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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1692210
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Seems like Tyranasaurus Rex would get a shout out if he was still around

Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1692242
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[Quote=Irishguy]

It's interesting that people in this thread are labeling others as atheist and agnostics just because they have a slightly different belief system then their own. Kind of sad really [/quote ]

If you are referring to me, then go back and reread what I wrote.

I've had extremely lengthy and deep conversations over the years with Aldeer members who openly reject the concept of God and the validity of the Bible. They are atheists. I've had similar discussions with those who aren't sure God exists or at least not like the Bible says and the Bible is fictional in many areas. They are agnostic. I've had countless talks on these subjects with those who believe in God but maybe not a literal interpretation of the Bible or question man's role in changing Scripture. These are the ones with "slightly different ideas".

If you were around before 2013, you'd most likely recall the discussions. Nothing sad or wrong about calling an actual atheist an atheist or an agnostic an agnostic or an unsure an unsure. It's accurate and truthful.

What IS sad is that many reject the Truth and will suffer unimaginable consequences if they never enter into a saving relationship with Christ. What IS sad is when many trust man's knowledge and ideology OVER God's Gospel Truth laid out in the Bible. What IS sad is when even believers are deceived and compromise their beliefs to match what the secular world says is true, therefore abandoning God's Absolute Truth and leaving a compromised theology they pass on to their children. Recall that Jesus himself defended and asserted that all of the scriptures were true and authentic and authoritative.


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: mike35549] #1692247
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Originally Posted By: mike35549
Interesting read about if you can loose your salvation.

The bible is really clear on salvation. It is not based on how good you are. A lot of people think that they’re pretty good, and that they are going to get to heaven because they’re pretty good but the Bible says, “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23) The Bible says, “As it is written there is none righteous, no, not one.” (Romans 3:10) I’m not righteous. You’re not righteous, and if it were our goodness that would get us into heaven, none of us would be going.

The bible even says in Revelation 21:8, “But the fearful and unbelieving, the abominable and murderers and sorcerers and whoremongers and idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” I have lied before. Everyone has lied before, so we have all sinned, and we have done things worse than lying. Let’s face it: we all deserve hell.

But the Bible says, “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 5:8) Jesus Christ, because he loves us, came to this earth. The bible says he was God manifest in the flesh. God basically took on human form. He lived a sinless life. He did not commit any sin, and of course, they beat him, and spit on him, and nailed him to the cross. The Bible says that when he was on that cross he “himself bare our sins in his own body on the tree.” (1 Peter 2:24) So every sin you have ever done, and every sin I have ever done - it was as if Jesus had done it. He was being punished for our sins. Then they took his body when he had died, and buried it in the tomb, and his soul went down to Hell for three days and three nights (Acts 2:31). Three days later he rose again from the dead. He showed unto the disciples the holes in his hands. The Bible is really clear that Jesus did die for everybody. It says that he died “not for our sins only, but also for the sins of the whole world” (1 John 2:2). But there is something that we must do to be saved. The bible has that question in Acts 16, “What must I do to be saved? And they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.” That is all. He did NOT say, “Join a church, and you’ll be saved. Get baptized, and you’ll be saved. Live a good life, and you’ll be saved. Repent of all your sins, and you’ll be saved, NO. He said “believe.”

Even the most famous verse in the whole Bible, whose reference is written on the bottom of the cup at “In and Out Burger.” It’s so famous. Everybody’s heard of it: John 3:16. “For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.” And everlasting means everlasting. It means forever, and Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.” (John 10:28) The Bible says in John 6:47, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me hath everlasting life.” So if you believe on Jesus Christ, the Bible says you have everlasting life. You are going to live forever. You can’t lose your salvation. It’s eternal, it’s everlasting. Once you’re saved, once you believe on him, you’re saved forever, and no matter what, you can never lose your salvation.

Even if I were to go out and commit some awful sin, God will punish me for it on this earth. If I went out and killed somebody today, God would make sure that I got punished, I’m going to prison, or far worse, or the death penalty. However this world punishes me, and God is going to make sure I get punished even more, but I’m not going to Hell. There is nothing I can do to go to hell because I’m saved, and if I went to hell, then God lied. Because he promised that whoever believeth has everlasting life, and he said, “Whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die.” That is why there are a lot of examples of people in the Bible who did some really bad things, yet they made it to Heaven. How? Because they were so good? NO, it’s because they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. Their sins are forgiven. Other people who may have lived a better life in the world’s eyes, or maybe they really even lived a better life, if they don’t believe in Christ, they are going to have to go to hell to be punished for their sins.

Let me just close on this one thought: one thing that I wanted to be sure and bring up today is that there was a question that was asked to Jesus by one of his disciples, and that question was this: are there few that be saved? That’s a good question, right? Are most people saved? Or is it few that are saved? Who here thinks that most people are going to heaven - that most people in this world are going to heaven? Guess what the answer was: he said, in Matthew 7, “Enter ye in at the strait gate because wide is the gate and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way that leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” (Matthew 7:13-14) Then he went on to say this: “Not everyone that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name, and in thy name have cast out devils, and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you, depart from me ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:21-23)

First of all, the majority of this world doesn’t even claim to believe in Jesus. Thankfully the majority of this classroom claims to believe in Jesus, but the majority of the world does not claim to believe in Jesus. But God warned that even amongst those who claim to believe in Jesus, even among those that call him Lord, many will be saying to him, “We did all these wonderful works! Why aren’t we saved!” He is going to say, “Depart from me, I never knew you.” That is because salvation is not by works, and if you are trusting your own works to save you, if you think you’re going to heaven because you’ve been baptized, if you think, “Well, I think you have to live a good life, I think you have to keep the commandments to be saved, I think you have to go to church, I think you have to turn from your sins…” If you are trusting in your works, Jesus is going to say to you one day, “Depart from me, I never knew you.”

You must have all your faith in what he did. You must put your faith in what Jesus did on the cross when he died for you, was buried, and rose again. That’s your ticket into heaven. If you’re trusting other things, and you say, “Well, I’m going to heaven because I’m such a good Christian, and I do all these wonderful things.” He is going to say, “Depart from me.” Notice what he said, “Depart from me, I NEVER knew you.” He didn’t say, “I used to know you.” Once he knows you… remember I mentioned this earlier: it’s everlasting its eternal. Once he knows you, you are saved forever. He is going to say, “Depart from me, I never knew you,” because if you go to Hell, it is because he never knew you. Because once he knows you, he knows you. Just as my children will always be my children. When you’re born again, when you’re his child, you’ll always be his child. You may be the black sheep of the family. You may be somebody who gets disciplined by God heavily on this earth. You can screw up your life down here, but you can’t screw up salvation. Once you are saved, it is a done deal. That is the main thing I wanted to present to you about the end times, and we do have just a few minutes for questions about either salvation or about the end times.

I will say this. In acts when peter was asked what Must we do to be saved he replied "Repent AND be baptized" so to say the bible doesn't mention baptism as a part of best ng saved is wrong. It also mentions that eight souls were saved by water( Noah and his family) and in the same likeness baptism also saves us. Its not just the Baptism but a combination of belief,repentance,confession that Christ is gods son and then baptism. All are part of the recipe for being saved. Leave out any part and you are not saved according to the bible.
I'm not going to get it into arguments that always follow when baptism is mentioned as a requirement. In the old testament there were certain things that had to be done for sacrifices to be acceptable. If any part was left out it was unacceptable. The same God,father of Christ makes the rules and we have examples in the bible to go by. Anybody can take one verse alone and insinuate it is all that is needed but if you only read a few verses and not the whole its like only reading one paragraph in an instruction manual for a complex project. All must be followed.


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: jbc] #1692254
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Originally Posted By: jbc
Seems like Tyranasaurus Rex would get a shout out if he was still around


But he wasn't so they didn't include him or any other dinosaur.


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1692274
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Neither was the opossum, snipe, kiwi, or Buffalo.


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1692281
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Right because there was no boat that was 500 feet long built by a man hundreds of years old along with his 7 companions to hold two (or maybe 7) of every animal on the earth to avoid a worldwide (or regional depending on who you ask) flood to rid the world of man's sin. And don't say "oh you can't disprove it didn't happen" because the burden of proof is on the person making the assertion, not the one denying it.


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Deadwood] #1692284
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Originally Posted By: Deadwood
A talking serpent. Hmmmmm.

The Earth is only 6000 years old or whatever because that's what the "begats" add up to. Nahhhhh.

rofl


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1692340
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300gr, my understanding is the bible is talking about spiritual baptism not water baptism. The thief on the cross was not baptized with water, but he dined with Christ in paradise that night.

Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1692348
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There is a theory with some evidence when the original words are studied that there could have been a vast number of years between Genesis 1:1 And Genesis 1:2.

In the KJV it says the earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. The original is Tohu Wa-Bohu. The word implies chaos and desolation. The original languages also implies that the earth was made to be that way.

The theory is that the fall of Satan caused this state of chaos and desolation. Jesus said that he had witnessed Lucifer fall as a star from Heaven to the earth. Those who hold to this theory suppose that Satan's fall could have been the cataclysm that ended the age of dinosaurs. They hold that the earth could be very old before God came into the destruction and created Adam and all the animals as we know them today,basically recreating everything that was destroyed.

It's only a theory. What we do know for sure is that the Bible does not tell us of all the history of the earth nor of Heaven or the war that was fought there. The Bible deals mostly with God's redemptive plan for man.

Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Simpleman] #1692349
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Originally Posted By: Simpleman
300gr, my understanding is the bible is talking about spiritual baptism not water baptism. The thief on the cross was not baptized with water, but he dined with Christ in paradise that night.


We could argue about the necessity or lack of necessity concerning water baptism till Jesus comes back and never get either side to agree.

Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1692350
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This discussion only goes to hell....topic closed.


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