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Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. #2063259
03/19/17 04:50 PM
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First of all, I've only been turkey huntin for 8 short years. I am practically an infant in turkey hunting knowledge. It took me 4 long years to break the seal on my first bird. The next year I killed 3. Every year since, I have killed at least one and called in one for a buddy to be the executioner and I only get to hunt 2-3 weekends/ year. In those years, for every bird we killed, I bet we blew another 2-3 potential kills by getting up right as the turkey was behind us, missing the turkey, etc. My point is, we had a lot of action. The roads were full of tracks and the mornings were full of muliple gobblers.

This year, something is wayyy different. The roads were empty of tracks, the gobbling was short lived and maybe 1-2 birds max. After fly down, they shut up and were never seen or heard again til the next morning. We hunted the last 3 days from 5:30am-6:00pm. We walked the land 100 times over. We hunted fields, woods and roads. That whole time we had two jakes come in once. Let me say that I don't need success every year, otherwise I wouldn't hunt turkeys.

What I am concerned with is the night and day difference between the last few years and this one. Is this normal cyclical ebs and flows of turkey hunting? Is it due to the last two years the chufa crop failed? Did the drought do anything? Predators? Should we just suck it up and realize it was only the first weekend? I feel beat down and apathetic.


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063279
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I've only been turkey hunting for about 6 years so my knowledge is limited too. The same thing has happened on our place this year so far. The birds move around and roost in different places alot. Quite simply they might have just not moved to your land yet. I know at our place it is a different time each year but we always have turkeys move onto our land for a bit of time.For me it seems to be after it has warmed up alot.

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ive seen a similar decline in sumter co. about 10 years ago the timber co we lease from cut our timber id say bout 70%. the first few years after there were still plenty of birds they just shifted around some but as the sucession grew and it got thicker and thicker we would see less and less every year. until now you are lucky to hear a gobble and the ones that do gobble 4-5 times on the roost and shut up on the ground they also don't fly off the limb til bout 8:00am. they have since cut all of our neighbors timer as well. I think our lack of habitat and a hog population that has skyrocketed in the last6-7 years is to blame along with predators and small varmints. another 5 years an I doubt we will have a bird on our property


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063326
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What size property are you hunting? Do you hear gobbling on the adjoining properties? What changes have occurred in the last two years on your property and adjoining, timber cutting, etc?


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063338
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Turkey population has declined considerably all over the state in my opinion. I have places you could hear 15 birds a morning where you may hear 2 now, places where you may hear 8 a morning and now may not hear 8 a year. Sad sad times Imo

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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063345
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Alabamas Game Survey (turkey) offers a number of reasons for fewer turkeys. Strange that habitat change is not one of them.


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: Turkeyboy] #2063473
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Originally Posted By: Turkeyboy
What size property are you hunting? Do you hear gobbling on the adjoining properties? What changes have occurred in the last two years on your property and adjoining, timber cutting, etc?


It's about 450 acres. No major changes (no timber harvests, etc.). The only difference was failed chufa crops. We also didn't plant green fields in the fall like the rest of Alabama due to the drought. However, we did plant really late and it looks halfway normal now. Some hens have been sighted late yesterday by my buddy's dad while he was working on one of the fields after we left. So we know some hens are on the property.

I am hoping that the birds are just henned up bad. We did hear some gobbling at daylight both days, but they were slightly off the property line and they immediately shut up after fly down. Good sign they were already with hens.

I am ok with a tough weekend, but the most concerning to me was lack of any turkey sign. No turkey chit, no turkey tracks, and no turkey sightings except two jakes. I know what is seen during deer season doesn't necessarily translate to the spring, but we had 9 gobblers at a time come across the area where we've killed most in the past. The nesting habitat for hens is there.

Hopefully they're just not using the property that much yet or they were bad henned up. After this weekend I am wishing I could employ turkey surveillance. Drones, live feed cameras, etc. Those little bastards are driving me crazy!


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063497
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Originally Posted By: AU_trout_bum
What I am concerned with is the night and day difference between the last few years and this one. Is this normal cyclical ebs and flows of turkey hunting? Is it due to the last two years the chufa crop failed? Did the drought do anything? Predators? Should we just suck it up and realize it was only the first weekend? I feel beat down and apathetic.


In my nearly 20 years of experience hunting the same grounds over & over, year over year, my answer would be -- it's the ebb & flow of your land... Some years, bumper crops, other years, sparse pickings... Having said that, dude, it's still early; chill & enjoy the ride... The birds outta open up in a week or two... Turkey hunting can go from zero to hero literally overnight...


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: Ben2] #2063516
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Originally Posted By: Ben2
Turkey population has declined considerably all over the state in my opinion. I have places you could hear 15 birds a morning where you may hear 2 now, places where you may hear 8 a morning and now may not hear 8 a year. Sad sad times Imo

This has been my experience exactly in The eoline area of Bibb county.

Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: BamaGuitarDude] #2063518
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Originally Posted By: AU_trout_bum
What I am concerned with is the night and day difference between the last few years and this one. Is this normal cyclical ebs and flows of turkey hunting? Is it due to the last two years the chufa crop failed? Did the drought do anything? Predators? Should we just suck it up and realize it was only the first weekend? I feel beat down and apathetic.


In my nearly 20 years of experience hunting the same grounds over & over, year over year, my answer would be -- it's the ebb & flow of your land... Some years, bumper crops, other years, sparse pickings... Having said that, dude, it's still early; chill & enjoy the ride... The birds outta open up in a week or two... Turkey hunting can go from zero to hero literally overnight...


Nailed it


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063527
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Just had the same talk with my buddy. Like Guitardude said, sit back and wait. It goes from bad to awesome fast.


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063555
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seems like from what I read the birds down south travel a fair amount more than the ones that live in hardwood hills. Could easily be that you have a neighbor a mile or so away that's either made really good Chufa patches or is pouring the corn to em.
I wouldn't know what a chufa was if I saw one but from what I read here I understand that in lots of places in pine country it seems to be almost madnadtory to have it.

Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063580
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Yeah don't feel bad ....I hunted two days hard this weekend and didn't hear a peep but did manage too see 8 hens grouped together ....so at least I got to look at my competition, I also put cameras in strut zones to see what happens while I am at work . I was mad as a hornet with a short stinger when I left the club on Sunday evening because of no gobbles...but I know they are there and I know in the past I have took vacation and hunted them and go 4 days without nothing and then all of a sudden the next day they gobble like crazy ...when they bust up and get by themselves is when it will get good

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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063581
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The biggest thing is don't pay much attention to what is killed on other people's property, all property hunts different . That makes you get more frustrated


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063603
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Slow start for us in Bibb co so far also

Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: Hoytdad10] #2063623
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Originally Posted By: Hoytdad10
Just had the same talk with my buddy. Like Guitardude said, sit back and wait. It goes from bad to awesome fast.


The "trick" I've found is when it goes to "awesome fast" is to hunt like there's no tomorrow; don't wait & count on the birds being fired up "this coming wkend"... GET AFTER IT ASAP; make hay when the sun shines... There's been many times when I wish you could take all 5 legal birds in 1-2 days LOL... Point being, you *MUST* be in a position to hunt hard/fast/long on the days/times when it's ripe for the pickin's...

This is exactly why I bought a leafy camo suit; I can wear it over my work clothes & get a hunt in before work; when its time to leave, I just pull it off & go on in... Works great if you can wear jeans/casual clothes to the workplace...

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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: jlbuc10] #2063634
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If you had a winter flock of 9 longbeard then that doesn't support the idea of a massive population decline. I think it's far more likely that your turkeys are either quiet or living somewhere else right now. Chances are that things will improve, since you know turkeys were there in the past.

The failure of your chufas patches could indeed be affecting things. However, I would look at in a different way than you do. I would think that the previous success of your chufas created a Bonanza for you several years, and resulted in more turkeys being on your place than is natural. With no chufas, your property is now supporting a normal spring population.

I went on my first turkey hunt in 1964 and have chased them in many central AL counties since then. I have NEVER had access to a place where I could regularly hear 10 different gobblers in a morning, and I wouldn't know how to handle it if I did. It's a good morning to me if I hear one gobble good, and if I hear 3 then it is a great morning. I can't remember a morning in AL when I heard 10 different turkeys during a day in the spring season. We once had a winter flock of 16, and I heard every one of them gobble at once many times one day in December. They stuck together until opening day, but only one of them was gobbling when the season came in. That year was great for both us and the neighbors, but it can't be viewed as normal. It happened only once in over 5 decades of hunting the same place.

I've been blessed to kill 2 this season. Neither of them gobbled on the roost, and they both gobbled twice on the ground. I consider it normal to have turkeys acting like that in the early season, especially right after 25 degree days like we had last week. Hang in there and things will probably start to improve.

I think some of you have had access to some superb turkey land. Sounds like Squeaky is on a place like that now. I don't think most of us can expect that sort of turkey hunting every year. Good hunting to all!


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Originally Posted By: poorcountrypreacher
If you had a winter flock of 9 longbeard then that doesn't support the idea of a massive population decline. I think it's far more likely that your turkeys are either quiet or living somewhere else right now. Chances are that things will improve, since you know turkeys were there in the past.

The failure of your chufas patches could indeed be affecting things. However, I would look at in a different way than you do. I would think that the previous success of your chufas created a Bonanza for you several years, and resulted in more turkeys being on your place than is natural. With no chufas, your property is now supporting a normal spring population.

I went on my first turkey hunt in 1964 and have chased them in many central AL counties since then. I have NEVER had access to a place where I could regularly hear 10 different gobblers in a morning, and I wouldn't know how to handle it if I did. It's a good morning to me if I hear one gobble good, and if I hear 3 then it is a great morning. I can't remember a morning in AL when I heard 10 different turkeys during a day in the spring season. We once had a winter flock of 16, and I heard every one of them gobble at once many times one day in December. They stuck together until opening day, but only one of them was gobbling when the season came in. That year was great for both us and the neighbors, but it can't be viewed as normal. It happened only once in over 5 decades of hunting the same place.

I've been blessed to kill 2 this season. Neither of them gobbled on the roost, and they both gobbled twice on the ground. I consider it normal to have turkeys acting like that in the early season, especially right after 25 degree days like we had last week. Hang in there and things will probably start to improve.

I think some of you have had access to some superb turkey land. Sounds like Squeaky is on a place like that now. I don't think most of us can expect that sort of turkey hunting every year. Good hunting to all!


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: tbest3] #2063694
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Originally Posted By: tbest3
Boys the preacher's a preachin' this morning! Listen to what the man says and you'll be alright.


Yep


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Re: Weird weekend. Advice or suggestions needed. [Re: AU_trout_bum] #2063716
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Thanks for all the advice, guys. I won't be able to go back until the second weekend in April. My hunting land is in Notasulga, so it has to be weekend trips for me. With a pregnant wife at home (our first), I have a few weekends I can get away with this year. Maybe the hens will be nesting then and the gobblers will be lonely when I go back.


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