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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/27/16 06:27 PM
08/27/16 06:27 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 28,989 Fosters, Alabama, USA
Shaw
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Well if you don't like it, leave.
"I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it." Captain Woodrow F. Call
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: Skinny]
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08/27/16 06:32 PM
08/27/16 06:32 PM
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Joined: Feb 2016
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Mbrock
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Nighthunter and Matt are fine people But their bosses have been relying on them to communicate official dcnr business here in a very unoffocial capacity for a very long time. Contuing to do so is eventually going to cause problems not just for aldeer but for them as well. Just for the record, officially, our bosses have never once relied, encouraged, or suggested we post a single thing on here that had any relevance to agency business or public information. It's all voluntary because we care that people get information. No hard feelings. Things are what they are but if anyone wants to know anything else they can call an office (implying official in the word itself), or attend a public meeting, visit our web site etc.
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: Mbrock]
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08/27/16 06:44 PM
08/27/16 06:44 PM
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Posts: 104 GREENSBORO, ALABAMA
tonyfan14
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Nighthunter and Matt are fine people But their bosses have been relying on them to communicate official dcnr business here in a very unoffocial capacity for a very long time. Contuing to do so is eventually going to cause problems not just for aldeer but for them as well. Just for the record, officially, our bosses have never once relied, encouraged, or suggested we post a single thing on here that had any relevance to agency business or public information. It's all voluntary because we care that people get information. No hard feelings. Things are what they are but if anyone wants to know anything else they can call an office (implying official in the word itself), or attend a public meeting, visit our web site etc. just as i expected..
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: Mbrock]
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08/27/16 06:44 PM
08/27/16 06:44 PM
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Atoler
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Nighthunter and Matt are fine people But their bosses have been relying on them to communicate official dcnr business here in a very unoffocial capacity for a very long time. Contuing to do so is eventually going to cause problems not just for aldeer but for them as well. Just for the record, officially, our bosses have never once relied, encouraged, or suggested we post a single thing on here that had any relevance to agency business or public information. It's all voluntary because we care that people get information. No hard feelings. Things are what they are but if anyone wants to know anything else they can call an office (implying official in the word itself), or attend a public meeting, visit our web site etc. And there we have it, good resources lost.
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: Mbrock]
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08/27/16 06:51 PM
08/27/16 06:51 PM
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Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 7,755 Montgomery, AL
Hunting-231
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Just for the record, officially, our bosses have never once relied, encouraged, or suggested we post a single thing on here that had any relevance to agency business or public information. It's all voluntary because we care that people get information. No hard feelings. Things are what they are but if anyone wants to know anything else they can call an office (implying official in the word itself), or attend a public meeting, visit our web site etc. Thanks Matt for your insight and contributions, they were greatly appreciated
"The struggle you're in today, is developing the strength you need for tomorrow."
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: Hunting-231]
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08/27/16 06:58 PM
08/27/16 06:58 PM
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Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 104 GREENSBORO, ALABAMA
tonyfan14
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Just for the record, officially, our bosses have never once relied, encouraged, or suggested we post a single thing on here that had any relevance to agency business or public information. It's all voluntary because we care that people get information. No hard feelings. Things are what they are but if anyone wants to know anything else they can call an office (implying official in the word itself), or attend a public meeting, visit our web site etc. Thanks Matt for your insight and contributions, they were greatly appreciated were being the keyword. i really hate to see these guys go. but thats what happens
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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08/28/16 04:41 AM
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Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,459 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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http://www.tndeer.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=31&sid=aa4c3de1a5399cf772afa1cb9ff9f5f7That's a link to the forum where the TWRA answers questions on tndeer. Looks like they get 4 or 5 questions a week, so it's not something that takes them a lot of time. Skinny has said that he offered to do something similar for our dcnr, but they have no interest in interacting with the public. Skinny sure doesn't need me defending him, but I can understand his frustration with them. Obviously, the TWRA wants to support their state's a largest hunting forum, and obviously, the AL dcnr does not. They will travel around and tell hunters about the new rules they have made up for us, but don't seem interested in any interaction with us before they make them. Of course, I'm talking about the policy maker at the top and not the dcnr employees that post here. Once again PCP hits a home run! If someone came on here from DCNR and answered questions in an official capacity , the Wizard of OZ might be exposed. Might have to explain the back room deals, broken promises to get game check. Like having to cut a deal for season extension with the high fence owners . How many of their own biologist spoke out against it , but were told to basically sit down and shut up, this is what it takes to get game check, game check is good. How a CAB member who's family owns a high fence operation made the motion to extend the season statewide. But that's not a conflict of interest ......in Alabama. Then only to tell us that there's a couple of areas that have the rut right around February first North of Birmingham is the reason. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining and lie about it! Like PCP I'm taking aim at those at the top , not the fellows out in the field that post on here.
Last edited by 2Dogs; 08/28/16 05:26 AM.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/28/16 05:54 AM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 21,768 Awbarn, AL
CNC
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I’ve always been amazed that someone from the DCNR hasn’t already told Matt and Jeremy to quit posting on here or at least strongly encouraged it. Regardless of how we want to see this situation……their presence on here and the info they put out, like in this thread….takes on an “official” tone. Most of these threads also turn into dumpster fires with multiple “official” posts being made rebutting folks’ statements with another explanation and another explanation that goes….“No, what I’m trying to say is……..dadada.” By the time most of these dumpster fires burn themselves out….then we’ve often gotten into a dozen different scenarios ranging from legitimate to absurd and the end result is usually just muddier waters than we had to begin with. I’ve always pictured Chuck Sykes reading these conversations in the background and just hitting that head slapping emoji over and over and over.
I don’t think any of this is personal against the guys posting here. They might as well be Joe Biologist as far as that is concerned. I can see where there’s hard feelings since these guys who are posting are good folks. I agree though that it would be a much better idea if the DCNR would take someone with really good public relations skills and put them on here in an official capacity to answer questions rather than what we have going on now. I think a lot of the reason it doesn’t happen though has to do with what 2Dogs is referencing. If they open themselves up to the public like that then they’ll be bombarded with all kinds of questions that they will constantly be putting out “official” answers to…..which they probably don’t want. It’s just a chitty situation that’s not gonna have a happy ending. The forum will go on.....
Last edited by CNC; 08/28/16 05:56 AM.
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: CNC]
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08/28/16 07:19 AM
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2Dogs
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Sunshine is a wonderful thing.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/28/16 12:00 PM
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Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 38,489 N. Bama
257wbymag
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Hell Matt Brock was wrong as crap about what's considered legal and baiting for doves in another thread so I don't know if he's wrong or right in this one. Don't really care. I haven't opened this thread til just now and man there's gotten to be a bunch of Whiny azz gotta be FL/GA line fans commenting about this. SMDH.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/28/16 12:15 PM
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 9,565 Cape San Blas, Florida
Deadwood
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Well, if you're hunting or fishing in an area where, let's say, Yotetrapper, Matt, or Nighthunter are assigned, their understanding and interpretation of the laws will make the difference in you getting a citation or not when you meet them. They are going to enforce based on their understanding at the time.
They are human beings just like everybody else here. They ain't likely gonna bust you open if you're trying to be honest.
I'll take the word of an informed friend like them in the field.
If I fuckup, I'll pay the fine.
Thanks guys, from a Florida hunter that tries to play by the rules.
And Skinny, I do see your point on the "official" goobers wanting to hide from daylight and hard questions. The rulebook pamphlet and the actual codified laws are in conflict sometimes, as 49er used to point out. Add the Federal laws to the mix for Migratory birds, and it gets confusing.
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/28/16 12:49 PM
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Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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DeadWood,,, see right there is part of the problem , why is a law written to where each GW has to interpretate it .
interpretation ,,,, making law , where the difference . GW job is to enforce law not make it up as he goes along.
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: Frankie]
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08/28/16 01:01 PM
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 9,565 Cape San Blas, Florida
Deadwood
Footbsll Bat PSYOPS
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Footbsll Bat PSYOPS
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DeadWood,,, see right there is part of the problem , why is a law written to where each GW has to interpretate it .
interpretation ,,,, making law , where the difference . GW job is to enforce law not make it up as he goes along. Oh, yeah, Frankie. I dang sure see your point, but that's the way it is presently. "When in Rome"..........
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/28/16 01:06 PM
08/28/16 01:06 PM
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Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 9,565 Cape San Blas, Florida
Deadwood
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As a side note, have a look at Florida fishing regs if you want to be confused. They can change weekly, and certainly will as you progress through different areas.
That said, Alabama laws and regs are tame compared to that shibbitz.
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: 257wbymag]
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08/28/16 01:18 PM
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Mbrock
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Hell Matt Brock was wrong as crap about what's considered legal and baiting for doves in another thread so I don't know if he's wrong or right in this one. Don't really care. I haven't opened this thread til just now and man there's gotten to be a bunch of Whiny azz gotta be FL/GA line fans commenting about this. SMDH. I said what I thought was legal and also stated I'd let Jon respond before taking what I said as right. I've never worked a day of dove enforcement in my life. Jon came on and made it right. Don't worry. It won't happen any more.
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Re: Conservation ID #
[Re: NightHunter]
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08/28/16 01:43 PM
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Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 5,517 Land of the free because of th...
mike35549
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So nobody can give out information/instructions on a subject that they happen to work in. So no gunsmiths talking gun repair, nobody that works on bows giving out info on bows, mechanics, A/C repairmen, lawyers, etc etc unless they pay to do so. A bunch of y'all gonna have to be careful.
If you're gonna be stupid you better be tough.
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