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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: Clem]
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12/06/16 01:33 PM
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Does a regulation violation go on his permenant record? Oh, yeah? Well, don't get so distressed. Did I happen to mention that I'm impressed? #oldschool What am I missing here???
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: James]
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12/06/16 01:35 PM
12/06/16 01:35 PM
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Clem
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Nothing. Was just being silly. Carry on.
Fred can explain the details you were asking about.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: centralala]
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12/06/16 01:59 PM
12/06/16 01:59 PM
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regulation=passed by Commish law=passed by state legislature You've told me this before. I understand the definition as you say it. But what does it mean for a guy going to court? What is the difference if he doesn't pay the fine? Does a regulation violation go on his permenant record? "most" game violations will go on a record in that county, usually not on a statewide record. No diff if you don't show or pay, a warrant will be issued by the court and served by the GW or the SO
Last edited by BhamFred; 12/06/16 02:07 PM.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: James]
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12/06/16 02:14 PM
12/06/16 02:14 PM
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sgtred
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On pocket Ranger app, under hunting, then, rules and regs, then hunt over bait, it includes the language that was in the digest first year they promulgated the area feed regulation/definition IF AVAILIBLE EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THE CASE THAT THE INDIVIDUAL IS HUNTING BY AID OF BAIT THERE IS NO SPECIFIC DISTANCE OR HIDDEN FROM SIGHT STRUCTURE THAT WILL EXEMPT THEM FROM ARREST.
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: BhamFred]
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12/06/16 02:17 PM
12/06/16 02:17 PM
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regulation=passed by Commish law=passed by state legislature You've told me this before. I understand the definition as you say it. But what does it mean for a guy going to court? What is the difference if he doesn't pay the fine? Does a regulation violation go on his permenant record? "most" game violations will go on a record in that county, usually not on a statewide record. No diff if you don't show or pay, a warrant will be issued by the court and served by the GW or the SO So, the only difference is who passed it: The legislature or the dictator. That's BS. We have no say with the dictator but can voice our opinions at the polls with legislature. OK, continue on with the corn debate. My 2 cent: I don't care one way or the other.
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: 2Dogs]
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12/06/16 02:45 PM
12/06/16 02:45 PM
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James, tell your buddy to go to court and subpoena Chuck Sykes. Have is mouth piece ask Chuck these questions, "Mr. Sykes, did you state the feeding law was as written, 100 yards and out of sight, nothing more , nothing less" ? " Mr. Sykes, did you make the statement, you do not have an officer that can read a deer's mind"? Judge raps the gavel, case dismissed. I heard him say the same thing about his officers not being able to read a deer's mind.
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: mman]
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12/06/16 02:51 PM
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2Dogs
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James, tell your buddy to go to court and subpoena Chuck Sykes. Have is mouth piece ask Chuck these questions, "Mr. Sykes, did you state the feeding law was as written, 100 yards and out of sight, nothing more , nothing less" ? " Mr. Sykes, did you make the statement, you do not have an officer that can read a deer's mind"? Judge raps the gavel, case dismissed. I heard him say the same thing about his officers not being able to read a deer's mind. Very same night he said those things he told me there wouldn't be any February hunting in Jackson County too, so who knows what he'd say if pressed on anything.
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: PRB]
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12/06/16 02:52 PM
12/06/16 02:52 PM
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It's about money, plain and simple.
Making baiting completely legal would kill a lot of revenue from tickets. When it was completely illegal, not as many took the risk and, the ones that did were harder to find because every Tom, Dick and Harry wasn't baiting. The way it's written now, a lot more people will use corn. Much easier for warden's to find bait and then it's your word against his on whether you were breaking the 100 yard rule. It's a revenue generating, money racket. No sir. It cost the agency more money to pay the officers to convict someone that we get in return. The fines go to the court, not our agency. We get a very small percentage of those fines. If you knew how much you'd say it wasn't even worth it to write one. That's why we are not funded by tickets.
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: ColeT]
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12/06/16 03:04 PM
12/06/16 03:04 PM
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ValleyDawg
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IMO if you hunt private land hunt how you want and only thing to me that should be regulated is bag limits. Public land they can control whatever they want. This. The only thing regulated should be bag limits on personal property. If you are on private land and want to put a couple deer in the freezer, i could not care less if you shot them off a corn pile at midnight. Your land should be yours. Too much private property regulation. Resources would be better invested tracking down road poachers and guys who shoot 50 deer a year and never eat the first one than looking for corn. Jmo.
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: James]
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12/06/16 03:08 PM
12/06/16 03:08 PM
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Most folks I know do this anyway
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: Mbrock]
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12/06/16 03:09 PM
12/06/16 03:09 PM
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jawbone
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It's about money, plain and simple.
Making baiting completely legal would kill a lot of revenue from tickets. When it was completely illegal, not as many took the risk and, the ones that did were harder to find because every Tom, Dick and Harry wasn't baiting. The way it's written now, a lot more people will use corn. Much easier for warden's to find bait and then it's your word against his on whether you were breaking the 100 yard rule. It's a revenue generating, money racket. No sir. It cost the agency more money to pay the officers to convict someone that we get in return. The fines go to the court, not our agency. We get a very small percentage of those fines. If you knew how much you'd say it wasn't even worth it to write one. That's why we are not funded by tickets. Any LE entity that depends on fine money for sustaining their budget is in really bad shape to start with. On a $200+ ticket that an officer writes, the agency sees $10 or so. More goes into the Judicial Retirement fund to pay for the judges retirements than the agency sees. On top of that for a municipality the $10 goes into the city general fund budget and has to be budgeted again back to the agency. They may in reality, see none of the fine money. I've tried to explain this on here when discussing speed traps, etc. but people find this hard to believe.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: jawbone]
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12/06/16 03:40 PM
12/06/16 03:40 PM
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Clem
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They may in reality, see none of the fine money. I've tried to explain this on here when discussing speed traps, etc. but people find this hard to believe. Great Myths of Hunting "Gotta be freezing weather to get 'the rut' going" ... "Wildlife Agencies are just writing tickets for revenue" ... "black panthers" ... "corn is evil" ... "It was free range in the big pen" ...
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: lefthorn]
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12/06/16 03:51 PM
12/06/16 03:51 PM
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What about a property where you can't put in a greenfield/summer plot but want to put a feeder in the most central part of the property to entice deer to hang around and move through your property and your closest stand is 200-300 yards from feeder? Would that be acceptable for the anti-bait crowd? Maybe that was the intent of the regulation for those that had a supplemental feeding program versus those that want a pile of corn or bait just out of site and/or off the edge of the foodplot. As I recall "hunting" over "bait" as defined by the State did not change. The only thing that changed was from the continual moaning from those that could not define what "area" was so they appealed to the almighty government to come up with a fix so they could work on how to be just as confused and beg the almighty government (you know the ones that they wanted to fix the first "problem") to "fix" their problem again! What will be the next problem that will need to be fixed be with more regulations and laws?? Shoe leather and smarts will kill a lot more deer than posting about how wrong it is not being able to bait deer on an internet thread. Just my 2 cents, carry on!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: Clem]
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12/06/16 03:52 PM
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They may in reality, see none of the fine money. I've tried to explain this on here when discussing speed traps, etc. but people find this hard to believe. Great Myths of Hunting "Gotta be freezing weather to get 'the rut' going" ... "Wildlife Agencies are just writing tickets for revenue" ... "black panthers" ... "corn is evil" ... "It was free range in the big pen" ... Nailed it. Especially the last one.
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: Fun4all]
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12/06/16 03:53 PM
12/06/16 03:53 PM
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Clem
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What will be the next problem that will need to be fixed be with more regulations and laws??
Starting and ending "shooting time." Oh, wait.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: jawbone]
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12/06/16 04:13 PM
12/06/16 04:13 PM
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It's about money, plain and simple.
Making baiting completely legal would kill a lot of revenue from tickets. When it was completely illegal, not as many took the risk and, the ones that did were harder to find because every Tom, Dick and Harry wasn't baiting. The way it's written now, a lot more people will use corn. Much easier for warden's to find bait and then it's your word against his on whether you were breaking the 100 yard rule. It's a revenue generating, money racket. No sir. It cost the agency more money to pay the officers to convict someone that we get in return. The fines go to the court, not our agency. We get a very small percentage of those fines. If you knew how much you'd say it wasn't even worth it to write one. That's why we are not funded by tickets. Any LE entity that depends on fine money for sustaining their budget is in really bad shape to start with. On a $200+ ticket that an officer writes, the agency sees $10 or so. More goes into the Judicial Retirement fund to pay for the judges retirements than the agency sees. On top of that for a municipality the $10 goes into the city general fund budget and has to be budgeted again back to the agency. They may in reality, see none of the fine money. I've tried to explain this on here when discussing speed traps, etc. but people find this hard to believe. I never said anything about any particular agency receiving any money, or where it was going at all for that matter. Regardless of where it goes, it's generating revenue for someone, somewhere.
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: BhamFred]
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12/06/16 04:16 PM
12/06/16 04:16 PM
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Ant67
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regulation=passed by Commish law=passed by state legislature You've told me this before. I understand the definition as you say it. But what does it mean for a guy going to court? What is the difference if he doesn't pay the fine? Does a regulation violation go on his permenant record? "most" game violations will go on a record in that county, usually not on a statewide record. No diff if you don't show or pay, a warrant will be issued by the court and served by the GW or the SO All game violations are filed in the District court in the county where the offense occurred and reported statewide via Alacourt (which is a subscription access database that your Supreme Court sold to a private corporation for a song)
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Re: For you guys that think the so-called feeding law is not flawed
[Re: James]
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12/06/16 05:35 PM
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There not doing it for the money, there just being Richard heads. Reminds me of this guy at work the other day talking about hunting bears on TV and they put out honeybuns, said it just wasn't right. I asked him how would he hunt them. He couldn't answer.The baiting law is stupid, just like having to wear hunters orange on private property, if I walk in and out in the dark what difference does it make. Game wardens should have to wear orange too, they always crying about officer safety.
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