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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
[Re: BruteX]
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08/03/16 06:09 AM
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What will be the fine if caught not reporting? This was a question I was wondering about as well. How will it be enforced and what is the fine?
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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08/03/16 06:14 AM
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Do processors have to turn in some kind of data to the state of deer they've processed?
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
[Re: BruteX]
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08/03/16 06:21 AM
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Do processors have to turn in some kind of data to the state of deer they've processed? No. They tried to get some voluntary info a few years ago , but my understanding is no processor in the state gave them any, none , zero.
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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08/03/16 06:21 AM
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No fine this year (it is still mandatory). With the only caveat that it looks like you are trying to beat the system and not check deer in. It will be a year of education...
Processors nor taxidermists play any role in GC. I have heard a couple of processors say they would have tablets set up for folks to check deer in to make it easy on hunters though but that is not a requirement. That was simply a decision they made to try and help the hunters.
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
[Re: BruteX]
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08/03/16 08:05 AM
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I don't understand why so many people are opposed to the Game Check? It takes 5 minutes. Those making the laws need info to go on. Other states do it.
In Lawrence and Franklin counties where I hunt, I've counted up to 20 rifle shots fired on opening day of gun season. That's a lot of deer. I've also seen a decline in population based on what I see on the hoof and on trail camera. We've got to get this thing under control. Because many people see it as another means of control, or that it is leading up to not only having to buy a license to hunt, but having to pay for tags needed for the GC system. So you hear 20 gunshots and assume that all 20 killed a deer, could it be some were multiple shots by people missing? I don't know where you hunt but sounds carry pretty well and could it be possible that someone is just shooting targets?
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
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08/03/16 08:28 AM
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[quote=BruteX]I don't understand why so many people are opposed to the Game Check? It takes 5 minutes. Those making the laws need info to go on. Other states do it.
In Lawrence and Franklin counties where I hunt, I've counted up to 20 rifle shots fired on opening day of gun season. That's a lot of deer. I've also seen a decline in population based on what I see on the hoof and on trail camera. We've got to get this thing under control. Because many people see it as another means of control, or that it is leading up to not only having to buy a license to hunt, but having to pay for tags needed for the GC system. So you hear 20 gunshots and assume that all 20 killed a deer, could it be some were multiple shots by people missing? I don't know where you hunt but sounds carry pretty well and could it be possible that someone is just shooting targets? [/quote Targets? At 7 in the morning?
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
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08/04/16 09:16 AM
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Round ‘bout there
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PoorCountryPreacher is just being an Anarchist!!!
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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08/04/16 02:27 PM
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Wonder what percentage of the surveys are returned? Jeremy--you got any idea?
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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08/04/16 03:04 PM
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Land of the free because of th...
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I would think that GC if used properly for several years would give you a better picture of populations rising or falling on a smaller scale like down to the county instead of the whole state. Which in turn would allow better management on a county level. Maybe that is one reason they want it to work properly. My .02
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
[Re: BruteX]
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08/04/16 03:05 PM
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[quote=BruteX]I don't understand why so many people are opposed to the Game Check? It takes 5 minutes. Those making the laws need info to go on. Other states do it.
In Lawrence and Franklin counties where I hunt, I've counted up to 20 rifle shots fired on opening day of gun season. That's a lot of deer. I've also seen a decline in population based on what I see on the hoof and on trail camera. We've got to get this thing under control. Because many people see it as another means of control, or that it is leading up to not only having to buy a license to hunt, but having to pay for tags needed for the GC system. So you hear 20 gunshots and assume that all 20 killed a deer, could it be some were multiple shots by people missing? I don't know where you hunt but sounds carry pretty well and could it be possible that someone is just shooting targets? [/quote Targets? At 7 in the morning? Time was not specified, just opening day, and why not at 7am, me and my boys prefer to go to the range early as possible.
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
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08/04/16 05:36 PM
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We had a thread on here a while back debating the validity of random surveys. My stance is that those voluntarily responding to government surveys are probably not a identical group (with respect to their harvest patterns) compared with those who decline to respond. Therefore extrapolating results results in some degree of inaccuracy. Just my opinion. I've said before that's a valid point and the biggest weakness of the survey. People that don't hunt anymore are probably more likely to throw it away. But people that kill over the limit are also gonna throw it away. I'd guess that it comes close to balancing out, but it is just a guess and is unknown completely. However, whatever difference there might be between the 2 groups is likely to be consistent year after year, and we have over 50 years of data with the survey. Whether 275,000 deer were killed or 300,000, it really doesn't matter a whole lot. What's important for management decisions is identifying trends, and the survey can certainly do that. You can look the numbers up on the dcnr web site to see the % returned. I think it was 38% the past year. GC should indeed provide better data at the county level than the survey does. Even if we get only the 40-45% participation that GA got, it will immediately tell a lot about individual counties. It's just sure to take several years before GC can give reasonably accurate harvest numbers. I was told at an avid hunter meeting that they would continue to do the survey for at least the next few years as GC gets established. I don't see the point in doing that if the director thinks it's worthless.
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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08/05/16 02:08 AM
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Bought a license for 49 years and never got a survey. What do they know about me?
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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08/05/16 02:22 AM
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We had a thread on here a while back debating the validity of random surveys. My stance is that those voluntarily responding to government surveys are probably not a identical group (with respect to their harvest patterns) compared with those who decline to respond. Therefore extrapolating results results in some degree of inaccuracy. Just my opinion. I've said before that's a valid point and the biggest weakness of the survey. People that don't hunt anymore are probably more likely to throw it away. But people that kill over the limit are also gonna throw it away. I'd guess that it comes close to balancing out, but it is just a guess and is unknown completely. However, whatever difference there might be between the 2 groups is likely to be consistent year after year, and we have over 50 years of data with the survey. Whether 275,000 deer were killed or 300,000, it really doesn't matter a whole lot. What's important for management decisions is identifying trends, and the survey can certainly do that. You can look the numbers up on the dcnr web site to see the % returned. I think it was 38% the past year. GC should indeed provide better data at the county level than the survey does. Even if we get only the 40-45% participation that GA got, it will immediately tell a lot about individual counties. It's just sure to take several years before GC can give reasonably accurate harvest numbers. I was told at an avid hunter meeting that they would continue to do the survey for at least the next few years as GC gets established. I don't see the point in doing that if the director thinks it's worthless. What if the results of the Game Check and the survey are nearly identical? Will they restore our current system of not having to check in a deer? ....Naaahh. We know that wouldn't happen!
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Re: A Little Birdy Told Me
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08/05/16 03:37 AM
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Bought a license for 49 years and never got a survey. What do they know about me? Statistically, you should get one about every 30 years, so you are overdue and unlucky. I've gotten 2 in 46 years, so they sent the one you should have gotten to me.  But that's the thing that makes a random sample work - it is random and that keeps bias of any sort from entering into it. Doing a timber cruise, it is essential to have some kinda system to make it random. I remember my dad dragging me along to do one when I was about 10. He went so far as to pull a surveyor's chain thru the woods to measure the exact distance between samples. I think that was unnecessary, and have just paced it when doing them myself. If you don't have some kinda system, then bias will creep in. In my case, I'd avoid brier patches and choose open ground. Some might choose a better patch of timber. Most of the trees never got measured, but I have hit very close to what it actually cut out by cruises done with a Biltmore stick. Its an outdated method, but still works simply because its random.
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