behavior and statements about how this place only exists because of him, was a poor poor representation of the Al DCNR. I personally heard him yelling at at grown man about a mistake rather take that moment and listen to him he treated him like a child. He also made several comments that were just not right. He told one child he obviously knew that don't worry you will get to kill a deer out here this year. To my knowledge those hunts are a random draw, how the hell did he know that? He also said that he would end the hunt when he felt like it, probably early if his college got beat, which apparently it got the crap beat out of em.
I think someone to take him down a few notches, the cattle ranch is not "his personal place". He spoke to all of as thought he was the landowner, not a state employee doing what he is paid to do. I respect his passion but I think he may be disillusioned in stating that this is "his" place.
As far as the ending the hunt early, that was just crap. I drove a total 4.5 hours to for less than 3 hours of hunting. Shooting light had at least another hour and 20 minutes. I understand not shooting the roost, but they is not another hunt scheduled there to mid October. So I hope the birds he saved for his friends were there , cause he damn sure screwed the kids out of what had started to be a very good hunt for them.
I would like to return and hunt it again but maybe the state should have someone else run that hunt and give him the Saturday off.

On a youth hunt like what was mentioned, I don't see a problem with giving youngsters/inexperienced shooters an added edge. As already mentioned, it'll help keep them interested.

I believe in playing by the rules but throwing some different shells in a gun and saying "hey kid, try these" hasn't taught them anything other than he's shooting a different shell... Your average kid could care less if its copper, steel, lead or whatever

The shot is either toxic or not. Whom shoots it doesn't matter. If you don't teach them the right way when they're young, when do you start?

Lol, if you say so.

I totally agree with teaching kids right from wrong... But, if on a youth hunt like what was stated and a GW hands me a few shells that will give my son a better chance at success, I won't hesitate to load them up. If you don't tell the kid there is a difference, he won't know there is one. Therefore, he hasn't learned anything

I did say so, and until given evidence to the contrary, will continue to do so.

You can keep believing what you want, if that helps you get through the day.

I went on a great youth dove hunt last weekend - thanks ALDNR!

You got one thing right, he hasn't learned anything. Nice mentoring. No thanks.