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Re: Roswell Women
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Sherman didn't engage in terrorism. He waged war. All these civilians were aiding the war effort. The Roswell women were working at a mill that made cloth for the confederate army. Rail lines carried food and munitions. His aim was to destroy the war making ability and end the war.
Do you not think that America wouldn't engage in similar tactics if it weren't for the press? America defoliated Southeast Asia. Destroyed European cities. McArthur wanted to nuke the chinese and north koreans. Don't look at the approval or what you consider nice ways to wage war.
IED's are horrible but they are tremendously effective. They literally take maybe $100 and hold up a billion dollars worth of war fighting men and machine. Of course I hate them, but if someone invades my country and I want to wage war on them, IED's are in the arsenal.
It's all about waging war. Sherman did it as well as any. All is fair in love and war.
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Re: Roswell Women
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The women were working at a mill making cloth for the confederate army. That is aiding the war effort. Confederate troops pillaged Manassas and other places. It was a common tactic. The number of raped & sodomized women were uncountable. He shot children because they cried and annoyed him.
You got any references for these claims?
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Re: Roswell Women
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He pillaged, raped, and robbed his way through Georgia. What food & crops he didn't steal, he destroyed. He spoilt the fields with salt to keep crops from being grown again. The number of raped & sodomized women were uncountable. He shot children because they cried and annoyed him. He broke the legs of any visibly healthy men for 60 miles wide across Georgia.
Any attempt at defending him is telling.
Now you are just coming up with myth and hysteria.
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Re: Roswell Women
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He spoilt the fields with salt to keep crops from being grown again.. They would never have wasted salt, it was almost as expensive as gold.
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Re: Roswell Women
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He spoilt the fields with salt to keep crops from being grown again.. They would never have wasted salt, it was almost as expensive as gold. They did indeed. Read Michael Fellman's book, Citizen Sherman, and others. He stole what he could transport and dumped the rest in the fields of farmers.
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Re: Roswell Women
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Also, Sherman was a failure at conventional warfare:
"Similarly, I would be curious to know what Fellman makes of Sherman's ineptness as a battlefield tactician. Whatever his virtues as an operational commander, Sherman was downright awful in his handling of military engagements. His off-hand remark at Chickasaw Bayou in December 1862 -- that it would cost 5,000 men to capture Vicksburg, and the price might as well be paid then as later -- was the prelude to an unimaginative frontal assault on the Walnut Hills that ended in prompt, complete failure. At Missionary Ridge in November 1863 his share of the attack suffered humiliating defeat in what was otherwise a storybook Union triumph. The bloody, needless assault at Kennesaw Mountain in June 1864 -- vividly depicted in Charles Royster's THE DESTRUCTIVE WAR (1991) -- also fits the pattern, as does Sherman's squandering of a wonderful opportunity to destroy the Confederate army at Bentonville in March 1865.
Albert Castel made a formidable case against Sherman's generalship in DECISION IN THE WEST: THE ATLANTA CAMPAIGN OF 1864 (1992), but it has always seemed to me that Sherman's tactical clumsiness cries out for psychological interpretation. It almost seems as if Sherman mistrusted his ability to outfight an opponent on the battlefield, convinced himself that tactical finesse did not matter, and so committed his forces to action with little forethought -- or, as at Bentonville, withheld them just as inexplicably. Of these actions, Fellman comments only on Kennesaw Mountain, and, considering his bold conclusions on other subjects, his position here is disappointingly modest: he says only that it is not possible to know exactly why Sherman ordered the attack; he does not seem to realize that even frontal assaults can be carried out with calculating intelligence rather than wild abandon."
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Re: Roswell Women
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He pillaged, raped, and robbed his way through Georgia. What food & crops he didn't steal, he destroyed. He spoilt the fields with salt to keep crops from being grown again. The number of raped & sodomized women were uncountable. He shot children because they cried and annoyed him. He broke the legs of any visibly healthy men for 60 miles wide across Georgia.
Any attempt at defending him is telling.
Now you are just coming up with myth and hysteria. And you are defending the indefensible. I have read many books, probably 8-10, biographies of Sherman. Maybe you should read some too? It was funny when someone brought up slavery. Sherman loathed black people entirely. But go to the Indian Wars. His true self was revealed when he massacred thousands of innocent women and children. Like I said, he was a monster.
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Re: Roswell Women
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They were all horrible at conventional warfare because they were fighting with outdated ideas and modern technology. Picketts Charge was a futile waste of men.
From the reviews it doesn't look like Fellman researched his book very well. Since Sherman considered Salt contraband and understood its value I doubt he would have wasted it on fields. Especially since he would have had to haul all that salt down from the north since the south was severely low on salt.
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Re: Roswell Women
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I've read plenty about Sherman. I'm just asking for a reference. You are the one throwing out wild claims about breaking legs, salting fields and shooting children.
I never said Sherman was one way or the other in reference to slavery. I think the point was that you were defending the south, which condoned the owning of slaves and did not see the irony in your position.
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Re: Roswell Women
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Also, a lot of people think Sherman's tactics were something he came up with himself. Total destruction and humiliation was something that was entrenched in militaria long before Sherman. Read up on what Floyd did to the Creeks during the Creek Indian war under Andrew Jackson.
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Re: Roswell Women
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Also, a lot of people think Sherman's tactics were something he came up with himself. Total destruction and humiliation was something that was entrenched in militaria long before Sherman. Read up on what Floyd did to the Creeks during the Creek Indian war under Andrew Jackson. You are very correct. Sherman was not nearly astute enough to have an original, clever idea pertaining to warfare. I have never been a fan of Jackson either for what he did to the Indians. Especially the Cherokees. His most famous battle would not have been successful had it not been for the Cherokees being his ally. When he told Marshall & the Supreme Court to enforce their own decision, he should have been impeached & imprisoned. History has a strange way of revealing the truth, and sometimes not the truth.
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Re: Roswell Women
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He still wouldnt have wasted salt or gone on a leg breaking spree.
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Re: Roswell Women
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Repeated raping of women and young girls, and indiscriminate murder of women and children, still occurs every day in war-torn areas of Africa engaged in civil conflicts.
We probably could find a good organization or two to accept donations if you'd like to help fight those atrocities.
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Re: Roswell Women
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He still wouldnt have wasted salt or gone on a leg breaking spree. Many still don't believe he kidnapped women & children and sent them North to starve either.
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Re: Roswell Women
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He still wouldnt have wasted salt or gone on a leg breaking spree. Many still don't believe he kidnapped women & children and sent them North to starve either. Where did he send them? North is a pretty big place.
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Re: Roswell Women
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Repeated raping of women and young girls, and indiscriminate murder of women and children, still occurs every day in war-torn areas of Africa engaged in civil conflicts.
I would like to think that our country and it's military was/is better than that. Maybe not.
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