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Where's 49r when you need him

No, but I can't believe they brought the bill back to the floor if they didn't have enough votes to pass it.

Haha he ain't posted here in a lawng time ... I wonder why ?

He was burning it up on the deer hunting facebook page the other day. Copy and paste, copy and paste.
Eddie Maxwell.

is that who that was lol

That's him.

He already posting stuff on there to day

Y'all know he's banned from here right?

Yea he got banned over a year ago but yall right he has caused some chit stirring on the Facebook page since then..

The copy n paste thing got him banned from here. He still doesnt get that nobody reads the copy n paste thing and it just irritates people.

He's wide open with it over there. Jumps on people when they don't read it.

less u ain't gotta look nothing up cuz he posting something about everyday of the week

He would get a lot more positive, feedback, attention and results if he would post cliff notes or a summary.

I wonder if he came to Jasper during the Gamecheck meeting ...some guy was trying to stir up a mess i bet that
was him .

I think there's a couple of pictures on his facebook profile.

Good intentions but the touch of a rapist.

So my question is how can the Baiting Bill so overwhelmingly pass the house to stall in the senate?

Timbercruiser do they really not have the votes?

I'm trying to use the BhamFred theory and follow the money. It seems from a money generating scenario that passage of Baiting is big big money for many many people. So for what possible political reason would the senate not just rubberstamp and pass the Baiting Bill????

I feel like they have the votes, unless some of them start adding some other bills or changes in the bait bill that doesn't sit well with some of them. It has a procedure to go thru before it is passed or defeated, don't know how long it will take.

Lmao!

Whatchu talking bout Facebook page Willis?

He trolls FB for sure. I have argued with him before, many times. If yo don't agree with him he just tells you "you're stupid" and wants to know your education background. I told him I go by what I see. But he personally attacks everyone. He needs a good kick in the teeth

Anyone got any news on where this thing stands??

The bill goes to Senate for vote tomorrow. If you have a preference you should contact your local Senator and let them know how you feel. I understand that the Alabama Wildlife Federation is making a MAJOR effort to kill this bill. If you are a AWF member you should let them know your opinion also. Again the vote is tomorrow.

Getting on this forum and complaining will not affect the outcome of this bill. Contacting your Senator and AWF before the vote will

AWF is a major scam!!!!!!!!.

They have nothing to do with the National Wildlife Federation just a PAC where suckers help them make money. If they are against it then I am praying that the Baiting Bill passes.

I once got offered an environmental job with AWF. Show up with my new environmental degree and a bunch of "low class" folks were there also. Kind of seemed strange looking at folks who were newly hired as people such as these were typically only seen during the week of the Alabama National Fair. Turns out the job was going door to door soliciting for donations to AWF. They said Prattville didn't want them doing it but it was their constitutional right. They said whatever you do don't tell people that AWF is not part of the National Wildlife Federation. They then instructed us how to stab dogs in the eyes with our ink pens if people let them out while we were to be soliciting fund. At the point I walked out.

In my opinion one of the best things that can ever happen for proper conservation and game management in this State is that AWF SCAM is brought to light. Support the National Wildlife Federation and the Nature Conservancy but shrew AWF !

Who do we contact to show our Support??
I have already spoke with the Bill Sponsor and some of his buddies. Anybody else??

Find out who your state Senator is and send him a message or leave a message on his phone. Call or message AWF and tell them you support the bill. If enough people express support for the bill it could make a difference. As it stands right now, AWF thinks they have votes in Senate to kill the bill. Just one or two votes will decide the outcome

I'm a lifetime member of AWF and disagree with their position on this bill. I wish they would come out and state their position and explain why. Instead they are using lobbyists and the good ole boy network to kill this bill

My Senator is Paul Bussman who covers Cullman, Lawrence, and Winston Countied. I just called his office and told him that as a land owner and wildlife manager I support a bill that allows for supplemental feeding. I ask him to support the bill. If enough hunters contact their Senator tonight and in the morning it will make a difference. If you can't find their phone number, just send them a message on messenger. Keep all correspondence positive and professional as possible

I just called down there. Lady on the phone transferred me to Senate Bills line. Go figure they are adjourned for the day.

Good article on the subject:


http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/stor...-bill/99376976/

"Baiting would aid" in transmission from deer to deer? Funny how folks always cry or use CWD as an excuse as to why baiting should be illegal, but throwing feed on the ground is legal 365 days out of the year.

As are food plots, slat blocks, mineral licks, etc. And they ALL serve the same purpose.....to cause deer to congregate and feed.

So when you drive into the entrance of Great Southern Outdoors. What is it about a 1/4 of a mile on the right where the feeder has been for maybe a decade. Isn't Steve Long in Theory the head Guide at Great Southern Outdoors?

If people were baiting all over the state wouldn't that cause the deer to disperse to thousands of feeders and not congregate on rich landowner properties where year round feeding (quasi legal baiting is practiced) occurs. Baiting in that way would be beneficial !!! I bet anybody here that I could go in with that hypothesis and find a statistically significant relationship that large numbers of baiting sites disperse deer beneficially.

Funny how he states right off the bat that he is against baiting and then he tries, poorly, to tell why it is bad, bad, bad. He quotes the QDMA, the same people that yelled SHOOT DOES, SHOOT DOES, SHOOT DOES until it really hurt the population of deer. He doesn't say anything about the states that have legal baiting that don't have a disease problem. Then there is the part about baiting not having any effect on the harvest totals and then saying baiting might decimate the deer population. Dumb ass.

Corn feeding doesn't do anything for deer.
it is just like feeding sugar candy to a child.


I have no problem with folk feeding protein pellets or whatever that protein deer chow is in the non deer season.
That is good for deer and helps boost antler growth. If it wasn't so much year round work to do so I would be doing it.
I find it easier to just plant spring and summer food plots with high protein plants.

I also have no problem with corn for killing hogs as they are just a nuisance animal and I have no objection to killing them in any way possible - night hunting included.

Corn pile hunting and corn feeder hunting to me though is just a violation of hunter honor code, hunter ethics and fair chase. That is my honest truly held belief on the matter.

We need to be teaching young and new hunters true woodsmanship skills and everything about the outdoors, forest, habitat, animals, etc, not teaching them that deer hunting is sitting in a shooting house in front of a pile of corn.

I think that a lot of people think that being able to legally hunt over a corn pile is going to magically get them the kind of buck that they see on the hunting shows on the Outdoor Channel. And get it fast - just by hunting one or two or three weekends and poof, they get a magic 5.5 year old 145 inch buck, thanks to corn. I don't think that is a realistic expectation at all. Or a right mentality.

not going to argue th ethics of hunting over corn but do you really believe that corn is no more beneficial to deer than , say, cardboard??? NO protein, no carbs, nothing???

Is it the nutritional value of corn or hunting over specific types of food that you have a problem with?

Wheat plants = Ok
Oat plants = Ok
Clover = Ok
Corn = Ok if planted and bushhogged but not OK if bought and dumped
Roasted Soybeans???

As you indicated, mature bucks are not going to come running in to corn piles. So, what the harm in hunting over one? If someone wants to waste their time in hunting using an unproductive method, then let them.

If baiting becomes legal, let's suppose a hunter does this. They carry in a small bag of say, roasted soybeans with them when they go in to hunt. They then place some on the ground in their shooting lanes, not to draw deer in, but to possibly stop them when they cross so they can judge them more accurately or for a shot. They have scouted and done their homework and know where the deer travel so they are not trying to truly bait them, they just want to stop them. Would this make them lazy or unethical? I know this may not be the norm, but not all baiting may be bad, IMHO. I think the lazy would be seldom rewarded, but if it is gone about smartly, it could be advantageous. Just a thought.

From Deer and Deer Hunting pros and cons for feeding corn.


The use of corn while deer hunting is a topic that spawns passionate arguments. Here some facts to consider when using corn.

Pros

Probably the biggest reason for corn’s popularity as a feed ingredient can be found in its nutrient profile. Energy, in the form of carbohydrates and fats/oils, make up the largest dietary need for all animals. Corn has a fat content of approximately 4 percent and is loaded with carbohydrates in the form of highly digestible starch. This combination makes corn akin to rocket fuel in terms of energy value.

When deer consume corn, it is rapidly digested by specific rumen microbes that feed largely on starch. The acids produced by this fermentation process can drop the pH in rumen by an amount proportional to the amount of corn consumed. If consumed in large amounts, the microbes responsible for fiber digestion (cellulose and hemicellulose) decrease in number due to lack of food and decreased pH.

The longer corn is consumed, the more the rumen microbial population shifts to a higher percentage of starch digesting microbes and the lower the pH will drop. As long as this process occurs gradually — and at least some forage or fiber is present in the diet — the deer’s rumen will adjust and few problems will occur.

Cons

If the corn is immediately taken away or no longer available following "slug" (binge) eating and deer return to a high fiber diet, the rumen microbial population cannot effectively digest the fibrous foods. Deer will effectively have little to no nutrients until the rumen population can adjust to the high-fiber diet. In essence, a type of starvation occurs.

Many diseases are spread via contact — whether directly or indirectly. So, the argument of a corn “pile” increasing the odds of spreading disease is a valid point, especially if practicing “slug” feeding. This will result in corn being present for multiple days, allowing several deer to use the same pile and increase the chances of disease transmission.

Why is everybody assuming that corn is the only thing that will be fed. If I put out feed/bait it will be in a covered trough and will be a mixture of peanuts, Record Rack, corn, sweet feed and other nutritious food for deer. Shelled corn might be as much as 20% of the mixture.

Florida has been baiting deer for 30 or so years.Corn, Sweet potatoes and salt blocks. You would think that if there was a health problem with the herd, we would know by now. I wonder what percent of hunters in Ala already put out bait. Just about everyone I talk to does. Will that number grow that much more if this passes. I would guess some.

Texas too. Kansas, Wisconsin, Ohio..I could go on.

Heck, I hunted in Texas this year and I had a feeder within line of sight and shootable every dang hunt.
A couple times 2 feeders! But they were also along food plots, gas lines that were planted...and it was no cake walk believe me.

I saw lots of does, hogs , turkeys and young bucks. It wasnt until my 5th day (into a 3 day dang hunt) that I finally saw a shooter. He was with 2 younger bucks (100-120') chasing a hot young doe, 2nd rut.

He wanted NO PART of either of the 2 feeders, and I had to get out and scramble 300 yards along that gas line food plot to get him. And if the 2 younger bucks HAD NOT chased that doe ACROSS the gas line,..making him follow..I never would have got him. He would stay way back in the mesquite thicket from those feeders , I assure you.

He was the First mature buck I saw in 5 days hunting feeders mornings and afternoons, then still hunting/rattling all mid day, and during the 2 nd rut, which is when I love to kill mature bucks in any state..(less does in estrous).

Feeders are definitely are no silver bullet. I dont even get many day time pictures here in bama on them of mature deer either in the 2 spots we feed them at.

Ive hunted feed in a ton of states and filmed deer on it in Canada. The RUT and 2nd rut is when you kill big uns...and only then do I find feeders even remotely helpful...and only as the bucks will come out or cruise them for does. The real big uns seem to hang back in the thicket to me.

Deer won't stand and fill their stomach to the brim at a feeder. They ALWAYS have other natural food they eat, so I find the rumen ph shift and starvation to be unmitigated horsechitt.

Same with disease...what disease exactly are they spreading????

Can't trust anyone from the gubmint these days.

The number may grow a little, but not much if I were betting.

Sad that there is that many watercooler ego poachers in Alabama!

No, I would certainly not say that there are absolutely no nutritional benefits to corn feeding to deer, but it is more like feeding sugary cakes vs. something else like protein pellets or planting food plots including Summer plots.


And one thing is for certain: corn does nothing for a buck's antlers, and for me antler growth is the only reason to do supplemental feeding, and for me that means Fall/Winter plots that provide quality forage through June, Summer food plots, timber thinning and burning and mineral licks.

I think it is fair to say that most people use corn feeders to try to train deer to go to a certain area for hunting purposes and not to actually help the deers nutrition. I think the nutrition argument for corn feeding is silly nonsense and just subterfuge for what is really the purpose: train deer to go to a certain area for hunting.

Respectfully! ~~

I have had a camera on a feeder since last November. Thousands of pics and NOT ONE Buck on camera. Scrapes and rubs all around the feeder. It's as if the feeder was some kind of alien space ship or something, avoided it like the plague.

yall do know that if baiting becomes legal, Its not gonna be illegal if you dont bait, right?

So where does this thing stand right now??

Shot down in flames.

Its game over.

No corn baiting for Bubba.

Where did you see this?

what makes you think Bubba is going to stop corn baiting now?

According to an article in AON Mag the inside info is that just like last year the bill will die in the Senate without a vote, just like last year.

There will be wailing and weeping and gnashing
of teeth across the land of Bubba

Are you Chuck Sykes with the Bubba jokes?

Because he, like yourself, realizes that only poor Redneck's Bait. The wealthy all supplemental feed!

touché!

or was that the faint sound of
weeping and gnashing of teeth?

Only effect it would have on me would be moving feeders a few feet.
So, no gnashing & wailing here!

For the thousandth time, there is a difference between baiting and supplemental feeding.

My corn starts going in the ground tomorrow. A week or 2 later than I would have liked but it'll be OK. And that's the way I will continue doing it regardless of the baiting bill passing or failing.

In, not on, seems to be the operative word here.

So for the sake of another argument, let's say I am in a blind 110yds North of a 6" by 3' PVC tube full of corn strapped to a tree with a 3/4" gap at the bottom. The wind is coming out of the North and I am set up facing North on a North/South trail that goes 20 yds from the feeder tube. I am feeding or baiting?

What about if there's Purina Deer Chow in the tube?
What about if it's corn with a battery operated timed spin feeder?
or trough?
What about if it's Purina Deer Chow in a battery operated timed spin feeder?
or trough?
What if i'm at an intersection of E/W and N/S trails and wind is out of West and I am facing into it but feed is 110 South of me?

It's just that there is so much open to interpretation with the current regulation that it seems the only people able to state they are involved in supplemental feeding are the ones with a controlled (High fence) environment that only feed within their "Sanctuary".

I actually just put corn or feed out (Mostly corn, too cheap to buy much feed) for pictures in March then use Salt cubes and trophy rock through the summer.

Forget about the 100 yrds according to GWs. If a deer is going to it to eat and you are hunting it, it is baiting, which they believe to still be illegal. If it is put out by any means, whether it is corn, feed, whatever and you are hunting it, it is baiting. If you are not hunting it, it is supplemental feeding.

The DCNR in their wisdom passed the 100 yrd. rule and it serves no purpose that I can tell and only seems to confuse people. The GWs I talk to are emphatic that baiting is still illegal.

If they do pass a baiting bill the best thing I can see coming from it is there will be no more confusion on the issue.

Just more BS from the legal minds in Montgomery. Fix the problem by making a definitive statement. Yes to 100yds+ period or no to any feeding 10 days prior to and during hunting season.

I'm sure this along with several other bills will die in the Senate "again" with the impeachment process going on. I seriously doubt the luv Gov will sign any controversial bills (Unless it's to raise taxes) at this time, it's all political BS

impeach Bently and get on with ya'll jobs.

Doesn't look like they have the stomach to do either these days.

I have always called it supplemental baiting!!!!!!!

I have a 2 mile long property line with another land owner that has a club.The membership dues are over $10,000 year per member! I am against feeding because as a working man I can't compete against the doctors and lawyers when they would buy it by the dump truck load!

They are already buying it by the truck load. I know of one club that put out 20 tons of corn last year, and it isn't one of those big doctor/lawyer bunches.

The entire purpose of that 100 yard "feeding" REGULATION *during* the deer season was *purposely* meant to create the confusion necessary to then go and say "we need to clear up the confusion by legalizing baiting."

That is all it was from the very beginning.

The forces that wanted legalized baiting knew they would never get it straight up, so they went the subterfuge route of an inane regulation first (that contradicted the statute) then they say, "hey we got a crisis and confusion, let us not let a crisis go to waste..."

Reminds me of Obamacare - intentionally designed to wreck the entire health care and health insurance system in this country in order to create crisis and then foist "Single Payer" nationalized health "care" on the entire country.

With bentley gone, wilythil there be any changes to the up coming season or will everything stay same in yall opinion?