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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 05:08 AM
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She also joked that everybody in the county has asked her to hunt. Which substantiates my point--when you get asked by everybody, you basically have to allow nobody. This is true, too.
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 05:24 AM
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I've been reading a few books on hunting recently, with the latest being "Whitetail Access" by Chris Eberhart. He talks about hunting cheaply, but most of his hunting consists of private land. In the last chapter I read, he talks about how he is worried that hunting is going the way of the English; being for the wealthy. When I had my visit with Tom Kelly, we talked about the access to hunting land. His opinion was that basically within our children's lifetime, hunting will be only for the privileged and wealthy, much like England. I actually could see that happening in 2 more generations. Dr. B
AKA: “Dr. B” Aldeer #121 8-3-2000 Proud alum of AUM, UAB, and UA Member of Team 10 Point 2023-2024 ALdeer Deer Contest Winners
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 05:45 AM
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I have been told that anything "free" loses value to those using it. Only property that people have invested in will be worth anything. Don't expect someone else to provide something you want . Would you prefer a version of the ACA, or AFFORDABLE HUNTOING ACT ? I personally don't want a single provider hunting land option. Then I would get priced out.
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 05:51 AM
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In the Mid-west often the WMA's are better or as good as private land. The hunters don't kill as many young deer as done here. The farmers lease their farms to the state for hunting. Most of them are not as good a hunter as hunters here.
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 06:02 AM
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The land is not free even for the landowners. Property taxes go up every year so I can't blame landowners for charging for hunting rights if they need the money.
Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 07:23 AM
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The land is not free even for the landowners. Property taxes go up every year so I can't blame landowners for charging for hunting rights if they need the money. Yep. And even if I was offered land to hunt for free, I'd probably spend lots of dollars to maintain and improve it for mine and the owner's benefit. If some little old lady was your Grandmother, would you want guys hunting her place for free. I think a few bucks per acre is fair and reasonable.
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 08:28 AM
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Years ago when I was in my early twenties, people would ride, hunt and do whatever on the pipelines back home in NW Florida. Well, a guy I grew up with went out there with a bunch of buddies drinking and set several hundred thousand dollars worth of earth moving equipment on fire "for fun". Shortly after, the dirt road that allowed access was mounded over and they completely restricted access. One idiot in a million screws it up for everyone.
"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him." -G. K. Chesterton
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 08:42 AM
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The examples provided by MarksOutdoors and EHH are just two of many and why a lot of landowners say, "No" when asked. They fear that stupid chit will eventually happen or the guest will violate intentionally or accidentally one of the requests/requirements for permission to be there.
It used to be "Close the gates, don't let the cows out, keep only what you need" and you'd offer to help around the property, take them some ducks or deer or fish or whatever, make damned sure the gate was closed and locked or bolted, and you always stopped by to say thank you when you were done.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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The examples provided by MarksOutdoors and EHH are just two of many and why a lot of landowners say, "No" when asked. They fear that stupid chit will eventually happen or the guest will violate intentionally or accidentally one of the requests/requirements for permission to be there.
It used to be "Close the gates, don't let the cows out, keep only what you need" and you'd offer to help around the property, take them some ducks or deer or fish or whatever, make damned sure the gate was closed and locked or bolted, and you always stopped by to say thank you when you were done.
Plus all the sue happy people in this world. If they got hurt on your land whether their fault or not they can own you
Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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As others have said, its simple supply demand. Most don't realize, but in the last 65 years the population of the united states has DOUBLED. Even with a drop in the percentage of people that hunt, there probably hasn't been a drop in the number of hunters. I could be wrong on that, just a WAG.
"The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. - Finn Aagard
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 11:50 AM
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l have a buddy that is a master at getting permission on little private honey holes. He has the golden touch, no doubt!
Originally Posted By: Wiley Coyote Well, the way I see it is there's just too many assholes On a good day there's a bunch of assholes in here. On a bad day there's too many assholes in here.
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 11:53 AM
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Yep I hunt 120 acres around my house with an absentee land owner for free. In return I keep people from dumping trash and cooking meth in a old abandoned house on the property. I also assisted the timber cutters find corner posts and property lines. With a little Google stalking, and property tax map research you can find some land. Yup, this ^^^^ And again. Find an out of town or elderly land owner. I've got permission to hunt 600 acres near my house. And he initiated the talks.
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 12:55 PM
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Blame the State. We've got about the lowest amount of public land set aside in the country. How so? Find me one place in this state that is not within about an hour drive of thousands of acres of public hunting land. I would like to know this as well. Just look at Oak Mtn St Park. You can join the Bow Hunters Association and hunt for $3.00 a day I think. And that could be the highest population of deer in the state. Remember bringing in the night hunters with rumors of killing thousands? Now you have to work for it to kill one.
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 01:01 PM
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In my nearly 20 years of doing "farm" insurance (I work with Alfa) I obviously make many relationships with many farmers and other large landowners. In all that time I've only had ONE farmer say YES I could hunt on his land. And even that guy apparently let everybody hunt there...heck it was worse than a WMA. The common denominator with all the NO's is that they hunt themselves, or their family hunts it. Literally, every-dang-human in Alabama apparently hunts. I have a lady near Talladega, AL who owns 800 acres (about half pasture and the rest small pines). She's 77 years old, widowed for years now. There are always turkeys in her pasture, and I "jokingly" asked her about letting me hunt those turkeys and she said "My grandDAUGHTERS would be so mad, they hunt those turkeys!" She also joked that everybody in the county has asked her to hunt. Which substantiates my point--when you get asked by everybody, you basically have to allow nobody. Wonder if I know her. I bet they bought pumpkins from my granddaddy. That could be your in!
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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06/23/17 01:40 PM
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Gone for good in Jackson County I'm afraid.
"Why do you ask"?
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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You can get access, killed 3 turkeys this year on a 80 acre plot im allowed to hunt. But I started with over 300 acres to hunt, then 250 of it got leased and I couldbt pay it. So I got the 80 acres. But Im happy to have it, and will be giving the wife a flower bouquet and the husband a jar of homemade bread and butter pickles.
I believe that this is a practical world and that I can count only on what I earn. Therefore I believe in work, hard work. -George Petrie (1945)
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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Blame the State. We've got about the lowest amount of public land set aside in the country. How so? Find me one place in this state that is not within about an hour drive of thousands of acres of public hunting land. Based on percentage of land in the state designated Public access to hunting, it is about 7% of all land in Alabama. It is one of the lowest in all of the US. Steven Rinella's book "The Complete Guide To Hunting, Butchering, and Cooking Wild Game: Volume 1" covers it in more detail in regard to where Alabama ranks among other states.
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Re: Are the days of "free" private hunting land gone?
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Helmet on for the onslaught of rebuke I'll get for this (always do), but it's very simply a matter of supply and demand. When I hear people these days pleading about "we must get our children into hunting or we're gonna lose the sport" I bug my eyes out and burst into laughter!!! Everybody hunts, and all the land is leased.
Similarly, try taking your bass boat to any lake on a Saturday now. And the fishing isn't as good anywhere as it used to be because every fish has a dozen hook holes in it's lips and has been dragged to the other end of the lake in a livewell. It's pretty much the same with deer hunting....few people will say that hunting is as good today as it used to be. I fish after work on weekdays. Guntersville is a madhouse on the weekends. I need to do a little recon and find some out of the way spots, but not sure they exist.
“Killing tomorrow’s trophies today.”
On the distance I like to walk to my stands: “The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
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