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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/11/17 03:06 PM
07/11/17 03:06 PM
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blahblahblah
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ALFisher, I don't hardly ever hunt right on a food plot unless I'm in a box stand while it is raining or I was running late. Usually when I'm trying to catch a big buck he is circling the plot looking for does anyhow. So I usually set up 30 to 40 yards off the plot. They typically circle between me and the plot.
You can take a man's life, but you can't take his freedom.
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/11/17 03:21 PM
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AlabamaSwamper
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I hunt the wind..... always
But checking cameras ECT I Don't bother trying to hide anything. Doesn't seem to bother my deer at all. Guess they are used to me being around all the time
BTR Scorer in NW Alabama
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/11/17 04:50 PM
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jawbone
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You can reduce your scent but if he is down wind from you he will smell you. Now that doesn't mean he is always going to bolt because sometimes they can get distracted by other things, especially during the rut if a hot doe has been in the area the last day or so.
You are kidding yourself if you think you can fool them if they are on alert, which they normally are.
And during the rut is the best time to hunt off of a food plot. They will come in it if there are does in it, but before the does come out they will circle the plot on the downwind side to see if anything catches their nose's interest. Blahblah is correct, they will be about 15 to 20 yards in the woods off of the plot and generally won't enter unless they smell does out there. When I bowhunted a plot, this is how I did it. Now I try to watch the woodline as much as I do the plot until the does come out.
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/12/17 04:34 AM
07/12/17 04:34 AM
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We had about 200 feet of elevation change at my old lease in South Ala. On any given day, the wind will blow from all directions. When the wind was steady from the N or NW, the hunting was better because most of our stands were set up that way for the prevailing wind. I always keep cotton in my back pack, so I can turn loose tiny pieces to see what the thermals are doing. When your scent starts going down, so do your chances of killing a deer. Pine needles are about my only scent control.
Grandma said...Always keep a gun close at hand, you just never know when you might run across some varmint that needs killing...
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blumsden]
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07/12/17 07:53 AM
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I hunt a piece of public land in Fl that is a long narrow strip of woods between a bicycle trail and a river. The bike trail is very heavily used and the river gets some use from canoes and other small boats. I've never had a deer act like it smelled me there. I guess there could be some that I don't see because they smell me, but I've never had one blow at me or even act like they smelled me at all. Those folks on bikes really talk loud also. You can hear most everything they say. Deer don't seem to mind that either. Killed several bucks there over the years.
May the sound of hounds never die!
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: GomerPyle]
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07/12/17 09:19 AM
07/12/17 09:19 AM
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R_H_Clark
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purely anecdotal, but the deer-killin'est man I knew never wore camo and never worried about "scent control".
He'd drive his Suzuki Samurai to wherever he wanted to hunt that particular morning, back it up into the trees a little bit to halfway hide it, leave it running so he could keep the heat on, smoke and drink coffee, and then roll the window down and shoot when he saw something he felt like shooting.
take it for what it's worth. My guess is that man killed deer because he hunted. I bet he stayed in his stand longer because he was warm and comfortable.
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/12/17 10:11 AM
07/12/17 10:11 AM
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bamaeyedoc
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Old Mossy Horns
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I listened to a guy talk about hunting mainly private property. He said he tries to smell the same every time he goes on his property and takes no steps to prevent his scent in fact he rubs around on trees and bushes throughout his property every time he goes on. His claim is the deer no longer associate him with danger. He said he does this year round. This may be the biggest crock of shucks I've ever heard. No wild deer will ever associate the smell of a human with safety. They may get used to the noise and sight of people but I find it hard to believe that a deer is gonna smell a human and think everything is ok. The goal is to minimize the human scent in your hunting spot so staying the hell out of there until you hunt that spot makes more sense. But, to each his own. I don't do anything with scent control other than hunt the wind. I will not hunt a place if the wind is wrong. I don't have any BC bucks on the wall but I see a helluva lot of deer by just trying to stay downwind. Dr. B
Last edited by bamaeyedoc; 07/12/17 10:13 AM.
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/12/17 12:00 PM
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straycat
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I do zero scent control and try to just use the wind as a guide.
But I will "smoke up" before a hunt fairly often if I'll be in an area with unpredictable wind. Or if I'll be stalking. It is amazing what a good smoking of leaves, pine needles will do to cover your scent...just bring a little 2' galvanized pan with you, start a fire, add some green needles and leaves and let it roll white smoke for 5 minutes. Stand right over it and let it soak into you fabric and your pores. Pee on it to put it out or put a lid on it to snuff it out. Be on your way.
I've been upwind of many deer and typically they don't spook. Sometimes, but not often. Hint: Whree smoke drifts, go hunt in that direction.
"The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever." Isaiah 40:8
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/12/17 07:54 PM
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Hunting with a gun is different. They won't smell you with the right wind and shooting over 100 yds. Being within 20 yds is a whole nother ball game.
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/13/17 03:10 AM
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blahblahblah
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I always wonder how many deer I could have seen had it not been for me being smelled without my knowledge.
You can take a man's life, but you can't take his freedom.
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/13/17 04:45 AM
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i wish beer belly would post that article about the scent study the goverment did. Very informative and intresting.
For without victory, there is no survival
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: 2Dogs]
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07/14/17 01:22 AM
07/14/17 01:22 AM
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blumsden
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Can you fool a deer's nose? HELL NO!!! Not if the deer scents you. Can you lesson your chance of getting scented by a deer by being "an oz of crap rather than a TON of crap", yes you can.
Opinions are opinions. Science or PPM of scent molecules is science and facts IS facts.
IF YOU REDUCE YOUR SCENT MOLECULES, from a standpoint of physics, you reduce an animal's ability to detect you.
So my point... when you're in the woods, be an oz of crap and not a ton of crap. You cannot argue with the science of scent molecules in a PPM scale and the science of scent dilution.
I'll add I've never bought into the whole dogs have way less receptors than deer, therefor deer are superior "smellers" . When someone can prove to me all receptors are created equal I might. I know what a cold nosed hound can do and I've observed deer for 40+ years. If deer can smell better/longer than a hound , where there is any hunting pressure at all , they'd never move in daylight. So you say you don't believe wildlife biologist's? I do, and because i do, thats why i don't buy into fooling a deer's nose. I used to dog hunt years ago and rabbit hunted as well. I've been around those same cold nosed hounds you speak of. And yes a deer has a better nose than those cold nosed hounds. Mature deer, don't move much during the day, in most places, except during the rut. Guess what? A polar bear can smell blood from like 20 miles away, so maybe they have better smell than a deer, don't know.
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blumsden]
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07/14/17 06:25 AM
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2Dogs
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Can you fool a deer's nose? HELL NO!!! Not if the deer scents you. Can you lesson your chance of getting scented by a deer by being "an oz of crap rather than a TON of crap", yes you can.
Opinions are opinions. Science or PPM of scent molecules is science and facts IS facts.
IF YOU REDUCE YOUR SCENT MOLECULES, from a standpoint of physics, you reduce an animal's ability to detect you.
So my point... when you're in the woods, be an oz of crap and not a ton of crap. You cannot argue with the science of scent molecules in a PPM scale and the science of scent dilution.
I'll add I've never bought into the whole dogs have way less receptors than deer, therefor deer are superior "smellers" . When someone can prove to me all receptors are created equal I might. I know what a cold nosed hound can do and I've observed deer for 40+ years. If deer can smell better/longer than a hound , where there is any hunting pressure at all , they'd never move in daylight. So you say you don't believe wildlife biologist's? I do, and because i do, thats why i don't buy into fooling a deer's nose. I used to dog hunt years ago and rabbit hunted as well. I've been around those same cold nosed hounds you speak of. And yes a deer has a better nose than those cold nosed hounds. Mature deer, don't move much during the day, in most places, except during the rut. Guess what? A polar bear can smell blood from like 20 miles away, so maybe they have better smell than a deer, don't know. I've had discussions on here and on the old QDMA forum about this subject and nobody has told me if all receptors are created equal. One biologist says a dog has 220 million and a deer has 290 million and that makes deer better smellers, BS! All dogs are not created equal, hounds and shepards have more receptors than other breeds. There is also something called Olfactory Genes that are needed to smell, dogs are #9 on the list, no member of the deer family made the top 10. For decades it was thought birds could not smell. But now it's know that buzzards have some of the keenest smellers in the animal kingdom, scientists really don't know why. They can home in on decaying flesh where the scent molecules are measured in parts per BILLION ! So if you wanta believe just because a deer has about 40% more receptors they can really smell better than a hound, knock yourself out. Me , I need more evidence. It's not about beating a deer's nose completely, it's about a slight edge that might make him come a few steps closer . I fully believe that is possible as antlerfluke explained as well as I've ever seen.
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Re: Discussion: Intentional lack of scent control
[Re: blahblahblah]
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07/15/17 03:48 AM
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I worry more about the scent I leave on the ground for deer to smell when I'm not there. RUBBER BOOTS
"The Heavens declare the glory of God;and the firmament sheweth his handiwork" Pslam 19:1
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