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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840130
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i actually enjoy busting my tail at work for low pay, so the higher up can have more money. They deserve it more than me. They came from good homes and are use to living large. I'm use to being poor.


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This type of legislation, no matter what, would fully exempt the political class and those with vested interests in the political class. Bank on that.

Not sure what the deal is with hating the rich anyway? Hell I want to be that guy. There will always be the "1%" or the elite. With a fair-free market you have a chance to go up the ladder into the elite class... With socialism and communism there is no ladder to climb and you have no choice but to accept what the elites will let you have.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Geno] #1840134
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Originally Posted By: Geno
I would go for that if it involved everyone.


Good thing you are voting libertarian.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840141
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No one should make over 500,000 a year? No one is going to pay someone more money than what they are making them. While I do not fall in this category, I know plenty that are and I would not do what they do with the pressure that comes with these high paying jobs.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: goodman_hunter] #1840153
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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
i actually enjoy busting my tail at work for low pay, so the higher up can have more money. They deserve it more than me. They came from good homes and are use to living large. I'm use to being poor.


Go start your own company if it's so easy.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: bill] #1840157
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Yes and no depending on the writing of the law and if we could vote on it. We need more even distribution of wealth though it may never happen call it greed. No one deserves over five hundred thousand salary I don't care what they do. Someone on the lower end is paying for it guarantee. Too many upper level people may try to write their own legal exclusions into legislation. For example, current legislatures that passed Health Reform Act do not have that insurance, but government insurance plan. If you pass the plan you should have to be part of it immediately. American greed has gotten out of hand over the years imo.
A higher up in a company may make millions a year and in addition receive stock options with value worth millions. They could stay five years and stock options double on no part of their own because working people bought into their stock. When they leave sell out and contribute to stock downward spiral or when company still post a loss. All legal in America. All while working non-sweat 30 hour weeks and never understand the sweat part only they don't do that type work and never did. Why do you think the minimum wages has not rose proportionate to cost of living, got to have the mice turn the wheel.
Read some interesting data on AFL-CIO website that I will share. The average union employee makes over $5,000 more than non-union employee. I would pay $500 union dues if you tell me I can make $5,000 more. That should cover those dreaded union dues some complain about in the U.S. Big business wants every state to be "Right to Work" state, so they pay less wages. Good if you on the top end of business. They get more cheaper wages and more workers cheaper. Kind of a trade off it seems.


Karl Marx would be proud. slap

Not into Karl Marx idealogy. Just see wages not rising proportionate to cost of living. Would like to see more for working class folks that support those upper level jobs not other way around. Don't follow anyones philosophy.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840159
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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: outdoors1] #1840160
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Originally Posted By: outdoors1
Yes and no depending on the writing of the law and if we could vote on it. We need more even distribution of wealth though it may never happen call it greed. No one deserves over five hundred thousand salary I don't care what they do. Someone on the lower end is paying for it guarantee. Too many upper level people may try to write their own legal exclusions into legislation. For example, current legislatures that passed Health Reform Act do not have that insurance, but government insurance plan. If you pass the plan you should have to be part of it immediately. American greed has gotten out of hand over the years imo.
A higher up in a company may make millions a year and in addition receive stock options with value worth millions. They could stay five years and stock options double on no part of their own because working people bought into their stock. When they leave sell out and contribute to stock downward spiral or when company still post a loss. All legal in America. All while working non-sweat 30 hour weeks and never understand the sweat part only they don't do that type work and never did. Why do you think the minimum wages has not rose proportionate to cost of living, got to have the mice turn the wheel.
Read some interesting data on AFL-CIO website that I will share. The average union employee makes over $5,000 more than non-union employee. I would pay $500 union dues if you tell me I can make $5,000 more. That should cover those dreaded union dues some complain about in the U.S. Big business wants every state to be "Right to Work" state, so they pay less wages. Good if you on the top end of business. They get more cheaper wages and more workers cheaper. Kind of a trade off it seems.



No one deserves to make over $500,000? So the best brain surgeon in the world, that went to college/med school/residency/specialty/fellowship for over 12 years, and saves dozens of lives every year doesn't deserve to make half a mil? You may want to join the socialist party.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840161
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I know this....My father started out with a company 35 years ago making minimum wage....Worked his way all the way up through the ranks and now falls into one of these high paying wages...He pays way more than his fair share of taxes every year, I have seen the checks written to the IRS they are more than most of us make in a year. Never gets a break, has to carry a satellite phone, gone all the time. He literally never gets a day away, even when we are hunting he is still having to run things, or he gets fired. There are no write-ups, warnings, suspensions, he is looking for another job period. Most of us have the luxury of leaving a job at the end of our shift and going home and forgetting about it. I dont think it is fair to say that "no one deserves 500 thousand dollar a year salary" until you have had to walk in those shoes.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #1840162
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Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer

Originally Posted By: outdoors1
Yes and no depending on the writing of the law and if we could vote on it. We need more even distribution of wealth though it may never happen call it greed. No one deserves over five hundred thousand salary I don't care what they do. Someone on the lower end is paying for it guarantee. Too many upper level people may try to write their own legal exclusions into legislation. For example, current legislatures that passed Health Reform Act do not have that insurance, but government insurance plan. If you pass the plan you should have to be part of it immediately. American greed has gotten out of hand over the years imo.
A higher up in a company may make millions a year and in addition receive stock options with value worth millions. They could stay five years and stock options double on no part of their own because working people bought into their stock. When they leave sell out and contribute to stock downward spiral or when company still post a loss. All legal in America. All while working non-sweat 30 hour weeks and never understand the sweat part only they don't do that type work and never did. Why do you think the minimum wages has not rose proportionate to cost of living, got to have the mice turn the wheel.
Read some interesting data on AFL-CIO website that I will share. The average union employee makes over $5,000 more than non-union employee. I would pay $500 union dues if you tell me I can make $5,000 more. That should cover those dreaded union dues some complain about in the U.S. Big business wants every state to be "Right to Work" state, so they pay less wages. Good if you on the top end of business. They get more cheaper wages and more workers cheaper. Kind of a trade off it seems.



No one deserves to make over $500,000? So the best brain surgeon in the world, that went to college/med school/residency/specialty/fellowship for over 12 years, and saves dozens of lives every year doesn't deserve to make half a mil? You may want to join the socialist party.



X500,000 /\

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840163
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Actually there are two different scenarios. One the "private scenario where a person/persons have provided/or provide their own effort/capital/funds and assumed all of the risk. Or, scenario 2 where a company is "public" and uses others effort/capital/funds without personal risk.

Under scenario one no limits what so ever. Scenario 2 that is ripe for corruption and theft of others (read outsiders) moneys that have been solicited through any means necessary including lying/deceit (read Richard Scrushy, etc) and complicit "independent" boards of directors (all Insiders, again think Healthsouth) yes there should be limits on how compensation, incentives and golden parachutes can be structured.

Obviously the difference is personal risk and reward versus no personal risk and reward.

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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840164
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Dictating the salary of private sector executives would remove the incentive for extremely intelligent, hard-working people to pursue an executive career. Sounds like one of the "progressive" ideas to making everyone equal.
An analogy could be drawn: Let's take a $10.00 per hour production line worker with no business training and without them working their way to the top by learning the business, let them be the CEO of the company, and see what happens.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Remington270] #1840172
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Originally Posted By: Remington270
Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
i actually enjoy busting my tail at work for low pay, so the higher up can have more money. They deserve it more than me. They came from good homes and are use to living large. I'm use to being poor.


Go start your own company if it's so easy.


the ceo for my company didnt start the company either even though he makes 8 million annually with stocks options that are now worth more than that, stocks went up cause he hasnt given a raise in 3 years, cashed out and left.


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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: SouthBamaSlayer] #1840173
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Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer

Originally Posted By: outdoors1
Yes and no depending on the writing of the law and if we could vote on it. We need more even distribution of wealth though it may never happen call it greed. No one deserves over five hundred thousand salary I don't care what they do. Someone on the lower end is paying for it guarantee. Too many upper level people may try to write their own legal exclusions into legislation. For example, current legislatures that passed Health Reform Act do not have that insurance, but government insurance plan. If you pass the plan you should have to be part of it immediately. American greed has gotten out of hand over the years imo.
A higher up in a company may make millions a year and in addition receive stock options with value worth millions. They could stay five years and stock options double on no part of their own because working people bought into their stock. When they leave sell out and contribute to stock downward spiral or when company still post a loss. All legal in America. All while working non-sweat 30 hour weeks and never understand the sweat part only they don't do that type work and never did. Why do you think the minimum wages has not rose proportionate to cost of living, got to have the mice turn the wheel.
Read some interesting data on AFL-CIO website that I will share. The average union employee makes over $5,000 more than non-union employee. I would pay $500 union dues if you tell me I can make $5,000 more. That should cover those dreaded union dues some complain about in the U.S. Big business wants every state to be "Right to Work" state, so they pay less wages. Good if you on the top end of business. They get more cheaper wages and more workers cheaper. Kind of a trade off it seems.



No one deserves to make over $500,000? So the best brain surgeon in the world, that went to college/med school/residency/specialty/fellowship for over 12 years, and saves dozens of lives every year doesn't deserve to make half a mil? You may want to join the socialist party.

Most go on scholarships and earn salary too during that time!

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If a CEO makes a multimillion dollar salary, he's probably smart enough to figure out how to beat that system.

They probably already do this, but say they sell all the property and the physical buildings to another company owned by the same guy that owns the company paying the hamburger flippers. He could own a seperate maintainence company to do upkeep on all the stores.

He gets three salaries. Whichever business employs the least amount of people, he pays the secretary X amount to make his salary what he wants to get paid.

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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Fun4all] #1840178
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Originally Posted By: Fun4all
Actually there are two different scenarios. One the "private scenario where a person/persons have provided/or provide their own effort/capital/funds and assumed all of the risk. Or, scenario 2 where a company is "public" and uses others effort/capital/funds without personal risk.

Under scenario one no limits what so ever. Scenario 2 that is ripe for corruption and theft of others (read outsiders) moneys that have been solicited through any means necessary including lying/deceit (read Richard Scrushy, etc) and complicit "independent" boards of directors (all Insiders, again think Healthsouth) yes there should be limits on how compensation, incentives and golden parachutes can be structured.

Obviously the difference is personal risk and reward versus no personal risk and reward.


I globally hate the idea, but understand the rationale for something under this scenario.

In my industry, we hire minimum wage folks with zero skills, select out the hard workers and train them in-house for a technical skill. Once they reach proficiency at that technical level, they'll be pulling down a pretty good salary and there is good demand for them in the open market (we obviously try to retain the best and the brightest).

If some sort of wage limit was imposed, I'd immediately stop hiring minimum wage employees and just hire ones that were already trained. It would not benefit the employees or the LLC.


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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
Originally Posted By: Remington270
Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
i actually enjoy busting my tail at work for low pay, so the higher up can have more money. They deserve it more than me. They came from good homes and are use to living large. I'm use to being poor.


Go start your own company if it's so easy.


the ceo for my company didnt start the company either even though he makes 8 million annually with stocks options that are now worth more than that, stocks went up cause he hasnt given a raise in 3 years, cashed out and left.

Hold on now we are Marx and socialists according to one guy on here because we notice the reality of what is going on in some cases. Prime example right here more out there for sure!

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Hell no. The gov should never need to be involved with the free market.
There shouldn't be a minimum wage either.
I'd rather have a job making $5 an hour than no job.


So a company should be able to hire illegal aliens to work, neither the company nor the illegals pay income taxes?

Or

Do you want some gov involvement?



The free market being wages and prices should not have their involvement.

As for illegals and taxes, I don't view that as part of the free market. But if it is, then yes limited involvement is necessary.

If you are in this country and use roads, bridges, have clean water, etc. then you should be paying taxes, based on income percentage.

The government gives away a lot of money because there are too many employers that can't pay $8-$9 an hour for help and people are still crying about wanting it to go up more. Take away any subsidy or "crazy" check and I bet you find a lot of people that will be thrilled to have a $5/hr job. Disability, I think is necessary to an extent. It is needed for some, I get that. But I know there are people on it because of "chronic fatigue". Hell I'm tired all the time too, suck it up and quit being a lazy titty baby.

This may have made it about as clear as mud, but I tried.


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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: outdoors1] #1840185
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Originally Posted By: outdoors1
Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer

Originally Posted By: outdoors1
Yes and no depending on the writing of the law and if we could vote on it. We need more even distribution of wealth though it may never happen call it greed. No one deserves over five hundred thousand salary I don't care what they do. Someone on the lower end is paying for it guarantee. Too many upper level people may try to write their own legal exclusions into legislation. For example, current legislatures that passed Health Reform Act do not have that insurance, but government insurance plan. If you pass the plan you should have to be part of it immediately. American greed has gotten out of hand over the years imo.
A higher up in a company may make millions a year and in addition receive stock options with value worth millions. They could stay five years and stock options double on no part of their own because working people bought into their stock. When they leave sell out and contribute to stock downward spiral or when company still post a loss. All legal in America. All while working non-sweat 30 hour weeks and never understand the sweat part only they don't do that type work and never did. Why do you think the minimum wages has not rose proportionate to cost of living, got to have the mice turn the wheel.
Read some interesting data on AFL-CIO website that I will share. The average union employee makes over $5,000 more than non-union employee. I would pay $500 union dues if you tell me I can make $5,000 more. That should cover those dreaded union dues some complain about in the U.S. Big business wants every state to be "Right to Work" state, so they pay less wages. Good if you on the top end of business. They get more cheaper wages and more workers cheaper. Kind of a trade off it seems.



No one deserves to make over $500,000? So the best brain surgeon in the world, that went to college/med school/residency/specialty/fellowship for over 12 years, and saves dozens of lives every year doesn't deserve to make half a mil? You may want to join the socialist party.

Most go on scholarships and earn salary too during that time!


Most do not go on scholarships, and they end up coming out with an average of $250k of debt.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: chad1980] #1840186
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Originally Posted By: chad1980
I know this....My father started out with a company 35 years ago making minimum wage....Worked his way all the way up through the ranks and now falls into one of these high paying wages...He pays way more than his fair share of taxes every year, I have seen the checks written to the IRS they are more than most of us make in a year. Never gets a break, has to carry a satellite phone, gone all the time. He literally never gets a day away, even when we are hunting he is still having to run things, or he gets fired. There are no write-ups, warnings, suspensions, he is looking for another job period. Most of us have the luxury of leaving a job at the end of our shift and going home and forgetting about it. I dont think it is fair to say that "no one deserves 500 thousand dollar a year salary" until you have had to walk in those shoes.

How much does he make? He is in reality able to walk and retire at his own time now,but really lives for his work? Nope less 500k next please.

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