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Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2119626 05/21/17 04:13 PM 05/21/17 04:13 PM
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257wbymag Boo Boo Head Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama	Originally Posted By: DAX Isn't palmer one of the worst gly resistant weeds. Any of them are bad. Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2119760 05/22/17 01:49 AM 05/22/17 01:49 AM
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Cynical 6 point C Joined: Nov 2016 Posts: 804 Lower AL	Originally Posted By: DAX From now on I play to just spray gly with no pre emergent and come back and spray select and flexstar as needed. If I do use a pre it will be dual magnum. . . . If you plow the ground and broadcast I would spray generic dual magnum pre and you want have any grass if you get a good stand in a couple months and same thing with prowl. Dual just seems to last longer but prowl is good with no till situations because you just need rain to incorporate it into the soil. You can also you prowl on just about any thing including sunn hemp. I don't have experience with Prowl but have had good results with dual magnum. If there is grass in ththe field dual does a great job. I haven't tried dual with sunn hemp but I know it isn't labeled for it specifically. Might have to give prowl a try next year. I also use generics so it might just come down to cost. Now that I see prowl is labeled for sorghum I think I will try to use it instead of dual. Sorghum has been the holdup for me in summer plots where sorghum is in my mix because I can't spray dual in those fields. There is a hugely noticeable grass competition in the fields with no preemergent vs the ones sprayed with dual. Last edited by Cynical; 05/22/17 01:54 AM.

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2119941 05/22/17 06:59 AM 05/22/17 06:59 AM
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DAX OP 4 point D Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 384 The triangle Bullock county an...	Prowl is probably the best pre emergent for seed mixes no doubt. I used stealth from Loveland products it was 80 bucks. Dual is a better but like I said it needs to be incorporated to do well and prowl doesn't. So prowl would be the choice for one pass burn down for no till situations. If I was disking and broad casting beans and peas I would use dual a mix with sunn hemp, sorghum, and so on prowl. I'm am not a chemical professional by no means I just have a lot of trial and error experience. Prowl is also a great pre for chufas.

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2119945 05/22/17 07:01 AM 05/22/17 07:01 AM
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DAX OP 4 point D Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 384 The triangle Bullock county an...	Don't plant on wet ground with Prowl applied let it dry

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2119973 05/22/17 07:28 AM 05/22/17 07:28 AM
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DAX OP 4 point D Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 384 The triangle Bullock county an...	Has any one had success spraying dual magnum with out incorporating? If it ever stops raining I plan on spraying my burn down on my big field it's 25 acres of prairie gumbo and chalk gumbo. I had a lot of issues in this field with morning glory, hemp sesbania, Johnson grass and so on. I am open to any suggestions for control in non GMO beans. The field looks good now it's mostly clovers and non problematic weeds with last year's hemp sesbania stalks standing 10 foot tall. I was just going to spray gly let it die and drill and then fight the problems.

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2119994 05/22/17 07:47 AM 05/22/17 07:47 AM
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Cynical 6 point C Joined: Nov 2016 Posts: 804 Lower AL	I burned down with gly just over two weeks before planting. In the spray with gly I mixed dual. I did not incorporate and drilled into the burned residue. I can see where the dual is working. The other side of the same field I left out dual and the grassy weeds are smoking my mix of peas, sorghum, sunn hemp, buckwheat & sunflower (petcher seeds "wildlife mix"). This is in Georgiana, with a mostly fine soil but not sandy. Fine gray soil. The area sprayed with dual has corn, peas, Tyrone soybeans, and sunflowers and they all seem to be doing well at two weeks post-planting. So I guess that's a success? At home in my garden dual does not work well, which I attribute to very sandy soil and not a lot of organic residue. My only beef with prowl which I will have to adjust for if I use it, is that I will need to have my corn in the ground first in fields where my plot mix has corn.

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2120048 05/22/17 09:27 AM 05/22/17 09:27 AM
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DAX OP 4 point D Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 384 The triangle Bullock county an...	Good info thanks. That's another thing dual is more suitable for fine soil then prowl but prowl does good in Sandy soil with lower rates. You have to pour the coal to fine soil with prowl but 1.33 pints of dual no matter the soil. If I planted corn and beans together they would have to be round up ready or the weeds would get me due to lack of herbicide options. I have stopped planting corn due to my neighbors cows I think they can smell it or something. I had the best corn crop ever a few years back ears as big as your forearm on about 40 acres and about 60 cows got into it in September and eat it to the ground. It's was about as mad as I've ever been especially when the jackass blamed me for planting corn on my place.

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2120054 05/22/17 09:31 AM 05/22/17 09:31 AM
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DAX OP 4 point D Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 384 The triangle Bullock county an...	I was thinking about mixing Matador with my gly at burn down anyone ever used this? It's has dual and a broad leaf pre/residual and something else that helps with burn down.

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2120074 05/22/17 10:12 AM 05/22/17 10:12 AM
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DAX OP 4 point D Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 384 The triangle Bullock county an...	It's always a race to canopy for me once they do I turn the deer lose most of the time they are already browsing anyhow. I have big fields so I have come up with cheap ways to keep the deer out for a month or so witch is normally enough time for good establishment. Those that have smaller fields have it tuff like around my house. I can grow a small 3 acre bean field but I have to sacrifice that much or more and fence the beans I want to make to pull it off. To be honest it's stupid around my house way to many deer and I've gave up for the most part as far as management. I just don't have time to kill the number of does I need to anymore and it's only 400 acres hell I hardly hunt anymore period. Now fitzpatrick is a different story it's just right density wise and the size deer vs my house is amazing being that it's only 7 miles as a crow flies from my front porch. Don't get me wrong I have and have killed several 140/150 class deer in chinagrove but I had to work extremely hard do pull that off. If I never planted another bean or food plot I could do that every year in Fitzpatrick so it get most of my attention. If it wasn't for turkeys and the fact I live there I would possibly lease my place in chinagrove to the right guy.

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2120214 05/22/17 01:07 PM 05/22/17 01:07 PM
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257wbymag Boo Boo Head Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama	Authority MTZ is a fine product to add with metalochlor to aid in pre activity Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2120228 05/22/17 01:25 PM 05/22/17 01:25 PM
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CNC Dances With Weeds Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 21,755 Awbarn, AL	Originally Posted By: DAX It's always a race to canopy for me once they do I turn the deer lose most of the time they are already browsing anyhow. I have big fields so I have come up with cheap ways to keep the deer out for a month or so witch is normally enough time for good establishment. Those that have smaller fields have it tuff like around my house. I can grow a small 3 acre bean field but I have to sacrifice that much or more and fence the beans I want to make to pull it off. To be honest it's stupid around my house way to many deer and I've gave up for the most part as far as management. I just don't have time to kill the number of does I need to anymore and it's only 400 acres hell I hardly hunt anymore period. Now fitzpatrick is a different story it's just right density wise and the size deer vs my house is amazing being that it's only 7 miles as a crow flies from my front porch. Don't get me wrong I have and have killed several 140/150 class deer in chinagrove but I had to work extremely hard do pull that off. If I never planted another bean or food plot I could do that every year in Fitzpatrick so it get most of my attention. If it wasn't for turkeys and the fact I live there I would possibly lease my place in chinagrove to the right guy. I blood track for a guy in Chinagrove that runs an outfitter business. He�s got several properties he runs hunters on but one them is a 900 acre tract along Panther Creek just to the south of Chinagrove. It looks like there�s plenty of deer around there for sure. Last edited by CNC; 05/22/17 01:26 PM. We dont rent pigs

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2120357 05/22/17 03:38 PM 05/22/17 03:38 PM
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Turkey_neck Booner Joined: Mar 2013 Posts: 14,621 Clanton	Well if you need some thinned out let me know. I like helping fellow hunters in need out. Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2120408 05/22/17 04:25 PM 05/22/17 04:25 PM
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DAX OP 4 point D Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 384 The triangle Bullock county an...	I tried to let folks shoot does but the next thing I knew the does started to grow horns. CNC I bet those knuckle heads keep you busy.

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2120420 05/22/17 04:37 PM 05/22/17 04:37 PM
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DAX OP 4 point D Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 384 The triangle Bullock county an...	257 I'm going to check in to MTZ I've heard of it but haven't done any research and I'm trying to keep cost down. I also would like to to do a one pass burn down and pre mix for no till. It's hard because I have so many different fields with different soils and weeds variations.

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2120434 05/22/17 04:46 PM 05/22/17 04:46 PM
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257wbymag Boo Boo Head Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama	You can buy generic metribuzin and make a very good mixture with it plus dual. That's the mtz part of authority mtz. Also sulfentrazone products work well. Don't overlook valor sx for burndown plus a pre Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2120665 05/23/17 04:18 AM 05/23/17 04:18 AM
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DAX OP 4 point D Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 384 The triangle Bullock county an...	Thanks

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2121432 05/24/17 01:55 AM 05/24/17 01:55 AM
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Flat Iron spike F Joined: May 2009 Posts: 59 Fairhope Alabama	DAX Quick question ! Have you ever used Grain Elevator Soybeans that are sold by the ton ? I found a source in Louisiana along the MS. River that sells them by the ton. You think those would germinate with the right soil and planting environments? A famous PA Turkey Call Maker once said " When the Dogwood is White the time is right "

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: Flat Iron] #2121525 05/24/17 03:45 AM 05/24/17 03:45 AM
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Remington270 Freak of Nature R Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 21,782 USA	Originally Posted By: Flat Iron DAX Quick question ! Have you ever used Grain Elevator Soybeans that are sold by the ton ? I found a source in Louisiana along the MS. River that sells them by the ton. You think those would germinate with the right soil and planting environments? They germinate in the field after harvest, so, yeah.

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2121539 05/24/17 03:58 AM 05/24/17 03:58 AM
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257wbymag Boo Boo Head Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 38,489 N. Bama	Elevator run beans would violate replant policies but if you did you're taking chance of many different maturities mixed and possible mixed traits. Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias

Re: Non GMO forage bean experiment [Re: DAX] #2121673 05/24/17 05:58 AM 05/24/17 05:58 AM
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DAX OP 4 point D Joined: Jun 2016 Posts: 384 The triangle Bullock county an...	That seems like a lot of trouble to go through to get 60 acres worth of beans to plant. Like I said in most of my fields only forage beans would survive the deer so that would also be a problem. I have found from years of experience that cultivator beans are not what I want to plant. The number one reason is the hull will shatter during the winter on most of them if you are lucky enough to make beans anyhow. The forage varieties I plant have a shatter resistant shells that is very important as I have found my deer clean them out starting in February. That is the game changer and what makes beans a cut above for growing deer. If done right and planted early beans will give you 2 forage seasons that nothing else you can plant can complete with. I sacrifice fall attraction for maximum growth and yield. One more thing a farmer planting beans and harvesting them in fall is no comparison to what I'm talking about because the dry bean is just as important as the green leaf.

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