I comprehended it very well. But if my arrows are passing through the deer with which ever head I use then a fixed head doesn't really offer me the benefit of which you spoke.

Had a similar discussion on another forum with some folks. There was a guy on there who shot a deer with a rage and thought it had not opened properly because when he picked up his arrow it looked like it had not opened. When he went to look for his deer however this is what he found. The hole tells the tale with a mech head. Not the state you find it lying in after the shot.

I must be wrong, but I don't remember you being in the stand with me yesterday. Exactly how the frick can you tell me what the facts were if you weren't here, and you didn't follow the blood trail? I have gut shot deer before, and found them. I have helped people track deer that were gut shot. I have tracked or helped track probably close to 200 deer. This ain't my first damn rodeo. I know just exactly what rumen contents look like. In addition to the bright red blood on the ground and leaves, what I found on the ground was wet grass leaves, and wet rape leaves. About 5 of each. Looked a lot more like what it had in it's mouth, not in its stomach. It wasn't even chewed up. Rumen contents are a mix of bile stained green ground up nasty chunks and mush that smell like dammit. It's called cud. The arrow hit this deer about 1 inch behind the shoulder. The deer was broadside at the release and turned to a slight quartering to position when the arrow hit. I have little doubt that the arrow did hit one of the chambers of the deers rumen. From the low spot where the entrance hole should be, the exit hole would likely be right behind the last rib. The arrow probably hit the reticulum, but it had to go through the liver to get there. My bow is shooting 280 fps so it has the power to open a Dim Reaper. If 280 won't open one, they shouldn't be on the market. Maybe it's because I am shooting a PSE. Do they only open if you shoot Hoyts or Matthews bows?

I left my arrow on the trail last night. After I walked circles around the last blood I could find, then walked the branch 1/2 mile, I got my arrow and headed back in. You guys can argue that the broadhead opened all you want to. The cutting edges of the blade are clean, and what I could see last night is that there was blood on the blades, where they meet the ferrule. When you open the broadhead there is a perfect outline in blood of the curves on the ferrule. SO, either the blades were wiped clean, except for the part that sticks out past the ferrule, or the broadhead DID NOT OPEN.

Here are the facts Todd. I've made bad shots before. I'm man enought to admit it when I do. I did my part yesterday afternoon. The arrow hit where I wanted it to. The deer is nowhere to be found. The blood on the broadhead indicated that the broadhead didn't open. A friend of mine came over last night to help trail the deer. He was the first one to say the broadhead didn't open. I didn't want to agree with him. After I looked at all the evidence, it didn't open. Believe what you want, shoot what you want. I really don't give a crap. I really like the LOL at the end of your post. If you think losing a deer is funny, you can go fact yourself.

Apparenly you don't have to find a deer, follow a blood trail, or see anything to tell what happened. You are the Internet deer hit recovery blood trail specialist.

Do us both a favor and don't respond again to any of my posts.

Having heard that,lets look aT THE REAL FACTS !

Fact #1 The only true grim reaper(for deer) on this site is Matt Brock !\
Fact#2 Fur made the shot,and hit the deer.
Fact#3 Fur found his arrow,broadhead unopened.
Fact#4 Fur searched w/help found no blood trail.
Fact#5 Fur don't be having fresh backstrap.
Fact#6 Fur is getting cut on contact broadheads because he learns from mistakes.
Fact#7 Fur is far smarter than anyone on this site that continues to shoot mechanicals after loosing deer.
I think that pretty much sums it up !

If the arrow hit one inch behind the shoulder and should have come out behind the last rib on the other side then that is not what I would call "slightly quartering". That sounds like a very hard quartering to you angle. It's not the best angle to shoot deer with a bow. Odds are you caught one lung at best even if the shot is exactly as you perceived it to be. And yes our eyes can fool us about that as well. They can go a long ways on one lung.

I have bought and tinkered and hunted with so many different types of broadheads that it would be depressing to sit down and figure out how much money I have spent on them over the years. On the mech head side I have shot Snypers, Spitfires, Steelheads, Jackhammers, Reapers, Shockwaves, etc, etc,. I have shot fold from the front type, rear blade deploying, you name it. I have never had one fail to open on a target or a deer. And it's not just me. Out of all the friends I have that bow hunt none of them have had any of the various mech heads they have used fail to open over the years either.

So it mystifies me that time and time again the story on the internet is some guy who has bought his first pack of mech heads and has the very first one fail to open. I've heard this story so many times with those exact claims that it just boggles the mind as to the odds it could be true.

Yeah, but you don't count, Dan. You're a hardcore and experienced bowhunter that has taken the time to get to know his equipment. In contrast, every single person that I personally know, that shoots mechanical heads, have said " I can't get my ( insert fixed head brand) broad heads to fly with my field points, so now I'm shooting ( insert mechanical head brand). They fly just like my field points!" CD.

Fair enough.

Tell you what I'll do. I'll buy 30 Grim Reaper broadheads and 30 pumpkins. We can meet anywhere you say to conduct a little bet and here's the conditions. I'll shoot all 30 pumpkins with the Reapers. If any have failed to open by the time they exit the back of the pumpkins I'll give you 2000 dollars; eat the cost of the broadheads and the pumpkins and the test is over. If all 30 open however you give me 1000 dollars and reimburse for the broadheads and the pumpkins. You have 30 chances to win. I only have one. Deal?

But be forewarned. I haven't had a mech head of any kind fail to open, ever. Consider that before you accept.

Sounds like a sure bet for some of you mechancal haters!

Or pumkin hunters.

" Tell you what I'll do. I'll buy 30 Grim Reaper broadheads and 30 pumpkins"

Someone has been making some good money this year.

I was worried about failures also im shooting NAP 2 blade bloodrunners this year, they seem like the best of both worlds to me. 1 1/8 cutting diameter undeployed, and 2 1/16 fully deployed. cuts no matter what. Anybody used these or had any success or failures with them.

I'll never use a mechanical. I just don't see the need.

Pumpkins are cheap, he will clear $750 after he wins.

He ain't winning nothing, hes just bumping his gums to hear his self. No body is paying him any mind.

Hang in there Furflyin. If you hunt with a bow, you are going to lose a deer. I trailed one last Sunday evening for a club member and he was shooting a Rage broadhead. His deer traveled through cut over about 60 yards and was one of the worst blood trails I've ever followed. I thought it was a muscle hit, not any evidence of a lung hit at all. When I found her, she was shot through both lungs and low. Had I not ran into my friend that night, this deer would have been coyote bait. I shoot aluminum shafts and killed over a hundred deer with the bear 145 razorheads. I don't think you can even buy these heads now, but they were awesome. I still get sick thinking about the two that I never recovered. Makes me feel so low I can't stand it. It'll get better I promise! I been there and done that.

Thanks Teach. I'll be back in the woods next weekend, with my new Slick Tricks. Which razorheads are you shooting? The vented ones or the solid green ones?

Several years ago I bought about 15 packs of Cabela's (lazer mag broadheads???) on closeout. They are identical to the NAP Thunderhead 125's and shoot just as well. They leave a good blood trail and I have not lost a deer to one of these yet. My son did shoot a deer last year that ducked as he released and the arrow went into "no man's land" between lungs and spine. Not much blood at all could be found and that is the only one we have not recovered with these broadheads. Hope this helps!! I have been around reading everyones posts the last three months, but I have been busy as a cat in a sand pit this year. I'll get back to posting and visiting as soon as my online classes are over this year. You have also set the Aldeer record for most posts in the shortest amount of time that I know of!! War Eagle my friend!