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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1691350
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This thread could get interesting

Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: hollywud20] #1691353
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Originally Posted By: hollywud20
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The races has always been a head scratcher on the flooding story.

And rounding up rattlesnakes and moccasins and copperheads and getting them on a boat. Devine intervention could help with the animals, but still doesn't explain races.


Why couldn't the races have been Devine intervention?


God plopping a created jap in Japan, a chinaman in China, a Mexican in Mexico etc?

It would have been the greatest miracle of all. Seems like it would have made the final cut of the Bible

Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: pcola4] #1691359
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Originally Posted By: pcola4
there is a lot of science to back up a world wide flood. Too much to be refuted. Christian Scientists explain it better than I can. Google it.


Yes, indeed - the atheist scientists of the world all say that some time in Earth's past there was a global flood. Most say this was caused or started with a big asteroid impact near the Yucatan Peninsula, and possibly other such impact about the same time. They also say that that is when the extinction of the dinosaurs began.

Go to the Institute for Creation research and buy some of their books.

www.icr.org

Also Creation Today (Dr. Ken Hovind)(got in a little IRS trouble but has nothing to do with the science part).

http://creationtoday.org/

Edit: have to add this about ICR. ICR was started by one of the greatest Christians of the 20th Century - Dr. Henry Morris. Most Christian scholars put Dr. Morris into the category of the "Big Pillars" of 20th Century Christianity - with Dr. Billy Graham, C.S. Lewis, Dr. Bill Bright (Campus Crusade for Christ).

Dr. Morris study Bible with commentaries is imo the best study Bible in existence.


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: FurFlyin] #1691362
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Originally Posted By: FurFlyin
I believe every single word of what the Bible says. The inerrant and infallible word of God, written by man, inspired by God.




Thank you!!!!!! How can anyone lay claim to being a Christian and NOT believe the Word of God?


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: extreme heights hunter] #1691365
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Originally Posted By: extreme heights hunter
This thread could get interesting


That was the intent... To get people exchanging ideas about something besides those people who are running for such and such... grin

Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: sbo1971] #1691366
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Originally Posted By: sbo1971
Originally Posted By: FurFlyin
I believe every single word of what the Bible says. The inerrant and infallible word of God, written by man, inspired by God.




Thank you!!!!!! How can anyone lay claim to being a Christian and NOT believe the Word of God?


By believing that some of them are parables, allegories, exemplums, fables, etc

Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: sbo1971] #1691369
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Originally Posted By: sbo1971
Originally Posted By: FurFlyin
I believe every single word of what the Bible says. The inerrant and infallible word of God, written by man, inspired by God.




Thank you!!!!!! How can anyone lay claim to being a Christian and NOT believe the Word of God?


Amen - and have to point out this EXTREMELY important fact of Scripture: Christ himself discussed and pointed out the historiocity of all those Old Testament characters - including Noah and the Flood.


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Beer Belly] #1691370
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Originally Posted By: Beer Belly

No the world did NOT flood and kill everyone.

With regular math, not common core, explain:
How did Noah's 3 boys and their wife repopulate the WORLD; & to the point that there were wars and different races of people just ~200yrs later.

Then explain which of his kids became:
American Indians
Aborigines
Eskimos
Incas
Japanese
Chinese

Please further explain. There is Chinese writings that date back to before the flood. EVERYONE DIED, then there was Chinese writing after the flood. Which of Noah's kids was fluent in Chinese?

How many people died in the flood? Noah was only ~8-9 generations after Adam & Eve. Explain that population grown dynamic that creates millions of people in just ~8 generations starting from 2. Adam and Eve only had ~3 kids (not sure of this). They were all boys, so explain that asexual reproduction process as well.


Scientists will tell you that within just a few people lies all the genetic variation to lead to all those different people and ethnicity types.


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: sbo1971] #1691371
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Originally Posted By: sbo1971
Originally Posted By: FurFlyin
I believe every single word of what the Bible says. The inerrant and infallible word of God, written by man, inspired by God.




Thank you!!!!!! How can anyone lay claim to being a Christian and NOT believe the Word of God?


I do have trouble "believing" in some stuff in the Bible, but that doesn't mean that I don't have "Faith" in God or Jesus. Belief and Faith are two different things.

So if someone questions religion they are going to burn in Hell?

Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: jbc] #1691373
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Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: sbo1971
Originally Posted By: FurFlyin
I believe every single word of what the Bible says. The inerrant and infallible word of God, written by man, inspired by God.




Thank you!!!!!! How can anyone lay claim to being a Christian and NOT believe the Word of God?


By believing that they are parables, allegories, exemplums, fables, etc


The Scripture is clear when it is giving/using parables and when it is not.


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: WmHunter] #1691376
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Scientists will tell you that within just a few people lies all the genetic variation to lead to all those different people and ethnicity types. [/quote]

Didn't the find a woman buried in Africa that scientists are calling EVE a few years ago?



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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: bama1157] #1691381
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Originally Posted By: bama1157


Scientists will tell you that within just a few people lies all the genetic variation to lead to all those different people and ethnicity types.


Didn't the find a woman buried in Africa that scientists are calling EVE a few years ago? [/quote]

yes, something along those lines was the claim.


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1691393
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I'm of the same mind as Irishguy. I believe all the tall tales come from people that were describing things based on their understanding at the time.

I absolutely believe in the Holy Trinity and Jesus' perfect act of salvation for the lost through Gods' Grace.

I don't take at face value man's wisdom. The Earth was flat once- OR ELSE.

It's OK to have questions or need scientific evidence.



Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1691398
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Speaking of Bible stories, I was sad to hear that Of Prophets and Kings was cancelled after two weeks. I know Hollywood was taking some liberties to fill in some gaps in the story of David, but we never got to see him kill Goliath, which by the way, I absolutely believe happened as the Bible account is given.

I was hoping on this show being as biblically accurate as it can and then next maybe a full accounting of the life of Samson.


Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1691400
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I believe there are miracles from God. I also believe people can whip themselves into an ecstatic frenzy and believe it comes from God. Just use your noggin.



Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1691406
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If you ever wonder what effect man has had on the Bible through the ages Deadwood..

Just look at Constantine and the council of Nicea in AD. 325 when men decided what books would and would not be in the bible... then they supposedly ordered all the other Gospels to be destroyed...



How do you feel about all the other Gospels they have found over the years are they real or fabrications?

Don't get me wrong i am a believer 100% sometimes I guess I just think too much..



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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Deadwood] #1691415
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Originally Posted By: Deadwood
I'm of the same mind as Irishguy. I believe all the tall tales come from people that were describing things based on their understanding at the time.

I absolutely believe in the Holy Trinity and Jesus' perfect act of salvation for the lost through Gods' Grace.

I don't take at face value man's wisdom. The Earth was flat once- OR ELSE.

It's OK to have questions or need scientific evidence.


I agree with all of that.

Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Beer Belly] #1691418
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Originally Posted By: Beer Belly

No the world did NOT flood and kill everyone.

With regular math, not common core, explain:
How did Noah's 3 boys and their wife repopulate the WORLD; & to the point that there were wars and different races of people just ~200yrs later.

Then explain which of his kids became:
American Indians
Aborigines
Eskimos
Incas
Japanese
Chinese

Please further explain. There is Chinese writings that date back to before the flood. EVERYONE DIED, then there was Chinese writing after the flood. Which of Noah's kids was fluent in Chinese?

How many people died in the flood? Noah was only ~8-9 generations after Adam & Eve. Explain that population grown dynamic that creates millions of people in just ~8 generations starting from 2. Adam and Eve only had ~3 kids (not sure of this). They were all boys, so explain that asexual reproduction process as well.


In 200 years time it would be possible. Also remember that we're not talking 300 billion people here. Population estimates around 1000BC are only around 50 million people. Also remember that it doesn't take vast armies to have a "war". The Indians did it with tribes.

Genesis 10 is known as the Table of Nations. It explains how, from the 3 sons of Noah, the different nations were created. You can also read in Genesis 11 where the initial creation of the different languages began.

I've never seen or heard anything concerning Chinese writings before the flood. There's no doubt that people used hieroglyphics as forms of communication. And I don't believe that the Bible addresses anywhere the number of different languages present before the flood. Could have been 1, could have been many. A lot happens over the course of 1000 years.

The Bible does't specifically tell us how many people died in the flood. What it does tell us, though, in Genesis 6:13 is that God's plan was to destroy ALL of the people AND the earth. That's the only evidence I need to believe that everyone alive on the earth at the time died.

Genesis 5:4 tells us that Adam had sons and daughters. No asexual reproduction took place.

To answer the OP's question, I do believe that every story in the Bible is true, even though a lot of them can't be physically explained. You've got talking serpents and donkeys, bodies of water splitting apart leaving dry ground, rivers turning to blood, floods wiping out creation and destroying the earth, people coming back to life etc., etc. However, one day I'll be able to talk to the people who experienced these things first hand and will hear how it all happened. Until then, I'll keep living by faith, knowing that I serve the God who created it all and He can do whatever he wants with it however he wants to (and he doesn't have to do it in a way that will fit inside my box of understanding).


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Re: Bible Stories - True, False or In Between? [Re: Irishguy] #1691420
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It also seems like a leap of faith to even believe that all 100% of the men involved in the writing of the Bible were truly inspired directly by God, and not doing it for some other self serving reason. Not unlike some of the preachers you see today in it for the money.

Obviously the New Testament writers were recounting things they saw and lived. Who knows if some of the Old Testament guys were truly inspired by God or making stuff up to gain notoriety

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That's another interesting point that I too wonder about, Bama 1157!

The lost gospel of Thomas.
The lost gospel of Mary Magdeline.
The lost gospel of Judas the Traitor.

When you speak of it you will hear "Yeah, that was Divine Intervention and we received exactly the right accounts that God wanted us to have." Maybe so.

Hey, who knows. I don't give a rip, all I need to know is that Jesus says he died for me and that's enough. All the difference in opinion is just white noise to me.


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