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Debate: arrow weight vs speed #1772219
06/27/16 07:10 PM
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Which do you prefer and why?

I'm a heavy arrow guy now, used to be all about speed and big cuts til I shot one too many through the shoulder.

Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1772228
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More weight wins every time. A heavier arrow penetrates better and your bow will be quieter.


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Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1772247
06/28/16 01:01 AM
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weight. speed don't mean nothing if you don't penetrate

Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1772312
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Yep, I've been shooting 11.0 330 deep six FMJ injexions and I consistently get deeper penetration than anyone I shoot with.

Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1772337
06/28/16 03:17 AM
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I'll take slower/heavier over faster/lighter every day and twice on sundays


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Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1772370
06/28/16 03:47 AM
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weight; modern compounds are fast enough already


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Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1772373
06/28/16 03:49 AM
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I want the fastest speeds I can get and have complete penetration.


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Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1772580
06/28/16 07:52 AM
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Never shot an FMJ.. wanted to but they never have them when i need arrows. That being said i dont mind the flatter trajectory with a lighter arrow.


Only accurate rifles are interesting.
Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: 87dixieboy] #1772623
06/28/16 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Never shot an FMJ.. wanted to but they never have them when i need arrows. That being said i dont mind the flatter trajectory with a lighter arrow.


It's a pain in the ass to go to deep six diameter, (all new nocks, all new broadheads, all new field points, etc. but once you get all switched over its great. Good penetration and the arrows pull out of target much easier. Never had a bent arrow. Have broken several off in opposite shoulder.

Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: jbc] #1772715
06/28/16 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Never shot an FMJ.. wanted to but they never have them when i need arrows. That being said i dont mind the flatter trajectory with a lighter arrow.


It's a pain in the ass to go to deep six diameter, (all new nocks, all new broadheads, all new field points, etc. but once you get all switched over its great. Good penetration and the arrows pull out of target much easier. Never had a bent arrow. Have broken several off in opposite shoulder.


Why did you have to swap broadheads?


Only accurate rifles are interesting.
Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: 87dixieboy] #1772719
06/28/16 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Never shot an FMJ.. wanted to but they never have them when i need arrows. That being said i dont mind the flatter trajectory with a lighter arrow.


It's a pain in the ass to go to deep six diameter, (all new nocks, all new broadheads, all new field points, etc. but once you get all switched over its great. Good penetration and the arrows pull out of target much easier. Never had a bent arrow. Have broken several off in opposite shoulder.


Why did you have to swap broadheads?


because the standard ones wont fit the insert. totally different diameter thread.

Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1772727
06/28/16 12:39 PM
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Dang first ive heard of that. Thanks for the info


Only accurate rifles are interesting.
Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1772733
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ive gotten 1 dozen every year for 3 seasons now from a fella in Woodstock GA, @bullseyefeathers on ebay. He does 7" pathfinder wraps and blazer vanes, any color you want. have had really good service from him. Plan to order another dozen about August.

if you have had trouble getting them from your shop
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Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: jbc] #1772814
06/28/16 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Never shot an FMJ.. wanted to but they never have them when i need arrows. That being said i dont mind the flatter trajectory with a lighter arrow.


It's a pain in the ass to go to deep six diameter, (all new nocks, all new broadheads, all new field points, etc. but once you get all switched over its great. Good penetration and the arrows pull out of target much easier. Never had a bent arrow. Have broken several off in opposite shoulder.


Why did you have to swap broadheads?


because the standard ones wont fit the insert. totally different diameter thread.


Huh? I use regular broadheads in mine. Maybe you're guy just puts some weird inserts in?

Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1772918
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Originally Posted By: Atoler
Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Never shot an FMJ.. wanted to but they never have them when i need arrows. That being said i dont mind the flatter trajectory with a lighter arrow.


It's a pain in the ass to go to deep six diameter, (all new nocks, all new broadheads, all new field points, etc. but once you get all switched over its great. Good penetration and the arrows pull out of target much easier. Never had a bent arrow. Have broken several off in opposite shoulder.


Why did you have to swap broadheads?


because the standard ones wont fit the insert. totally different diameter thread.


Huh? I use regular broadheads in mine. Maybe you're guy just puts some weird inserts in?


deep six fmj's

regular fmjs are regular

deep six you have to look for "deep six" logo on the broadhead case

Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1773000
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Weight. Penetrates better, bow is quiter, and not effected by wind as much

Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1773180
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Weight all day. I either use "traditional only" 400 spined carbons with 150 grain zwickey 2 blades or wood 55-60s with 150 grain zwickey 2 blades. I have shot completely through plenty. And if the head is sharpened regularly, they don't make it far.


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Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: jbc] #1773527
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Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: Atoler
Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Never shot an FMJ.. wanted to but they never have them when i need arrows. That being said i dont mind the flatter trajectory with a lighter arrow.


It's a pain in the ass to go to deep six diameter, (all new nocks, all new broadheads, all new field points, etc. but once you get all switched over its great. Good penetration and the arrows pull out of target much easier. Never had a bent arrow. Have broken several off in opposite shoulder.


Why did you have to swap broadheads?


because the standard ones wont fit the insert. totally different diameter thread.


Huh? I use regular broadheads in mine. Maybe you're guy just puts some weird inserts in?


deep six fmj's

regular fmjs are regular

deep six you have to look for "deep six" logo on the broadhead case


That's the micro diameter shaft with the hidden insert right? I believe that's what I have

Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1773537
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Re: Debate: arrow weight vs speed [Re: Atoler] #1782022
07/10/16 06:44 AM
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I just Bought some Easton Da Torch arrows and will be getting some FMJ arrows soon and will be running some tests on penetration. Everyone has an opinion but I need to see the results for myself. I have been shooting Beaman ICS Hunter Pro's for years (8.1 GPI I think).

I shot a doe at 16 yards @ 60lbs, Rage Hypo (Hoyt Carbon Element G3) with a with one of those Hunter Pro's and didn't go through the shoulder blade ended up losing the deer. I found the arrow 25 yards from the shot.

It was broke off 2" from the Broadhead. I know it was a poor shot (Shoulder Blade) but I have busted through that shoulder blade before and recovered deer from farther away than that.

The Da Torch arrows are 7.2 gpi and narrower shafts that the ICS. They fly awesome but have valid concerns regarding kinetic energy and penetration in a hunting situation.

I have literally changed every aspect of my set-up including bow, arrows, release...you name it.

I did NOT increase draw weight. I have had several long holds on deer (I draw when they are behind a tree if I can and sometimes they don't sense something and hesitate before stepping out).

I had a hold that was so long once that although I made a successful shot, I could not have held the bow back another 5 seconds and my shoulder was tore up for 10 days. This is why I stay at 60lbs.

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