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Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: ghost rabbit] #2031254
02/17/17 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted By: ghost rabbit
They don't have a clue what % it really was. I have a feeling it may have been greater than 35% but who knows and that is the problem. Most people I have talked to have reported lower sightings but thats a small sample. If they're going to continue to use the old #s to figure the percentage of reporting success what was the need for something new? At what point do you stop using the old #s to get an assumed deer harvest and start using the new game check numbers? Or will they just use their number assumptions that they want to use and continue to tell us what the percentage of people that are using game check? At what point do you start looking at these numbers as data that can be trusted, when it lines up with the #s you've been putting out? If not when do you change your numbers to match a guessed % from game check?


That about sums it up.

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Skinny] #2031255
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If they knew that they had a 35% reporting rate, then they definitely don't need game check.


83% of all statistics are made up.

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Skinny] #2031256
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Sadly I know of more deer that wasn't checked in then was.
I checked my two.

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Hogwild] #2031260
02/17/17 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
I have not seen anyone say that they did not use it. And, I do not know anybody that did not use it.
I do know a lot of guys that hunted this year and did not kill anything.


Now you know one. I don't know anybody who did use it and I know a lot of hunters as well

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Skinny] #2031265
02/17/17 03:23 PM
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I'm betting 35% is a bit inflated.

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: extreme heights hunter] #2031268
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Originally Posted By: extreme heights hunter
I'm betting 35% is a bit inflated.


Well sheeeeeit yes it is


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Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Skinny] #2031271
02/17/17 03:35 PM
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I don't know about that ... I have a feeling there are less deer killed every year than they are assuming (and less population overall). But who knows everyone's guessing.

I have a feeling they will continually get frustrated with "lack of compliance" as evidenced by lower than expected reported numbers. Which, I hope does not lead to inordinately aggressive enforcement methods. As easy as it was for me to report my deer this year, I think it will eventually catch on and not require these roadblocks, etc.

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Skinny] #2031274
02/17/17 03:38 PM
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How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all. It could be 10% or 90%; how could you know. So I assume they are using the guess they had last year and dividing what was reported this yr by that number and getting 35%?

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: bigt] #2031282
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Originally Posted By: bigt
I entered the buck I killed in game check in Alabama and registered the one I killed in Illinois using their system. Alabama's was actually easier to use.


I agree.
But, AL also asks for less data.

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Skinny] #2031283
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Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: robb] #2031288
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Originally Posted By: robb
How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all. It could be 10% or 90%; how could you know. So I assume they are using the guess they had last year and dividing what was reported this yr by that number and getting 35%?


That is the only way they can.

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: robb] #2031289
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Originally Posted By: robb
How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all. It could be 10% or 90%; how could you know. So I assume they are using the guess they had last year and dividing what was reported this yr by that number and getting 35%?


Or you could base it on game warden interactions..... Like maybe 35% of hunters with a dead deer reported them.

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Skinny] #2031293
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I reported mine.
Easy to do & I support the data collection.

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Skinny] #2031298
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How many game warden interactions would there be? That sample size seems like it would still be small and how could it give you the total number of deer killed in the state?

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: robb] #2031309
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Originally Posted By: robb
How many game warden interactions would there be? That sample size seems like it would still be small and how could it give you the total number of deer killed in the state?


I think I have had two in my 25 years of hunting in this state, so if you do the math based on my interactions you don't have a very good data set.

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: robb] #2031313
02/17/17 04:24 PM
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How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all.


For decades they estimated an annual "harvest" based on the statistically valid post-season survey -- deemed last year as worthless info by the director -- and whatever other method they used for the estimate.

So estimating the amount of deer killed based on a little-used check system should be easy. Just come up with a percentage, multiply it by whatever factor and then say "Hey, success!"

I'd be embarrassed and madder than 10 wet hens if after 2-3 years of a voluntary system, the amount of meetings and such they had last year, the discussion based on this site and elsewhere, and repeated stories about it being mandated, and 70% or so of the people ignored it.

As Skinny said, in the private world some heads would roll at such a failure.


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Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Skinny] #2031317
02/17/17 04:27 PM
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I can't think of much of anything that a 30% success rate would be considered a "monumental success." Baseball and weathermen are about the only thing I can even think of. More asshattery from the head asshat

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Clem] #2031322
02/17/17 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted By: Clem
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How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all.


For decades they estimated an annual "harvest" based on the statistically valid post-season survey -- deemed last year as worthless info by the director -- and whatever other method they used for the estimate.

So estimating the amount of deer killed based on a little-used check system should be easy. Just come up with a percentage, multiply it by whatever factor and then say "Hey, success!"

I'd be embarrassed and madder than 10 wet hens if after 2-3 years of a voluntary system, the amount of meetings and such they had last year, the discussion based on this site and elsewhere, and repeated stories about it being mandated, and 70% or so of the people ignored it.

As Skinny said, in the private world some heads would roll at such a failure.


All those seminars/meetings didn't cost the state a single red cent correct?

Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: extreme heights hunter] #2031332
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Originally Posted By: extreme heights hunter
Originally Posted By: Clem
Quote:
How can you estimate the amount of deer not reported. I don't see how that is possible at all.


For decades they estimated an annual "harvest" based on the statistically valid post-season survey -- deemed last year as worthless info by the director -- and whatever other method they used for the estimate.

So estimating the amount of deer killed based on a little-used check system should be easy. Just come up with a percentage, multiply it by whatever factor and then say "Hey, success!"

I'd be embarrassed and madder than 10 wet hens if after 2-3 years of a voluntary system, the amount of meetings and such they had last year, the discussion based on this site and elsewhere, and repeated stories about it being mandated, and 70% or so of the people ignored it.

As Skinny said, in the private world some heads would roll at such a failure.


All those seminars/meetings didn't cost the state a single red cent correct?


LOL! I guarantee my tax dollars paid for many nice dinners, hotel rooms, gas, and depreciation


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Re: Game Check Press Release [Re: Skinny] #2031338
02/17/17 04:47 PM
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Yup Game Check numbers pretty much tell the tale,
The entire Game Check system is a a complete and total failure.

However, the gamecheck system is a great learning experience about how failure can be a learning experince. Ya'll fill in the blanks...
Game Check taught us that...


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