I voted for the lesser of two evils like many others on here. What I didn't vote for was the same old "line your pockets" way of doing business in D.C.

This legislation about to be force-voted on cannot even be accessed by the layman, and in most instances, even the legislators outside the guarded inner circle.

I'm interested to see not only what's in it, but how much and what kind of considerations and gratuities that have been offered to the proponents of this, and who the players really are.

I didn't vote for a dictator, and this guy better wise up quick. He doesn't set the agenda of Congress nor demand timelines to their goings-on.

My vote was to destroy RINOs, yet here they are, alive and well.

I think he's done pretty well up to this point, but this one item is puzzling in the way it is being pushed.

I hope this thing crashes and burns, and we get some REAL legislation that is truly market-driven and competitive:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/U...-03-24-05-52-03

Krauthammer has been beating the drum for weeks on this thing, if you care to research it.

Been following this closely. Thankfully the Freedom Caucus seems to be bucking the establishment on this one.

If (and hopefully WHEN) it fails, you can bet that the dissenting Republicans will be vilified by the "ALL-TRUMP-ALL-THE-TIME" crowd.

I see an independent having a good shot at the next election. Democrats and Republicans are both disappointing their constituents.

His approval ratings are gonna suffer

I like the way you think

I too applaud Rand Paul. I do hope it passes the House and the Senate gets a chance to change it. Ryan is worthless. as long as his hands are on it he will protect it since his name is on it. He has been in politics 18 years and has only passed three pieces of legislation. He needs to step down. I agree with the President, the thing to do it leave Obama Care as it is. Let it fail, then the Dems would come crawling. Schumer constantly says it won't fail. Any idiot can see it has. Insurance companies are pulling out. The only folks screaming to keep Obamacare are the ones getting it for free. I don't agree everyone should be provided insurance without paying. The only thing that can drive prices down is competition. This is something else the Government should not have got their hands on. This isn't TRUMPs health care. It's Congresses job to write laws. It's Paul Ryans baby, plain and simple. We can only blame Congress because nothing better was proposed.

I've been following this closely and what hasn't been promoted in the news is that President Trump has said on a number of occasions that they should delay this and let Obamacare fail. Then the Dems will own it and Republicans can pass what needs to be done.

They took a bad idea and managed to make it worse. Congress needs to decide if healthcare is a privilege or a right and act accordingly.

YES!

I'm tired of this "replacement" crap. Repeal everything, mandate that all states allow interstate competition, and let it go.

I never noticed it was a right either Texas. More Government trying to control all aspects. It is not right to make taxpayers provide health care for folks that never worked. It also sucks paying for illegals or any immigrant that does not work.

My contractual retiree insurance from my last corporate job is Blue Cross with a low deductible, low co-pays, and low premiums. It pays very well.

All that could change on the next contract cycle when my former company and union negotiate a new contract.

If I had to pay real-world prices under Obamacare or RINOcare, I don't know what changes I would have to make in my finances, but I'm sure it would get my attention.

I wouldn't mind ONE BIT being able to shop and purchase insurance from a competitive marketplace, a la carte. I don't plan on getting pregnant anytime soon or having a gay partner that drives up prices for risky behavior, for instance.

Well, the bill was withdrawn due to lack of votes in the house.

Let the finger pointing begin...

These s.o.b.'s have had 7 years to construct a healthcare bill that all Republicans could/would support. What have they done ? Nothing .

There were other bills written, that jerk Ryan killed them in favor of his claim to fame. It failed and I hope people note how worthless he is. One of the main reasons they are in no hurry is they don't live under the laws we do. They have their own health plan. That and their retirement needs to be abolished.

Common sense is hard on these folks. I would cringe every time I heard Trump say replace. Why replace it? Just get out of it all together.

repeal the damn obamacare

do not replace it.

Exactly! Did anyone really think that the protected class was going to do something to actually help the working class?

The bill is garbage and needs to disappear. I'm not really happy with Trump over this either....missing a real opportunity to fix the Obamacare mess.....but no. He is not handling this well at all!!!!!

Ryan, well y'all already know he is worthless.

The whole Repeal and Replace is a smokescreen. How about a full repeal. Then separately fix some of the insurance issues that need to be fixed. Then if there are groups of people without adequate medical care or ways to pay for their care....do something for them to get better access and help out on costs if possible---BUT leave the rest of us alone!

Huh? Trump said he would actively campaign against any Republican who didn't vote for this bill. Ryan might have authored it but this is the bill Trump wants. Otherwise, he wouldn't be putting so much pressure on guys like Rand who oppose it.

Full and complete privatization is the only thing I support. I don't need a Government minder with me in my Physician's office. I'm almost to the point that I'm ready for this entire government in it's present form to fail. This is NOT what the framers of the Constitution had in mind at all.

Dang right Deadwood. Nowhere in the Constitution does it give the federal government authority over healthcare. The GOP still has a chance to do right and repeal and deregulate the insurance markets, but I doubt they do anything close to that.

Today demoncrats and dirty stinking Rino's made more money than they will ever spend in their life time ,,so much money in fact that their future family generations will live an extravagant life style till the end of time. George Soros must be laughing his ass off.

I believe Trump did all he could do and now we must sit and watch the ACA die a horrible death ,, maybe then we can get a health care law passed that truly will be good for all the people...

What else could Trump have done ?????

You're right Mike. The President doesn't write bills. He trusted Ryan to do what was best for Americans. I do disagree with him not asking Ryan to step down as Speaker. Ryan like McCain is still butthurt over his failed Presidental bid. Trump accepted the blame, good man. Sooner or later Ryan has to go. I think Trump knows it and is trying not to alert the rhinos of his plans to pull the plug on the swamp.

Man, I hope your read on this is right, Perch, so far as the deflation of the RINO party.

I voted for Trump because I like what he said, I like him. I dont see the healthcare bill as a big deal. Let Obamacare explode. We dont need socialized medicine of ANY kind. I'm tired of paying for other peoples needs. I think they played it well actually.

Who played it well, the ones pushing it or the few Conservatives that are against it? The healthcare bill is a big deal to me. It doesn't have to be fixed today, but I don't think waiting for Obamacare to implode is the answer. That could be a few more years of ever rising costs for those of us that have to pay for it

I voted against Hillary and RINO's too.

I’m tired of hearing Trump talk 10 lbs of bullchit everytime he gets on a hot mike…BUT…..I think he did this on purpose so that the extreme right would have every free reign opportunity they wanted to repeal Obamacare knowing that it would fail. Now he’s gonna come back with a more middle of the road approach to simply fixing the bad things about Obamacare that will include the Democrats. The extreme right will not be able to say anything at this point because he’ll say “Y’all had your chance, now we’re gonna play the hand that will have the votes.” I’ve been thinking that in the back on my mind and then sure enough when he spoke today the first thing he started doing after his initial “posturing” was to start hinting around at eventually passing something that included both sides. That’s where were headed I believe…..middle of the road fixes. They need to do something. They jacked it up for us folks in the middle. Our healthcare has went WAY up over the last few years.

Let's not forget.... He likes Ketchup on his well done steaks... ...

Well, I agree except the fact that we WILL end up with a single-payer, government run and controlled health system. You will pay your full premiums to Uncle Sam, not just a penalty, as surely as you pay taxes to the IRS. The government will always step in to save us sheep from ourselves, you know.

A doubling of the taxes you pay, compliments of Chief Justice John Roberts and the crooked congress of both parties.

Little by little we have gone from one income supporting an entire family easily to two incomes that wouldn't cover the essential household bills, then 30 year mortgages, now two taxes per earner.

Privatization or nothing for me, thanks.

What did we have before Obamacare?

Choices made by you for your coverage as a working man and emergency rooms full of blacks for sore throats with no intention of ever paying a nickel and breeding like roaches on Medicaid.

Wasn't our original problem the "Baby Boom" generation approaching senior citizen age and us not having enough working class people paying the taxes for them to be covered under Medicaid or SS?

If I woke up tomorrow morning to a headline that read " Paul Ryan aka Barak Hussein Obama Jr has died" I'd throw a big damn party. Carry on.

I'm glad it failed

I don't know what you had, but I had health insurance that was about 1/3 what I pay now. And I work for a freaking hospital. And since my wife has a job and her employer provides a crappy healthcare plan, my employer has kicked off spouses from our plan if they have a job. They also increased my premiums more than others based on my income. I'm fortunate that we can afford our healthcare, but I'd rather be putting $1200/month towards something else. I just feel like these clowns should have already had an agreeable plan to fix our healthcare regardless rather it was Trump or any of the other Republican candidates. I surely don't have all the answers, but I would trust whatever those conservatives like Rand Paul suggests before I would those ass wipes like Paul Ryan and his crew.

THIS^^^. The Republican puzzies in Congress once again showed they do not have the balls to do what needs to be done. Everyone trying to get their own agenda addressed in the bill and it ends up being a worthless piece of garbage that nobody wants. SSDD in the DC.

Me too

Health insurance needs to be more like car insurance or a powertrain warranty:
Big things covered. Regular maintenance and minor issues not covered.

Not covered:
Oil change
Regular maintenance items
New battery
New tires because others are worn
Light/lamp bulbs
Rip in seat
Etc...

For health insurance the same concept should be in place:

Not covered:
Routine preventive care
Dr visits for common colds, bugs, virus, etc.
All the little stuff

Health insurance needs to be there for MAJOR MEDICAL CARE only. Health savings accounts for all the little stuff. This approach plus opening interstate commerce for insurance companies would drastically decrease insurance costs and put people back to taking responsibility. More money in our pockets to pay for non-major medical needs.

Pipe dream I know, but still true.

That's not a bad idea.

Insurance...if we think about the term and what it means then we can see how it has gotten away from the intended purpose in health as compared to auto, home, etc...

Insuring against monetary loss based on an event occurring. Health insurance is far away from that structure today.

What was wrong with the system we had prior to obumercare? It wasn't perfect but it worked. Why can't they simply repeal obumercare entirely. Reset the whole damn thing to 2007 and leave it alone?

That's how it should work! Just like any other type of insurance. If you have a cold, you just pay the doctor out of pocket. It's just part of living expenses.

Thats Racist! (Which is what they will say and the Republicans will tuck-tail and run).

EXACTLY

health care by the government is NOT a right unless yer a socialist. and we are for sure leaning more and more that way every year.

Not that it matters;

"It's going to be - what my plan is is that I want to take care of everybody," Trump said. "I'm not going to leave the lower 20% that can't afford insurance."

“We’re going to have insurance for everybody,” Trump said. “There was a philosophy in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it. That’s not going to happen with us.” People covered under the law “can expect to have great health care. It will be in a much simplified form. Much less expensive and much better.”

Which we all know is impossible.

Other countries have more homogenous cultures and peoples, much smaller populations, do not have America's history of individualism, self responsibility, constitutional principles, not to mention a massive large underclass of minorities that hate the original host culture/people/principles and who refuse to be responsible for themselves, not to mention a large underclass of people who are of the original host culture who also refuse to take responsibility for themselves.

So it is a very difficult problem.

And I will be clear on this: I absolutely do not want to pay for anyone else's health care and I absolutely do not want government runt health care.


The only solution from the liberal socialist perspective (which I reject) is expanded Medicaid.

The problem with expanded Medicaid is that it encourages and perpetuates the main cause of poverty (and crime): OUT OF WEDLOCK CHILDBIRTH!!!


Out of wedlock childbirth is destroying this country.

So is the massive divorce rate.

*****

1. totally repeal Obamacare/ACA and all its 60,000 pages of regulations.


2. keep the pre-existing condition law.

3. keep the "kids" on parents' policy until 25 law.

4. Phase out the Federal exchange over 2 years.

5. Repeal the ban on interstate sale of health insurance!
health insurance should be like home and auto insurance - maximum competition. And as folks like Straycat have mentioned - we need to see health insurance as something for major medical purposes, not something that pays for routine health care stuff.

6. And this is the hard part: what to do with the irresponsible people who cannot or will not provide for themselves. Frankly, we may have to just put them on Medicaid for major medical purposes, but at the same time we must have a national campaign against out of wedlock childbirth and provide free birth control pills.

WmHunter, there is iron in your words in your post above.

I dislike paying for or contributing to others that have made poor or irresponsible choices. I also dislike paying for other peoples progeny that they decided to create but didn't have the resources or self control to plan for financially.

Public schools and the taxes that I pay for them are another pain in my butt that comes to mind.

Stop breeding if you can't pay your own way. That's as simple as I can phrase it.

So far as your statement about Medicaid children, there was an article on Drudge that I read that gave the eye-popping percentages of those births by State:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/24-states-50-babies-born-medicaid

x1000

Another increase and I reckon I'm gonna drop coverage.

here is the thing that pisses me off, several times, under Obama, the house repealed this crap knowing that their repeal would never go anywhere, now that it possibly could, they don't have the balls to repeal it.

Republicans voted to repeal it 60 damn times to be exact, knowing that they were just pissing up a rope. And this is all they can come up with in 7 years? It's a pathetic excuse for leadership not to already have a new plan ready to go with unanimous support from the party. Butthurt RINO's are doing just as much damage to the Trump presidency as the Democrats are.

It is a right as long as the government dictates anyone can receive treatment at any ER facility, regardless of their ability to pay. The current idea that insured patient payments will help partially cover the costs of the uninsured are gone. Commercial reimbursements barely cover you own visit(s), let alone help pay for those without coverage.

This is why I refused to live in Dallas county (Texas). The county hospital had a property tax to help pay the costs of uninsured patients.

Being in the healthcare field, I would seriously consider a single payer system compared to what we have now.

The only way healthcare costs go down is through capitalism. Lasik eye surgery used to be $15k per eye and wasn't covered by medical insurance. Over the years, supply/demand has brought the cost down substantially.

The problem with the current model is that there's not a true supply/demand. We don't get to shop around for the doctors with the best service, best prices, lowest wait times, etc. We don't get to shop around for the best prices on medications. We just have to go wherever our insurance tells us to go aka "network provider/pharmacy/etc". Or we go where the government tells us to go if we're on medicaid. To win in this type system, you don't have to play nice with the patients but you get rewarded for bending backwards for the insurance company and the government.

Until healthcare truly comes back to supply/demand economics then it won't get fixed and it won't get cheaper. We should be paying out of pocket for medical expenses, we should be able to shop around and go wherever we see fit, and we should have catastrophic health coverage in the event that something major happens. This is the only fix I can see, get the government out of the healthcare business....

The government IS the healthcare business, and has been since Medicare and Medicaid was established. It is impossible to get legitimate treatment pricing from either a physicians' office or a hospital, because pricing is set from both entities based upon pre-determined reimbursement rates for those who are insured, either privately or from government insurance. The physician and the hospital inflates actual costs to cover their losses for treating uninsured patients. An individual who actually pays out-of-pocket for their care gets hosed, because uninsured care equals uncompensated care in the large majority of cases. For example, an illegal alien, or anyone else, that shows up at an emergency room with ESRD ( end stage renal disease ) must, by EMTALA law, be treated, which will include extremely expensive dialysis. The cost of only one of these patients will be tens of thousands of dollars, for an indefinite period. Who pays for this? You and I pay for it in the form of inflated healthcare prices.
This system has existed for a looooong time.
The single interest of a politician is to get elected, and then re-elected. Removing entitlements, sadly, is not in the best interest of the politician, regardless of whether it is in the best interest of the nation.