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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Rebelman]
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06/30/17 09:43 AM
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You fool with rifles too much to not have the stuff to do it right. Buy the stuff. Not very expensive and you know for certain it is done right.
I will tell you that I dont use any kind of crosshair leveling kit though. I just use a bipod and a plumb bob hung from the ceiling myself.
Last edited by JUGHEAD; 06/30/17 09:44 AM.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: James]
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06/30/17 10:22 AM
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I think I have lapped less than 5 sets of rings in my whole life...
How much runout do you think you create while lapping your rings with your unsupported elbow by hand?
Just buy better stuff. Never had a problem with my scope in quality rings. No lapping needed.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Rebelman]
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06/30/17 10:52 AM
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All I use is a Torx wrench and screw driver and I know it's right. Never any trouble and no ring marks, and also use an alignment bar.
If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Rebelman]
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06/30/17 01:12 PM
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Buy DNZ and no lapping necessary.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: 257wbymag]
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06/30/17 02:22 PM
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Buy DNZ and no lapping necessary. BINGO! I've got DNZ Game Reapers on almost all of my scoped guns. Can't beat 'em.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Claims Rep.]
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06/30/17 03:51 PM
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Buy DNZ and no lapping necessary. BINGO! I've got DNZ Game Reapers on almost all of my scoped guns. Can't beat 'em. I was gonna say buy the right rings and you don't have to lap
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Rebelman]
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06/30/17 04:15 PM
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I've installed every scope on every weapon that my son and I own and have done so since the 70s. I do have the magnetic leveling bubble tubes now and like them. Cheap and work very well.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: bambam32]
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06/30/17 06:39 PM
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I bought all this stuff at different times. If you shop around you can find a good deal on a combo. I want my reticles leveled to the receiver. Most of the time you take it somewhere they charge you to eyeball it. I enjoy mounting my own scopes. You mount a few new ones or adjust a few old ones and you've paid for it. Plus, you'll always have the tools. Wheeler Wheeler 2 I'll add that I have only lapped one set of rings and it made quite a mess. It's usually not necessary. If I find that I've got some rings out of alignment I'll probably return them next time.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Claims Rep.]
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06/30/17 07:48 PM
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Buy DNZ and no lapping necessary. BINGO! I've got DNZ Game Reapers on almost all of my scoped guns. Can't beat 'em. Even they have lemons. I purchased one for my Rem700 police, and it's off quite a bit....
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: James]
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07/01/17 01:26 AM
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Buy DNZ and no lapping necessary. BINGO! I've got DNZ Game Reapers on almost all of my scoped guns. Can't beat 'em. Even they have lemons. I purchased one for my Rem700 police, and it's off quite a bit.... Well in this case, you return it, you don't fix it.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Rebelman]
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07/01/17 02:20 AM
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I like Burris Signature series rings with the plastic inserts that protect the scope tube and can be used to make gross corrections in elevation and windage with the proper inserts. Lapping is not needed because you can never 'bind' the tube..... http://www.burrisoptics.com/signature-rings
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Rebelman]
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07/01/17 07:52 AM
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None of the crosshairs on my hunting rifles are what you would call level, but theyre straight to me. I do all my own. I don't think anybody could do them correctly for you unless you were in the room helping with the adjustment. Everybody shoulders a rifle a little different. I'd go dnz and do it yourself.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: bambam32]
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07/01/17 09:13 AM
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I bought all this stuff at different times. If you shop around you can find a good deal on a combo. I want my reticles leveled to the receiver. Most of the time you take it somewhere they charge you to eyeball it. I enjoy mounting my own scopes. You mount a few new ones or adjust a few old ones and you've paid for it. Plus, you'll always have the tools. Wheeler Wheeler 2 I'll add that I have only lapped one set of rings and it made quite a mess. It's usually not necessary. If I find that I've got some rings out of alignment I'll probably return them next time. Sounds like you used too much lube. LOL Ring marks are caused by rings out of alignment. Also,a lot of scopes that don't adjust properly are because the tube is torqued by out of alignment rings. Sometimes both problems are caused because of farmer tight rings.Canted reticles won't track true at long range. Lots of problems can be avoided by proper scope mounting,and I've never seen a gun store lackey mount a scope properly.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: extreme heights hunter]
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07/04/17 08:53 PM
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Buy DNZ and no lapping necessary. BINGO! I've got DNZ Game Reapers on almost all of my scoped guns. Can't beat 'em. Even they have lemons. I purchased one for my Rem700 police, and it's off quite a bit.... Well in this case, you return it, you don't fix it. True I've had about 8 months lol, reckon I'll give em a call.
How many people am i willing to sacrifice for freedom? Everyone. All of them...
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Rebelman]
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07/05/17 02:40 AM
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Talking about gun store lackeys... I bought a Steyr Pro Hunter at a well known Mobile Gun store and asked the salesperson who had years of experience put the one piece Leupold base on for me. MISTAKE - I watched him tighten the base screws and I could tell he was faking the torque he was putting on one of the screws. He walked away for a minute and I checked it and it was stripped. Called his hand on it and made them swap the rifle for a new one.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: deadeye]
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07/05/17 07:15 AM
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Talking about gun store lackeys... I bought a Steyr Pro Hunter at a well known Mobile Gun store and asked the salesperson who had years of experience put the one piece Leupold base on for me. MISTAKE - I watched him tighten the base screws and I could tell he was faking the torque he was putting on one of the screws. He walked away for a minute and I checked it and it was stripped. Called his hand on it and made them swap the rifle for a new one. It's been a long time since I was young and inexperienced enough to let any gun store employee work on one of my guns. I've had a few horror stories too. Now,I do all the small stuff,scope mounting,trigger adjusting,pillar bedding,and let a good gunsmith do anything else. Everyone who is a gun person needs to know how to do those things,and anyone can learn how to do them correctly if I can.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: deadeye]
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07/05/17 09:14 AM
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I like Burris Signature series rings with the plastic inserts that protect the scope tube and can be used to make gross corrections in elevation and windage with the proper inserts. Lapping is not needed because you can never 'bind' the tube..... http://www.burrisoptics.com/signature-ringsthese
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: XVIII]
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07/05/17 10:15 AM
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Pretty much all I use is Burris Signature here as well. Weaver/Picatinny Style and only because that with the correct base this eliminates all issues with scope position relative to the ring spacing and eye relief.
Not saying they are better but this is the system I use across about all my guns and has always worked well. In particular with swapping scopes around on rifles, etc. So I try and run a lot of the same hardware.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Goatkiller]
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07/05/17 10:58 AM
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Pretty much all I use is Burris Signature here as well. Weaver/Picatinny Style and only because that with the correct base this eliminates all issues with scope position relative to the ring spacing and eye relief.
Not saying they are better but this is the system I use across about all my guns and has always worked well. In particular with swapping scopes around on rifles, etc. So I try and run a lot of the same hardware. I prefer them too unless I'm going light, and then it's Talley Lightweights.I also use the Sako Optilock Ringmounts which have the insert just like the Burris Signatures. I actually had my first rings with inserts with the Sako ringmounts and liked them so much I started using the Burris rings.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Rebelman]
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07/05/17 06:07 PM
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I'm pretty anal about mounting my scopes. First I optically center my reticle by turning the windage and elevation one direction until it stops then counting the clicks back around until it stops again. Then dividing by two and counting back in that many clicks. I then attach my bases and properly torque with a wheeler torque driver. Then attach my Burris Signature rings (I always grease the front ring where it cams into the base)with the plastic inserts with no correction, place the scope in the rings and boresight. If much correction is needed I do it with the ring plastic inserts (+5/-5, etc.), check and adjust the reticle for canting and adjust eye relief, torque the screws then shoot for final adjustment using the scope internal adjustments. Be sure to purchase the additional Burris adjustment plastic insert kit.
For Leupold rings I have a 1" solid aluminum round bar about 24" long I use to key in the front ring and align the frt ring with the barrel. This is key for the Leupold rings.
A man is not old until regrets take the place of dreams
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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07/05/17 07:23 PM
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Pretty much all I use is Burris Signature here as well. Weaver/Picatinny Style and only because that with the correct base this eliminates all issues with scope position relative to the ring spacing and eye relief.
Not saying they are better but this is the system I use across about all my guns and has always worked well. In particular with swapping scopes around on rifles, etc. So I try and run a lot of the same hardware. I prefer them too unless I'm going light, and then it's Talley Lightweights.I also use the Sako Optilock Ringmounts which have the insert just like the Burris Signatures. I actually had my first rings with inserts with the Sako ringmounts and liked them so much I started using the Burris rings. Hmmm think I'm going to order me some for my Nosler...
How many people am i willing to sacrifice for freedom? Everyone. All of them...
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: deadeye]
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07/06/17 04:49 AM
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I'm pretty anal about mounting my scopes. First I optically center my reticle by turning the windage and elevation one direction until it stops then counting the clicks back around until it stops again. Then dividing by two and counting back in that many clicks.
if you dont have the insert adjustments, this isnt neccesary is it?
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: deadeye]
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07/06/17 05:03 AM
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I'm pretty anal about mounting my scopes. First I optically center my reticle by turning the windage and elevation one direction until it stops then counting the clicks back around until it stops again. Then dividing by two and counting back in that many clicks. I then attach my bases and properly torque with a wheeler torque driver. Then attach my Burris Signature rings (I always grease the front ring where it cams into the base)with the plastic inserts with no correction, place the scope in the rings and boresight. If much correction is needed I do it with the ring plastic inserts (+5/-5, etc.), check and adjust the reticle for canting and adjust eye relief, torque the screws then shoot for final adjustment using the scope internal adjustments. Be sure to purchase the additional Burris adjustment plastic insert kit.
For Leupold rings I have a 1" solid aluminum round bar about 24" long I use to key in the front ring and align the frt ring with the barrel. This is key for the Leupold rings.
You can also easily center your reticle by placing the objective end against a mirror and adjusting until both images of the reticle are aligned.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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07/06/17 07:16 AM
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I'm pretty anal about mounting my scopes. First I optically center my reticle by turning the windage and elevation one direction until it stops then counting the clicks back around until it stops again. Then dividing by two and counting back in that many clicks. I then attach my bases and properly torque with a wheeler torque driver. Then attach my Burris Signature rings (I always grease the front ring where it cams into the base)with the plastic inserts with no correction, place the scope in the rings and boresight. If much correction is needed I do it with the ring plastic inserts (+5/-5, etc.), check and adjust the reticle for canting and adjust eye relief, torque the screws then shoot for final adjustment using the scope internal adjustments. Be sure to purchase the additional Burris adjustment plastic insert kit.
For Leupold rings I have a 1" solid aluminum round bar about 24" long I use to key in the front ring and align the frt ring with the barrel. This is key for the Leupold rings.
You can also easily center your reticle by placing the objective end against a mirror and adjusting until both images of the reticle are aligned. I will try that. Thanks
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: Rebelman]
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07/06/17 05:33 PM
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Thanks R_H_Clark, the mirror trick works great.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: deadeye]
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07/07/17 05:06 AM
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Thanks R_H_Clark, the mirror trick works great. You're very welcome my friend.
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Re: Installing a scope the right way.
[Re: garyo]
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07/26/17 07:18 AM
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level rifle, a plumb bob, set eye relief, good to go. Where do you level the rifle with the scope on? I would like to try that method but I can't find a good spot to level with the scope on,nor have I ever had a rest-vice set up good enough that the rifle would stay level while you mounted the scope,if you had leveled it off the mounts.
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