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Yote article from GON. #2068802
03/24/17 04:32 PM
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Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!

If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!

Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2068813
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So, the same geniuses that told us for 20 years that "you can't kill too many does" are realizing you can, and blaming their failure on coyotes. laugh

I don't deny that coyotes play a role in killing deer, but the doe slaughter has also been a huge part of it.

Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2068828
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Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!

If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!

Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2068885
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Dang harvest at ft Rucker is alarming. I remember Dr. Ditchkoff saying a few years ago while I was at auburn that the whole concept of making sure to shoot enough does might be something that has been adhered to so great that it's having an impact coupled with the yotes

Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2068972
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Common sense just ain't very common in wildlife management. I don't believe there is any other branch of science that is so often wrong about what it teaches as "facts."

I guess it's because it's so hard to carry out truly valid research on wild animals. A small study is done somewhere and reaches a conclusion and everyone in the field jumps on it and tries to apply it everywhere. And it's only years later that they realize they were wrong.


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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #2069805
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Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher
Common sense just ain't very common in wildlife management. I don't believe there is any other branch of science that is so often wrong about what it teaches as "facts."

I guess it's because it's so hard to carry out truly valid research on wild animals. A small study is done somewhere and reaches a conclusion and everyone in the field jumps on it and tries to apply it everywhere. And it's only years later that they realize they were wrong.


And you're classified as an idiot that knows nothing about wildlife if you have observed something that contradicts the study. But if I have no info myself, I will refer to their studies until proven otherwise.

As far as coyotes, they couldn't have known the impact. I'm not justifying the doe killing but I have been with this from the beginning this round of coyotes in Alabama. At first they were interesting and a novelty. Then about the mid 90's their impact started to show. Has only gotten worse. No one saw it coming to this. We learned. Sadly the state are slow learners and even slower to respond. Now here we are. NO ONE 35 years ago would have thought the coyotes would/,could do this. Throw in hunters, car collisions, disease, natural mortality, etc. has really hurt some areas population.

Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2069960
03/26/17 05:59 AM
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Coyotes get the blame for killing animals because they are often observed eating the carcass. A coyote is just a 4 legged buzzard. They rarely kill anything. They are avid scavengers.


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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: Out back] #2070004
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Originally Posted By: Out back
Coyotes get the blame for killing animals because they are often observed eating the carcass. A coyote is just a 4 legged buzzard. They rarely kill anything. They are avid scavengers.


I have to disagree. They kill often, namely mice and moles. They will stay after these two until they get'em and is probably their #1 year round food source that isn't scavenged. If they get lucky they will catch a squirrel, rabbit, or bird. When fawns hit the ground they will hammer them. Catching an adult healthy deer is possible but not as likely. But, as you said, they do scavenge a lot also. We have discussed the Ft. Rucker study on here before. The coyotes destroyed the fawns in the study. Why they were able to do it there is debatable.

Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: Out back] #2070022
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Originally Posted By: Out back
Coyotes get the blame for killing animals because they are often observed eating the carcass. A coyote is just a 4 legged buzzard. They rarely kill anything. They are avid scavengers.


damn boy, did you just say that out loud?????

yotes KILL the living chitt out of fawns, every county, every year, every chance they get.


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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2070040
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Year before last I had a young buck get taken down in my food plot by yotes. You could see where the struggle had occurred for 50-60 yards across the plot as the yotes tore white hair from his hind end. There was a whole trail of white hair and scuffed up dirt leading to the half eaten carcass. I saw another really similar site out here this last year with a long line of white hair but no deer. I figure it must have escaped the attack or they eventually took it down farther away. It actually looked like they had attacked the deer while it was working a scrape. That's where the hair trail started.

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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2070058
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yotes can, and do, kill adult does and bucks. Anyone who says different is a blind eyed idot. Do they kill a lot?? DamnifinIknow. Do they kill a LOT of fawns?? Hail yea they do.


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2070072
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I'd say just about any adult deer that gets weakened down by sickness or injury is a sitting duck for the yotes.


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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2070075
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You can see the trail of hair across the plot……..




….leading to the deer in the edge of the woods. I believe there was something wrong with this deer. I had been getting pics of him for a while and he looked really small and weak. Yotes eventually took him down.



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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: CNC] #2070091
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Originally Posted By: CNC
I'd say just about any adult deer that gets weakened down by sickness or injury is a sitting duck for the yotes.


They will kill some healthy ones also but they are animals of opportunity. They have more close encounter opportunities with the unhealthy it stands to reason. Winter is usually the toughest times for most animals but I have wondered if its not the best time for a coyote. They can eat fawns in the fall, hunter shot deer, gut piles and carcasses, and older weakened wildlife that winter claims. And don't think they won't eat corn right off the stalk. Seen that. I hate them SOB's.

Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2070132
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IMO coyotes and yard dogs are the main reason deer have never gained a foot hold in my area. We had coyotes before the state allowed deer to be stocked in this area. Still don't have a decent population of them. We finally got a barely huntable population and the infinite wisdom of the state extended us from 3 doe days one year, to 2 a day all season long the next and from then on, until they shortened it year before last.

Coyotes kill adult deer. Obviously the unhealthy ones are killed easiest but on more than one occasion I have seen healthy deer running through woods and across fields that had coyotes trailing them. Coyotes kill the piss out of fawns. That's just a fact.


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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2070174
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Something that article confirmed for me is the property manager , whom ever that might be, must " keep his finger on the pulse" of the herd.

The paragraph about fawning cover got me to thinking, does those areas in LA with low deer numbers have good fawning cover? How's vast acreages of pines for cover? I think it would only be good at certain stages of the plantation cycle.

I've often said that's one reason they do so well in our area, these hardwood mountains , with it's patchwork of different timber stages is great cover. In many areas void of cover managers want to create it some how, we don't need any more, we have plenty. smile



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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2070214
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Show me the evidence. Just because a bunch of auburn grad students caught some yotes eating dead fawns at ft rucker does not mean that coyotes kill the hell out of fawns. I spend more time in the woods than almost anybody I know. I find little evidence that yotes kill deer, any size deer. In fact, I find the greatest deer density areas to be the very places with the greatest number of coyotes. Explain that one, Jedi master Troy. I have walked outside in my backyard (which is several hundred acres of woods) and watched a pack of coyotes waltzing past several feeding deer. The deer pay them little attention. I'm not defending coyotes, but I challenge anyone to show me proof positive that they "kill the hell out of fawns" anywhere.

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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2070218
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If your deer numbers are declining, its one of two things. Too many hunters killing too many deer (or) too many hogs vacuuming up the winter food source.


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Re: Yote article from GON. [Re: perchjerker] #2070234
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You can monitor fawn recruitment rates through visual sightings of club members and then compare the rate pre-trapping and post-trapping to gauge the effect yotes are having. I think Elkhunter reported that his club doubled fawn recruitment rates after intensive trapping. Wouldn't that be proof that yotes were having an impact?

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Obviously your mind is made up even though you are wrong. Many studies on this. I like all studies done in Alabama because I just feel its more of what we have. One of the more interesting studies to me was John Kilgo in South Carolina. 2 things stood out to me was up to 75% fawns died by coyotes is some areas and if a fawn can make it to one week old their survival rate increase drastically. As far as coyotes be more prevelant with higher deer numbers, that has been addressed also in studies. Coyotes move to the food. Food makes them healthier. Healthier coyotes have bigger litters and higher pup survival. That one is really just common sense. Same as domestic hogs will out perform wild hogs due to vaccines and food.

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