I wonder if Chuck Sucks has an account here.

Hell no. He doesn't have the stones to stand up to the torching he'd get here. The poor biologists from the state can't even make it trying to stand up for the ridiculous decisions he's forcing on us

I can't believe y'all didn't like the great turnout to Game Chuck.

"Game Check data showed that there were slightly more bucks than does harvested. With that compliance figure, Sykes said the estimated deer harvest for the just-finished season was about 122,350 bucks and 101,000 does harvested for a total of 223,350 animals."

So let's do a little cyphering like a double naught spy!
WE have an estimated bow down and comply rate, we guesstimate a deer "harvest" number to come up with totals based on completely made up information and that is technically better than using statistical sampling how??????? Oh what the hell am I thinking, statistical sampling does not allow the GOVERNMENT to DEMAND THAT THE PEASANTS SERVE THEIR DAMN MASTERS!!!!!!~!!

That's true

Ikillbux will be along directly to defend Chuck and remind us what a Ninja level deer manager he is. Trouble is, i (cough, cough) don't know what ikillbux does for a living.

Fact is...the DCNR needs to be restructured over this complete and total failure.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If DCNR and Gamecheck are here to stay, why the hell aren't they at least collecting at LEAST a cross section percentage of jawbones for health and age determination for the herd, representing EACH section of the state, say every 20th jawbone of deer killed. I asked Wildlife Biologist that same question and he seemed to support that position and further said that most biologists would like the jawbone representative info.

I the State is gonna saddle us with GC, we might as well benefit from some hard biological science out of it. I've been on paper company leases that REQUIRED EVERY jawbone be left in their collection box at camp in the 1980s.

Mr. Jerry DeBin, I hope I represented our conversation accurately. Please correct me if I didn't on this subject.
-Woody-

I entered the one deer I killed. Have no problem reporting it.

100% participation 0% chance of that happening, Dictator style tactics to enlist hunters to participate not popular. Pie in the Sky concept of relating the need for participation by hunters for hunters resulting in the desired benefit could have worked. Too late for that now.

I read these types of threads (Game Check) and I get really confused on what the heck do some of y'all want. Y'all complain about the guessing game, being a guess, so they introduce GC, a mandatory system and then complain that it should be voluntary.
Some had flat out said they were not going to use it, then belly ache about the participation rate in which they are part of the problem.

Not calling anyone out, all these are general commits about GC.

So what do y'all want DCNR to do? How do you make all the deer/turkey hunters report?

I'm seeing a lot of people say this. People just may not be killing the numbers they think. 81,000 could just as easy be 80%.

I was a neutral party on GC. But Chuckles comments on his entitlement programs was taken as a personal attack on me even though I have a lifetime license. I am now against him, anything he does, or will support the DCNR in any way until he is gone. I spread the word on him to everyone from congressmen to little old ladies that own some land and his opinion of them.

I still don't understand all of the griping about GC.
Go with it. Let enough data be gathered over a few years that trends can be seen happening in certain counties.
If needed, add additional requirements later when a particular need arises.
You don't have to have 100% participation to come up statistical data, although more GC information would help
Also I don't understand why the DCNR doesn't give us data we can use, like "day killed", sites to look at the weather that day, moon phase, etc. In other words, give us something to compare our experiences to those reported on game check. Game check shouldn't be a one way street. I don't see why they can't do the daily calculations, release them on Monday morning, and people can have something to discuss over the week. Seems like free publicity to me.
(Just saw the post on the entitlements program and to me that pissed off more people than walking around slapping them in the face. Biggest mistake I can think of, ever, from the DCNR)

Be interesting to see how many were reported in comparison to how many licenses were sold last year along with how many "valid" lifetime licenses there are. (have to have a good way to weed out
invalid licenses such as deceased, etc..)

This would show more about the success rate though rather than just population numbers...which may be what they're really after anyway.

It would be a monumental success for me if I killed a big buck on 35% of my days hunted in Alabama! LOL

Get ready for the tags in a few years.

Come join me on the dark side, Skinny; it needs to be abolished. Set regulations and seasons with a board elected by license holders and return enforcement of all game laws to the elected sheriffs. That wouldn't be a perfect system, but it would be better than this.

When I first started reading aldeer in 2002, the big argument was buck limits. I was very much against a season limit for a southeastern state like AL that had a huge deer population at the time and almost unlimited cover. Ironically, the year before the buck limit was imposed AL killed more does than bucks.

A decade later with buck limits and GC we are back to killing more bucks than does, and probably have half as many deer. I'd say all the additional regulation has been something less than a rousing success. But the government response will be even more regulation, and results will be the same. You can't regulate your way to more game.

I find it to be incredibly hypocritical for Fearless Leader to now be using the figures from what he called the "worthless" hunter survey to guesstimate GC compliance. The truth is that he has no idea how many hunters complied with GC; that number is completely unknown. As far as estimating the actual deer harvest, GC provided no useful information at all.

Perhaps it did provide some information that could be useful on the county level. I hope it did; it would be a shame for all the resources put into it to be totally wasted.

We had some of the best overall hunting in the nation for about 50 years without the government requiring any reporting. All the regulations of the past decade has hurt the resource and done nothing to improve hunting. All that it has accomplished is that it's given the government a lot more power and authority. And because the government is not getting the level of compliance they want with their new rules, watch for them to come up with more draconian enforcement methods.

Charles Kelley was right - the way to abundant wildlife is to give landowners the ability to manage their land for wildlife and give them the opportunity to enjoy the fruits of their labor. He saw management of wildlife to be a partnership of government and landowners, with government providing generous seasons and limits and allowing landowners the freedom to manage their land. The current administration sees themselves as the dictators of everything related to wildlife.

Gotcha, I sure agree with your last sentence. As much as I dislike some of the things Fearless Leader has done, I am much more bothered by the things he has said. His attitude toward wildlife management is that of a full fledged communist. His comments show he is just getting started with the regulations he has planned for us.

OK, I am outa here for now. I gotta go check the prescribed burns I've done over the past 2 days. And I wonder why I am doing it; Fearless Leader says wildlife management is his job.