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Cross Bow Craze
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08/27/16 07:35 AM
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billrv
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Don't post much just lurk, laugh a lot learn a little. I just talked to my "bow guy" small shop not his only source of income but does great work (if I lived closer to Shaw I would definitely use him always willing to offer good advice) He was telling me he is going to have to consider closing due to the decline in business, of course concerned I asked why, his reply "so many people are going to cross bows there is not a lot of work to be done on bows" which really got me thinking and I see his point, our club is bow only but we did allow cross bows at first for our senior members and our "one armed assassin" as he calls himself, he is the most passionate hunter I have ever known, but now a few have switched to "cross rifles" for no apparent reason. When you look through the catalogs it seems now there is more of an offering of cross bows and equipment then bow stuff. So my question is why? Manufacturers marketing for more dollars, hunters looking for an "easier" option, since the seasons now combine bows and cross rifles I don't see where it extends the season. Personally I hate them, I am 60+ and work hard to stay in "bow shape" if I get to the point I cant pull an ample weight bow I'll go fishing. Not intending to PO anyone I get it if it's legal.... My rant is over
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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08/27/16 07:46 AM
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perchjerker
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I am in this with you Bill. I think they are for hunters too lazy to learn to master a bow.
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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08/27/16 08:10 AM
08/27/16 08:10 AM
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For me personally, I used a crossbow my first season because 1. Its all my neighbor had that I could use and 2. I was new to hunting, I was excited to learn but more excited to get a deer. If a deer was going to walk up, I didn't want to waste my chance and, that would have happened with a regular bow.
Turned out that I never even got a chance with a crossbow, but I get it for some people. Hunting public land is hard. If you only get to hunt a couple times a year, you probably want to be sure you are going to get your deer. It SEEMS (I know this isn't always true) that most bowhunters that are really into it hunt a lot more. But for that guy that only goes twice...why wouldn't you use one.
I use a compound now. I haven't killed a deer with a crossbow or compound, but I love shooting my bow. I hope to get my first bow kill this year.
With all that said, don't crossbows still need work done to them? Their strings still wear down, yeah?
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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08/27/16 08:19 AM
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I haven't seen a decline in my business. It keeps growing every year. I've had people drive from as far away as Florida for me to install my strings and set up their bows. I don't have a problem if someone wants to hunt with a crossbow. My problem was with how the state went about making them legal. It's kinda funny that a lot of people that do hunt with them are somewhat embarrassed about it. 90% of the ones that mention to me that they hunt with one have "shoulder problems". I never knew so many people had shoulder problems until they were made legal. And yes, a lot use them because it's easier and won't take the time to master shooting a bow. But I have seen a few that started using a bow after starting out with a crossbow.
"I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it." Captain Woodrow F. Call
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: Shaw]
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08/27/16 09:05 AM
08/27/16 09:05 AM
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Posts: 4,317 Boaz,Al,Mexican Paradise
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I speak for myself only but I will speak.If it werent for x-bows I would have to wait for gun season and I don't gun hunt very much.I'm a deer hunter I don't hunt ANY other game and I don't fish,golf,ride bikes........I am a deer hunter and if I can't draw a bow I will use whatever means necessary to hunt deer.If I get to the point that I cant cock a x-bow I'll carry a camera but I won't sit at home.It's in my blood to deer hunt and deer hunt only so if it's legal to use a crossbow then thank God for em.I am one of the guys that Shaw spoke of that's kind of embarrassed that I use a crossbow.The embarrassment comes from the fact that I am getting older and can't do what I used to do.I have had two surgeries on my right shoulder and now am told I need another.I bow hunted for 20 years and had to go to an x-bow because of the surgeries.The embarrassment is not a social embarrassment but rather yet a personal embarrassment[pride].One thing is for sure though.I don't care what anyones thoughts are about me hunting with one if its legal.I imagine primitve weapons users have the same arguments about guys that use compound bows with all of the gadgets attached to them.
Psalm 27:1 The Lord is my light and my salvation,whom shall I fear? The Lord is the strength of my life;of whom shall I be afraid?
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: perchjerker]
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08/27/16 10:28 AM
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I am in this with you Bill. I think they are for hunters too lazy to learn to master a bow. Damn it Perch. You stole my thunder. Thing is I would not have said it nearly as kindly and I would likely have gotten kicked off of here... I think that if you are hurt, handicapped, elderly it is okay but I think everyone here knows my thoughts so instead of posting my thoughts I will type myself a message instead... Keep your damn Mouth Shut Chris Keep your damn Mouth Shut Chris Keep your damn Mouth Shut Chris Keep your damn Mouth Shut Chris Keep your damn Mouth Shut Chris
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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08/27/16 04:36 PM
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I don't have a problem with whatever people want to hunt with. A lot of traditional guys look down on compound users just as compound users look down on crossbow hunters. The only guy nobody can look down on is the guy who goes to the woods, cuts down a tree and makes his stuff from it. Then kills something with it.
“Killing tomorrow’s trophies today.”
On the distance I like to walk to my stands: “The first 100 yards is also the last 100 yards.”
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: Shaw]
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08/27/16 05:10 PM
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I haven't seen a decline in my business. It keeps growing every year. I've had people drive from as far away as Florida for me to install my strings and set up their bows. I don't have a problem if someone wants to hunt with a crossbow. My problem was with how the state went about making them legal. It's kinda funny that a lot of people that do hunt with them are somewhat embarrassed about it. 90% of the ones that mention to me that they hunt with one have "shoulder problems". I never knew so many people had shoulder problems until they were made legal. And yes, a lot use them because it's easier and won't take the time to master shooting a bow. But I have seen a few that started using a bow after starting out with a crossbow. The shoulder thing cracks me up too. I've shot a crossbow too, and I'm fully healthy. This year, I'm going to hunt a good bit with my new (to me) Mathews bow that has a bona fide Shaw string on it!
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: Remington270]
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08/27/16 05:37 PM
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I haven't seen a decline in my business. It keeps growing every year. I've had people drive from as far away as Florida for me to install my strings and set up their bows. I don't have a problem if someone wants to hunt with a crossbow. My problem was with how the state went about making them legal. It's kinda funny that a lot of people that do hunt with them are somewhat embarrassed about it. 90% of the ones that mention to me that they hunt with one have "shoulder problems". I never knew so many people had shoulder problems until they were made legal. And yes, a lot use them because it's easier and won't take the time to master shooting a bow. But I have seen a few that started using a bow after starting out with a crossbow. The shoulder thing cracks me up too. I've shot a crossbow too, and I'm fully healthy. This year, I'm going to hunt a good bit with my new (to me) Mathews bow that has a bona fide Shaw string on it! Related story. In Kentucky last year. Opening weekend, I had an out of the way bean field spotted, with a good buck on cam close to the field. Wind wasn't right opening day, but the next day, I went to hunt it, and a truck with an Indiana tag pulled in right ahead of me. He pulls up and I stopped to see where he was planning on going. Real Yankee douchebag. Starts bragging about the deer he's killed with a bow. Yada yada. I go to pull off and he yanks his crossbow out of the back. He's probably late 20s, perfectly good health. In Kentucky, you have to have a disability with a doctor verification to use them in bow season. Couple days later, I send my buddy to that spot. He's going down the gravel road to it, and this same doucher comes barreling past him, and passes him on one of those 1.5 lane gravel roads. Sprays his 2 week old truck with gravel. Buddy went over there, and got out of the truck and told him he was gonna stomp a mud hole in his ass If he stepped foot out of the truck. Then the dude comes walking past my dad a few days later (my dads 63) doesn't say a word, just hauls ass past him. My dad catches up to him, and asks where the hell hes going. The guy says his stand is on the bean field. Oh ok, so my dad goes and climbs a tree 20yds closer to where the deer come from, and tells the guy to go eff himself. Typical Yankee crossbow hunter
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: Shaw]
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08/27/16 06:03 PM
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I haven't seen a decline in my business. It keeps growing every year. I've had people drive from as far away as Florida for me to install my strings and set up their bows. I don't have a problem if someone wants to hunt with a crossbow. My problem was with how the state went about making them legal. It's kinda funny that a lot of people that do hunt with them are somewhat embarrassed about it. 90% of the ones that mention to me that they hunt with one have "shoulder problems". I never knew so many people had shoulder problems until they were made legal. And yes, a lot use them because it's easier and won't take the time to master shooting a bow. But I have seen a few that started using a bow after starting out with a crossbow. Obviously, some people are unable to pull back a regular bow and need a crossbow. However, I have a feeling "shoulder problems" is a slippery slope. I would say my inability (or choice) not to shoot a 70lb+ bow might entitle me to a shoulder problem
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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08/27/16 07:34 PM
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At the end of the day a compound bow is still a bow. I would argue that a crossbow is not a bow at all, and minus the reasons I listed above should only be used during gun season.
I am trying not to be a d!ck. I know it don't make sense and I should have the attitude that, "As long as it's legal blah blah blah..." I am sorry but I don't.
I don't fully understand it but The Crossbow thing Chaps My Ass.
Like Atoler said they love to talk about the deer they killed with their bow
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: Reaper]
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08/28/16 05:23 AM
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Here I am, got a crossbow, killed a doe with it 2yrs ago, it ate just as good as the one you killed with your bow. It was a rush having a deer at 35yds not seeing you and you making the kill, so I do get the adrenaline thing that you bow hunters get, I chose to do it differently.
I'm not lazy, wasn't brought up hunting, started hunting 7-8years ago, just never got into the bow thing, so the crossbow I bought 2 years ago got me into the woods a little earlier last couple of years. 57yrs old and no shoulder problems
The irony of this is, you will take a mechanical advantage to the biggest degree you can get, and then get on your high horse about me taking one a little further than you.
Bottom line I really could care less what others hunt with, if you enjoy it then that's all that really matters.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: capehorn24]
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08/28/16 06:32 AM
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Here I am, got a crossbow, killed a doe with it 2yrs ago, it ate just as good as the one you killed with your bow. It was a rush having a deer at 35yds not seeing you and you making the kill, so I do get the adrenaline thing that you bow hunters get, I chose to do it differently.
I'm not lazy, wasn't brought up hunting, started hunting 7-8years ago, just never got into the bow thing, so the crossbow I bought 2 years ago got me into the woods a little earlier last couple of years. 57yrs old and no shoulder problems
The irony of this is, you will take a mechanical advantage to the biggest degree you can get, and then get on your high horse about me taking one a little further than you.
Bottom line I really could care less what others hunt with, if you enjoy it then that's all that really matters.
No One is leveling personal attacks against you, here. My experience is that it is Crossbow guys that I catch trespassing. Seems like they typically lose more deer percentage wise too, though I could be wrong. Add to these things the fact that I will never agree that they are even bows and should even be allowed during bow season at all...well you get the idea. Here is my probably heavily flawed theory: Average Joe wants to learn to hunt. Joe works a lot and was maybe never in the woods as a kid, or more likely was raised by his mama cause his daddy wasn't around. Joe thinks crossbows look cool (Who Doesn't especially the reverse draw ones, anyway, I digress). Joe wants to get in early season but is limited on time and don't really know a lot of guys that hunt or if he does he is too intimidated to ask them to teach him how to be an ethical hunter. The idea of learning to shoot a bow (and this is key HUMBLING himself enough to ask questions of the guy at the counter of the bow shop) is intimidating. Joe buys a crossbow (Has another guy site it in lol) and heads out in the woods at the end of the street to kill a deer. He never learned any huntcraft and has cut lots of corners everywhere he could. I catch several Joe's in the woods trespassing every year. If a guy takes the time to shoot an actual bow he will most likely take the time to ask questions, learn huntcraft, and be a respectful sportsman. Having said all that, If you are Joe and you need to learn to hunt, I will happily show you the ropes. I teach a lot of kids to hunt around here and have no problem teaching an adult too.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: CDillard]
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08/28/16 10:10 AM
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If the Compound guys want to complain how about Crossbows, how about they quit "cheating" and get a Recurve or Long Bow with no sights. I have personally killed deer with a Recurve shooting instinctly, I have killed deer with compounds also and I have killed deer with my Recurve Crossbow. I like using archery equipment to harvest deer, but make no mistake you will only get one arrow down range with a Crossbow, whereas a vertical bow will give you multiple shots chances and that's a fact. I've been there an done that myself. A bow is pretty much a one shot weapon regardless, and if a deer is dumb enough to stand while you grab another arrow and draw, you can sure cock a crossbow
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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08/28/16 12:45 PM
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I hunt with a compound and a cross bow. I've killed 2 deer in one sitting with a compound and a cross bow . I killed 3 pigs in about 45 seconds with a crossbow. You can easily get a second or third shot with a crossbow.i think you should use whatever you feel the most comfortable with making a clean and ethical kill.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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08/29/16 10:21 AM
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I own a lot more traditional bows than anything else.
I thought basically the same thing when I saw people using compounds.
I do own a spear and have used it on hogs.
I tore my rotator cuff when I broke my neck.
I also can't do bench press anymore.
I don't care what anyone uses.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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08/29/16 12:24 PM
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I never understood why a crossbow has a scope when you only shoot 40-50 yards... i thought it was for the eldery.
Roads? Where we're going, we dont need roads. ~Doc brown
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: Southwood7]
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08/29/16 01:51 PM
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You know some people just don't enjoy shooting a compound bow. I don't like it. I bought a bow several years ago and hunted hard all bow season and had several deer in bow range but never fired an arrow. Bow hunting is most definitely a challenge, but it's a challenge and a craft that right now I don't have the desire to master. That doesn't make me lazy, I'm just not passionate about it. Ill walk 10 miles to kill a turkey but the bow hunting thing just doesn't do it for me. All that being said, I don't own an Xbow, but if I got the urge to hunt during October that's what I would carry and I'll even sit to pee if need be LOL, well said, I have to say...
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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08/29/16 01:54 PM
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I saw a queer hunting with a crossbow, once!
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: Honolua]
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08/29/16 03:08 PM
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You know some people just don't enjoy shooting a compound bow. I don't like it. I bought a bow several years ago and hunted hard all bow season and had several deer in bow range but never fired an arrow. Bow hunting is most definitely a challenge, but it's a challenge and a craft that right now I don't have the desire to master. That doesn't make me lazy, I'm just not passionate about it. Ill walk 10 miles to kill a turkey but the bow hunting thing just doesn't do it for me. All that being said, I don't own an Xbow, but if I got the urge to hunt during October that's what I would carry and I'll even sit to pee if need be LOL, well said, I have to say... I admire you guys that are hardcore bow hunters. Maybe one day I'll get the bug.
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life. Job 33:4
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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09/02/16 03:26 PM
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I remember a time when I didn't think a guy that shot a compound was a "real" bow hunter.I was in a club with two other recurve hunters and a half dozen compound hunters. 1995 got my first compound and had an attitude change. Still kinda didn't think a crossbow hunter was a "real" bow hunter. After struggling to pull my Mathews the last few years with RA, guess what , another attitude change: buying a crossbow. It will keep me in the woods, fetch some early backstrap. There's plenty for everybody and we are not competing with each other. When I shot the recurve I had a lot of respect for a man who had the discipline and patience to shoot a straight bow. Muzzle loaders have the same issues we are talking about. I think I have learned not to judge to much by what and how a hunter goes about his business as long as it's legal. i have come full circle and I suspect some primitive bow hunters and compound hunters will judge me for using the crossbow.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: Reno]
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09/02/16 06:15 PM
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I never understood why a crossbow has a scope when you only shoot 40-50 yards... i thought it was for the eldery. This applies to me. Can't see good enough to to focus on pins and target at same time. Need the optics to focus the cross hairs and the target.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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09/02/16 06:30 PM
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If you don't have the desire to learn the woodcraft involved with being a bowhunter, then you should stay out of the woods till gun season. That was many of us coplaint from the start. X-guns are just a short cut, you learned no skill so you aren't qualified to hunt BOW SEASON. They crammned it thru not caring what bow hunters thought so they could sell those things.When I cant pull my bow, Ill go fishing !
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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09/02/16 06:52 PM
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Well I've managed to stay out of this thread until now, but I've read enough here tonight to see that a lot of you fella's either have the "we've always done it this way" attitude and see no reason to change, or are just not willing to accept change when it comes along.
As others have already said, if you're against cross bows, then I would ask if you use a modern rifle when you gun hunt? If so, why? According to your thought process, you should be using a flintlock since that was the first gun-type weapon used. Or better yet, why are you using a compound bow when you could be using a longbow, recurve, or an atlatl..... Are you using any type of arrows other than wooden ones that you made yourself? Hope not, cause applying your anti-crossbow logic you shouldn't be. Do you use any type of release when shooting your bow? The Indians didn't have those, so I sure hope you're not either.... Again, applying your anti-crossbow logic (as I see it), you can't have it both ways. Pot meet kettle.
As for me, let me finally piss you off by saying I truly don't give a rip what you think of me for using a crossbow. I've hunted with a compound bow beginning with the 2004-2005 deer season through the 2014-2015 season. Back in 2007 I fell backwards off a loading dock and landed squarely on my left elbow. The result was I broke my elbow (offically called a "radial head fracture"). I permanently lost some range of motion in my left arm, plus I now have arthritis in that elbow. My left elbow hurts every time it rains or gets cold. And I'm left-handed, so I draw my bow back with my left arm. As much as I love deer hunting, I'm not going to sit at home during bow season when I could use a crossbow.
I learned a very long time ago to work smart, and I try to apply that logic to everything I do, including hunting. Why not use a crossbow when it's perfectly legal to do so? For all of y'all who think crossbows are some sort of lazy way out... well, you're certainly entitled to your opinion. But don't lump me into a one-size-fits-all category, cause I gaurantee you I don't fit that mold.
Jesus... I hope you know Him personally like I do.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Proud crossbow hunter!
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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09/02/16 07:23 PM
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My comments were not for injured hunters or elderly hunters. Im old too , but Cr its called bow season for a reason. With a bow you have to draw and fire, not a cocked weapon you can just pull a trigger on. Gun season and what kind of gun you use has not a damn thing to do with bow season. Bow hunters agree with injured and elderly, just not anyone too damn lazy to learn. Ive head idiots talking about killing deer at one hundred yds. Do you thi nk thats bow hunting ? Bow hunting is about the thrill of getting a deer close. Not slinging bolts as far as you can see.
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: perchjerker]
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09/03/16 01:07 AM
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[quote=perchjerker]My comments were not for injured hunters or elderly hunters. Im old too , but Cr its called bow season for a reason. With a bow you have to draw and fire, not a cocked weapon you can just pull a trigger on. Gun season and what kind of gun you use has not a damn thing to do with bow season. Bow hunters agree with injured and elderly, just not anyone too damn lazy to learn. Ive head idiots talking about killing deer at one hundred yds. Do you thi nk thats bow hunting ? Bow hunting is about the thrill of getting a deer close. Not slinging bolts as far as you can see.
Give me a break, with your holier than thou attitude about cross bow hunters, you guys kill me, you have to pull something back, you to lazy to learn, it's ok if you are old/injured.
But it's ok to have an mechanical advantage so you don't have to strain as much but that's ok in your eyes, the way I see your to darn lazy to pull a longbow back so you cheat also. It's like the little white lie, it's still lying.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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09/03/16 03:05 AM
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Well, the title is cross bow "craze". And that's what it is. Healthy gun hunters are walking into outdoor stores and buying the heck out of them. It's not a "craze" due to guys that could get medical exemptions. The popularity is exploding because non-archery hunters can hunt during archery season, plain and simple. I have a relative that works at a Bass Pro, and sees it all day, every day.
If you can't see the fundamental difference between creating the energy while the animal is in range, and pointing to shoot, I can't figure out any other way to frame the conversation. A compound bow is an excellent modern weapon, but I still have to wrestle 70 pounds of energy in the moment of truth if I want to be successful.
Best example I have - I have an eight year old that has a youth bow, and it is basically non lethal because he can't create enough energy. He asks about going bow hunting like Daddy, and I explain to him the difference. We talk about working hard, and getting bigger, better, and strong enough that his opportunity will come in due time. And don't feel bad for him - he gets all the opportunity he can handle with a gun, and killed two deer last season.
So, what if I go get him a crossbow? Create the energy for him, and a tripod to rest it on (cause most are too heavy for him to aim). I have no doubt he could shoot it just as accurately as he shoots a rifle. But what would I be teaching him?
I, like others here, have no problem with medical exemptions during archery season - which was the deal when they first became legal. I absolutely support handicap hunters of all ages to have the opportunity. And I've even taken it a step further to say I have no problem with any person using them during gun season.
I believe my thoughts are how most bow hunters feel on this topic (but maybe I'm wrong).
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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09/03/16 03:43 AM
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Claims, I am with Perch & Turkey, I feel you are exempt from these arguments.
It's not a Holier Than Thou Argument (though I understand the perception through the fence). For me I just don't feel that it is even a bow at all, plain and simple.
I don't care if you personally use a machine gun, Everyone knows you good enough through your posts here that No one is ever gonna argue that you aint the real deal out in the woods.
I know for me this is a hot topic and I am quick to argue and counter someones point of view. But I would never level a personal attack against anyone because of how they legally hunt. I know it may sound like it sometimes but that aint who I am. This is directed to everyone on here.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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09/03/16 04:16 AM
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Don't get mad at me CR, I have too much respect for you ! LOL This issue was never about getting lazy hunters in the woods. It was about money, sell X-guns. The Moultrie guy was big into getting it pasted. Greed nothing but greed. Capehorn pull your panties out of your crack and calm down.
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: perchjerker]
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09/03/16 04:47 AM
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Don't get mad at me CR, I have too much respect for you ! LOL This issue was never about getting lazy hunters in the woods. It was about money, sell X-guns. The Moultrie guy was big into getting it pasted. Greed nothing but greed. Capehorn pull your panties out of your crack and calm down. DAMN I AM GLAD YOU'RE BACK PERCH...Now quit bein' a pansy and say how you really feel.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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09/03/16 08:22 AM
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I guess I just don't see it the way you guys do. And no one bothered to address my thoughts on using compounds vs. recurve or longbows..... because compounds are a DEFINITE advantage over recurves and longbows. Just like carbon arrows are an advantage over wooden arrows. Release vs. no release... I could go on and on and on.
Turkey247, suppose your boy wants to hunt this bow season with you but still isn't strong enough to pull back a bow. You tell him "No Jr., you're gonna have to wait till your stronger and then you can go." But then 2-3 years later Jr. has no interest in going... should you have allowed him to use a crossbow?
If hunting with a crossbow is an avenue to introduce kids to hunting, should we not take advantage of this legal means of hunting and get kids out in the field? Seems to me that we should.
And I see you guys using the word "disabled", however I don't consider myself disabled at all - I just can't pull a bow back and hold it back like I used to be able to. "Disabled" to me means in a wheelchair, having COPD and not being able to walk more than a hundred yards, etc. I still walk 1-2 miles in when I hunt Bankhead, while toting a climber on my back, pack in one hand, bow/crossbow in the other hand.
I know y'all ain't targeting me personally, but I think y'all are wrong about people using a crossbow.
Jesus... I hope you know Him personally like I do.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Proud crossbow hunter!
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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09/03/16 08:28 AM
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I aint got any issues with a kid using a crossbow before they can draw an actual bow back
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: billrv]
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09/03/16 09:28 AM
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Alright, everybody chill out. Everybody has there opinion and fussing about it on the interwebs ain't gonna change anyone's. I think Perch's biggest gripe is the same as mine. The way the state went about legalizing them was dirty and corrupt. I'll have one at my house this week setting it up for a buddy of mine. He's fixing to have open heart surgery and will miss most of the season. Even he got pissed off when the state legalized them because he is a disabled vet that jumped through all the hoops years ago to get a permit.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
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09/03/16 09:32 AM
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Turkey247, suppose your boy wants to hunt this bow season with you but still isn't strong enough to pull back a bow. You tell him "No Jr., you're gonna have to wait till your stronger and then you can go." But then 2-3 years later Jr. has no interest in going... should you have allowed him to use a crossbow?
Why would I compromise for that? We may disagree, but my values are my values. My priority list for each of my boys, are God, family, school - then a whole bunch of stuff after that in no particular order. Hunting is just not that important. Hunting is a privilege. Hunting makes some folks over emotional, and it can absolutely cause folks to compromise their values. I have to check mysef when it compromises mine. I'm gonna ease out of this conversation because I've stated twice why I feel there's a difference (creating energy at the moment of truth vs. not having to do that), but the reason is mostly ignored.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
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09/06/16 05:56 AM
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One shot with a Crossbow, multiple shot opportunities with a vertical bow. Think about it.... Quit whining about crossbows if you shoot a compound and get a real bow either a Long Bow or Recurve. Better yet go get a Spear! I'm tired of hearing my fellow archers belly aching about archery opportunities. This right here. I dont like xbows and wont ever use one. But in reality, bow hunting has gotten so gadgety there isnt that much of a difference in my mind between a wheel bow and a crossbow. I have to shoot my stick bow every day to stay in practice. My brother is trying to get back into hunting this year shot a bow for the first time in 3 years this weekend. Hes a compound guy and hit center on the target every shot and could still hit the target very accurately from 60 yards. Like I said, I dont like xbows and will never use one, but I also dont understand the ill will that wheel bow guys have for xbow guys.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
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09/06/16 03:04 PM
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One shot with a Crossbow, multiple shot opportunities with a vertical bow. Think about it.... Quit whining about crossbows if you shoot a compound and get a real bow either a Long Bow or Recurve. Better yet go get a Spear! I'm tired of hearing my fellow archers belly aching about archery opportunities. This right here. I dont like xbows and wont ever use one. But in reality, bow hunting has gotten so gadgety there isnt that much of a difference in my mind between a wheel bow and a crossbow. I have to shoot my stick bow every day to stay in practice. My brother is trying to get back into hunting this year shot a bow for the first time in 3 years this weekend. Hes a compound guy and hit center on the target every shot and could still hit the target very accurately from 60 yards. Like I said, I dont like xbows and will never use one, but I also dont understand the ill will that wheel bow guys have for xbow guys. They don't like more people in the woods. Just that simple.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
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09/07/16 07:00 AM
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For the record, my "sit to pee" comment was intended as a joke. I, quite literally, could not care any less if someone else uses a crossbow - healthy or disabled. Do. Not. Care. Now, when someone tells me they killed a deer with one, I'll congratulate them, but I'm not nearly as impressed as someone killing one with a "regular" bow. Luckily for them, my being impressed (or lack thereof) is completely meaningless to them (or, it should be anyway). If it's legal and ethical, then quite frankly it's nobody else's business what you use. I have a feeling most (not all) bashing of crossbow shooters probably began in jest, and only escalated when the crossbow shooters got bent out of shape about it instead of just laughing it off and moving on. Because let's face it, when someone gets their panties in a wad over something stupid, you just can't help but poke and prod a little more, hence: I shoot a regular bow instead of a crossbow because I don't sit to pee
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
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09/07/16 07:16 AM
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Its more than just more people in the woods. Its people that didn't care to learn the woods craft to get animals close. They sit with a cocked weapon and sling bolts at long range. Bow hunting is not about 50 yd shots. Its about getting close to an animal and making a clean kill shot. Every bow kill I have , I've seen or heard drop dead.Why can't anyone understand that wounding an animal is not acceptable to a bowhunter ?
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
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09/10/16 04:54 AM
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Hunted for 15 years with a compound. Got a crossbow last year and really enjoy it.
It's all I used last year.
Do you want to hear him gobble, or do you want to kill him.
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Re: Cross Bow Craze
[Re: perchjerker]
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09/11/16 11:55 AM
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Its more than just more people in the woods. Its people that didn't care to learn the woods craft to get animals close. They sit with a cocked weapon and sling bolts at long range. Bow hunting is not about 50 yd shots. Its about getting close to an animal and making a clean kill shot. Every bow kill I have , I've seen or heard drop dead.Why can't anyone understand that wounding an animal is not acceptable to a bowhunter ? To me this is such a pie in the sky reason and your reasoning doesn't really work. 1. People don't care to learn the woods craft to get animals close??? I've only killed 1 deer with my crossbow over 35 yds. How close is close enough to have learned the "woods craft"? 2. I don't know that my idea or definition of bow hunting is making 50yd shots, but what if is? The distance someone decides to shot at a deer is up to them but people with bows and crossbows can shot accurately out to 50yds. So the idea that a crossbow hunter doesn't have to or doesn't get deer close is ridiculous. As I said I've killed several deer with crossbows and only 1 that I can remember was over 35yds and it was under 50yds. 3. The comment about wounding deer not being acceptable to bowhunters doesn't work either. So crossbow hunters are ok with wounding deer? Is that part of the package you get with a crossbow? I've wounded more deer with a compound bow than a crossbow. I don't think anyone likes wounding deer but most bowhunters of any sort experience it at some time whether with a bow or crossbow or even rifle for that matter. Your reasons for being against them are really just personal preference or opinions of what bow hunting should be about. I just can't see preference or opinion on what bowhunting is about being what decides who should be able to be in the woods. Now while you have given your reasons for being against it I'll give my real world reasons for being for them. 1. I work anywhere from 50-70 hrs a week. I don't have the time to put in practicing to be consistent enough to where I want to use a compound. With limited time the easy setup of a crossbow allows me to still be efficient enough to harvest deer. 2. I now get more opportunity to hunt with my dad. I hunt wheeler and its bow only. He is older and has had some neck surgeries so would struggle with a compound, plus he just doesn't know the ins an outs to whats needed to have a compound set up so he could be good with it. Since crossbows have been legalized he has gone on several hunts with me which wouldn't have been possible before. 3. My son is 8yrs old and Lord willing we hope to hunt Wheeler this year. It would be several years before he would be strong enough to shoot a compound accurately that could kill a deer. Crossbows will make it possible for him to hunt with me years before he could have without them. 4. Since crossbows have been legalized I have killed 10+ deer with them. We eat deer meat regularly so thats food it has put on my table.
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