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I would love to one day piss on Sherman's grave:

The Union troops took about 400 mill workers, all of them women and children, to Marietta to be sent North on trains. The lack of adult male workers in the mill was a result of their fighting for the Confederacy in the Civil War at the time the mill was captured. All of the mill workers were charged with treason. They spent a week in holding at the Georgia Military Institute before being sent North, many to Indiana, on trains. During the week while the women were held in Marietta, several Union soldiers allegedly committed acts of sexual assault against their captives. They were then left to fend for themselves in Indiana, in towns already overcrowded with refugees. Many would die from starvation or exposure until a mill opened in 1865 that provided employment. The ultimate fates of many of these women are unknown, but the majority who survived settled in the North. Only a handful ever returned to Georgia.

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tell me when and I'll buy the beer for piss making.......


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He was a great General that believed in a hard war but more importantly an easy peace.

In his letter to the Atlanta City Council :

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I want peace, and believe it can only be reached through union and war, and I will ever conduct war with a view to perfect and early success. But, my dear sirs, when peace does come, you may call on me for anything. Then will I share with you the last cracker, and watch with you to shield your homes and families against danger from every quarter.


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I agree with Dustin. If there's one thing you can say about Sherman, it's that he knew how to prosecute a war.

Lesson from Sherman, post WWII Germany, and post-WWII Japan: When the war is prosecuted harshly, and especially when the civilian population suffers greatly, the peace is lasting and comparatively easy. So-called quick and easy conquests (like Iraq) lead to guerrilla action and civil unrest.

Not pretty, but there it is.

Can you imagine what the aftermath of the Civil War would have been like if the Confederate armies had merely been defeated on the battlefield?


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There are lines that may, or may not be crossed when at war.

When women and children are exploited and tortured in the name of war, and the leaders of those type campaigns are praised, what have we become?

The North invaded the South, not to preserve the Union, but to preserve the prosperity of the North, and continue to control taxation in the South.

Sherman was a sad figure in American history however you review his method of war.

He is known as a great General but without compassion for his fellow humans. Not very flattering in my book.

I would still love to piss on his grave.

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"Can you imagine what the aftermath of the Civil War would have been like if the Confederate armies had merely been defeated on the battlefield?"

Yes I can. I believe the South would have taken the stance of R.E. Lee and denounced any "Guerilla Warfare" attempt and the South would not have gone through years and years of miserable Reconstruction.

R.E. Lee discouraged his soldiers from making life miserable for civilians on the other side. It should have been expected that the other side follow suit.

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Originally Posted By: Shuter II
There are lines that may, or may not be crossed when at war.

When women and children are exploited and tortured in the name of war, and the leaders of those type campaigns are praised, what have we become.

He is known as a great General but without compassion for his fellow humans. Not very flattering in my book.


You mean things like slavery?

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Originally Posted By: Kudzu
Originally Posted By: Shuter II
There are lines that may, or may not be crossed when at war.

When women and children are exploited and tortured in the name of war, and the leaders of those type campaigns are praised, what have we become.

He is known as a great General but without compassion for his fellow humans. Not very flattering in my book.


You mean things like slavery?



stick to the subject>>>>>Sherman. Terrorist taking the war to women and children. Period.


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Originally Posted By: BhamFred


stick to the subject>>>>>Sherman. Terrorist taking the war to women and children. Period.


WTF are you?


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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
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There are lines that may, or may not be crossed when at war.

When women and children are exploited and tortured in the name of war, and the leaders of those type campaigns are praised, what have we become.

He is known as a great General but without compassion for his fellow humans. Not very flattering in my book.


You mean things like slavery?



stick to the subject>>>>>Sherman. Terrorist taking the war to women and children. Period.


Bringing up slavery is a last ditch effort to legitimize the war by those who know little about it.

Bet he didn't know the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in South either.

Plus, Sherman was not against slavery in the least. He thought that slavery was the black man's destiny.

He was a terrorist and a madman carrying out a campaign to get Lincoln re-elected.

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I do believe that Lincoln had Sherman post-pone his march to the sea until after the election so that argument doesn't hold.

Maybe you should look into why the Emancipation Proclamation only applied to the Southern States.


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"Most of the raids on Indian camps were conducted in the winter, when families would be together and could therefore all be killed at once. Sherman gave Sheridan "authorization to slaughter as many women and children as well as men Sheridan or his subordinates felt was necessary when they attacked Indian villages" (Fellman, p. 271). All livestock was also killed so that any survivors would be more likely to starve to death.

Sherman was once brought before a congressional committee after federal Indian agents, who were supposed to be supervising the Indians who were on reservations, witnessed "the horror of women and children under military attack." Nothing came of the hearings, however. Sherman ordered his subordinates to kill the Indians without restraint to achieve what he called "the final solution of the Indian problem," and promised that if the newspapers found out about it he would "run interference against any complaints about atrocities back East" (Fellman, p. 271).

Eight years into his war of "extermination" Sherman was bursting with pride over his accomplishments. "I am charmed at the handsome conduct of our troops in the field," he wrote Sheridan in 1874. "They go in with the relish that used to make our hearts glad in 1864-5" (Fellman, p. 272).

Another part of Sherman's "final solution" strategy against this "inferior race" was the massive slaughter of buffalo, a primary source of food for the Indians. If there were no longer any buffalo near where the railroad traveled, he reasoned, then the Indians would not go there either. By 1882 the American buffalo was essentially extinct."

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I don't give a rip about something that happened that long ago and debating it is useless.

The term terrorist is used by the victim. The south were victims of Sherman. Had he been a southerner and done that to the north you'd be fine with it.

There were plenty of atrocities on both sides.

Ya'll need something productive to do with your time.


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