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Worse than getting kicked in the stomach #2093667
04/21/17 02:54 AM
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I was checking my hives weekend before last and I was pretty certain that I found American Foulbrood just starting in one of my hives. I called the state inspector and when he came out he said that I'd either caught it earlier than anyone he'd ever seen, or that wasn't what it was. Unfortunately, I was right. Here's the treatment for it:





Worst part is now I think it's spread to 2 other hives sitting next to the infected one.


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Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2093677
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I'm assuming you light it up bees and all?

damnittman, sorry to hear(and see) that.


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Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2093687
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Yep, bees and all. Taped it shut and together with duct tape to make sure none could get out. I know they're just bugs but they're livestock to me. Sort of sad to hear them all fanning trying to cool the hive off after I set it on fire.


If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2093706
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I am so sorry. That is so sad. I hope you're wrong about the other two.


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Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2093708
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Wow! That really is awful...was not sure about exactly what that meant so I read up on it and that is a nasty disease for the bees. So sorry you lost those hives.


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Dang I hate that

Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2094106
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Thanks for all the condolences. One bright spot today, is that a swarm moved in a trap I have at the shop, so I hopefully am gaining the start of a hive back. They should stay, but they may not. Too early to tell.

I'm about to go test the other two. I don't have much hope that they'll be clean. If they're not, they'll get burned tonight.


If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2094214
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I had never heard about that stuff. There is a LOT more to bees than just buzzin. Sounds like you would have to completely change to new equipment and locations for the hives if what I read is correct.

Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2094221
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The two other hives that I suspected of being positive, show up being postive according to the Holst Milk test. It's been a long day and I don't remember if I posted this in the original post but the USDA lab that tests for AFB in Beltsville, MD is closed indefinitely due to a staffing cut, I guess. There's no way that I can get a 100% definite yes or no, so I've just got to go off gut instinct, inspectors experience and an old timey test using powdered milk.

Another, bigger bonfire tonight. This is getting very expensive in a hurry.

The test tube on the left contains rehydrated powdered milk with the brown goopy larvae swirled in it. The test tube on the right is my "control" with the original milk solution in it. It's supposed to take 15-20 minutes for the solution to clear if it's positive. I could tell in 10 minutes it was headed that way. Picture was taken 20-25 minutes after innoculating.



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Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: timbercruiser] #2094223
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
I had never heard about that stuff. There is a LOT more to bees than just buzzin. Sounds like you would have to completely change to new equipment and locations for the hives if what I read is correct.


Changing equipment won't help with AFB. It will help considerably with European Foulbrood. AFB is a burn the hive situation. EFB is a shake them out onto new frames and treat situation.


If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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Oh man, I really feel for you.....so sorry you are experiencing this!!


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I sure hate that Fur. I know how pricey it is but I understand the attachment as well. When you spend all that time watching the grow into a full hive it sure hurts when you lose one that way.


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Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2094415
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Nothing worse than to work so hard at something then have to destroy it. Sorry to hear about this.

Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2094429
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Those spores sound a little like CWD, one site said they might be viable for 40 years. That is what I meant about changing locations, I wouldn't think you could put another hive in the same area again.

Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2094553
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CWD is caused by a prion, AFB is caused by a spore forming bacteria. It only lives in beehives so when the infected hives are burned so when the equipment is gone, it's gone. Only problem is that I don't know where it originally came from.


If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
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One of the snippits I read indicated it might stay in the grass or ground, I have no idea.

Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2095016
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What does it look like? Did you take pictures? What do you look for?


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Originally Posted By: pcamper
What does it look like? Did you take pictures? What do you look for?


If'n I can get photobucket to cooperate, I'll post some pictures. I've been trying to load some pictures on to photobucket since Friday night.


If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14
Re: Worse than getting kicked in the stomach [Re: FurFlyin] #2095564
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Man i sure hate all that's going on with you bee's fur. Hopefully you can find the cause. Good luck bud


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This is the middle frame of brood in my strongest hive. No problems, right?



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