Stikman, do you know why the shot out runs the wad on the slow-mo videos?

Because the choke is doing its job of stripping the wad from the shot.which is why you see choke damage and not barrel damage.

If you think a lifetime supply of federals wads would make a difference your crazy.

You also can't compare steel that is 20 times larger than tss, even if the payload is equal because the buffered tss can't get compacted as easy as the small buffered shot.

chrome lined barrels ar more durable but like I said before if the shot is harder than the barrel it will do damage. Period!

If you ruined a barrel you were shooting handloads

I don't shoot hand load.
It was 100% factory steel shot from a just about every manufacturer.
I usually practice with my same hunting loads all summer shooting game skeet with some buddies. And until last year I duck hunted religiously. I did exactly what I said I did and that was wearing a barrel out with steel shot

wrong!
The choke doesn't strip the wad until the wad enters the choke.
It the resistance of the wadding that slows the wad down.
Federal wads are 10 times as thick as mular.
I religiously shot #5 steel shot and they were mostly buffered loads. I don't think this are 20 times the size.

Stikman you're issues you have had with steel and barrels doesn't have anything to do with TSS. On top of that, it sounds like you don't have any experience with TSS. So, you can't just come rolling up in here making a blanket statement that TSS is hell on barrels when you have no clue what you're talking about

You're the only person I've evever heard of who uses steel 5's to break skeets in the summertime. You could just about buy a shotgun for every couple cases of those you run through.

That would just plain suck on the shoulder too. Shooting max dram steel duck loads at dirt! Another makes me SMDH

Yes it was a blanket statement and with that if any of you don't think that shooting a material that is harder than your barrel will not do some kind of damage to your barrel then your crazy!
I never said your barrel will blow up and you'll suffer extreme injuries from shooting TSS. I started shoot tungsten in 2003-2005 made by Kent duck hunting so I believe I have a little bit of experience with tungsten, steel, and hevishot.
Hell I might start shooting it again one of these days, I still cannot see what the hype is about them. When I first started killing turkeys I shot #6 2 3/4 nitros and had no problem killing birds at 45 yards.

I'm sure you've heard of practice like you play right?

For the life of me I cannot find a target load that is the same fps as a hunting load. A 200 fps difference in shells will make you miss every time!
Jallencrockett will testify that when it comes to wing shooting I DON'T MISS VERY OFTEN!

I'm sure you've heard of practice like you play right?

For the life of me I cannot find a target load that is the same fps as a hunting load. A 200 fps difference in shells will make you miss every time!
Jallencrockett will testify that when it comes to wing shooting I DON'T MISS VERY OFTEN!
you just got yo man up

The advantage is you can do that with a 3 lb 410 with TSS

*Sigh*

Wish Turkey season would get here.





God Bless,
David B.

Those tss loads are for piss poor callers that can't coax ol tom in that last 15or 20 yards.
Much like the change over to carbon arrows from aluminum or pointed soft points from round nose, or fixed blades to mechanical heads, all will do the job but one is superior to the other in some circumstances.

Stickman do you shoot tss or have you had any guns damaged from it?

Wrong! The shot gets crammed in the wad on initial setback and stays there until the wad hits the choke, the wad doesn't have but little if any resistance until it hits the choke that has a smaller diameter than the barrel. Do you have any freaking clue how shot shells and choke tubes work in the first place?

Wads usually run about .718-.720 diameter while barrels usually run .723- .729 I just don't see any resistance there.


And yes the flight control wad is alot thicker than mylar but we use wads to, and they ain't much thicker than a TPS wad the mylar is extra unnecessary protection. Matter of fact they have started leaving them out of alot of loads because they aren't needed.


I will say once again and I'm done arguing, chokes strip wads not barrels. That is an undeniable fact, and you need to go play over at shotgun world for awhile.

Stikman, I'm calling bullshit on your whole arguemrnt about steel shot and all other shot damaging a barrel. I would be willing to bet that when I was duck hunting I shot more shells in a week than you shot in a season. I would go through around 5-6 cases a season depending on how long the geese would stay here. I have an 1187 that has been slap wore out from shooting it so much and the barrel is in as good a shape as the day I bought it. As a matter of fact all my shotguns barrels are in good shape. If you bought a shotgun since steel became mandatory and are shooting factory steel loads you cannot shoot enough shells to destroy a barrel. Please tell me how you came to the conclusion that the barrels on those mavericks were bad and had to throw them away.

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Please explain this
Surely yall have an explanation as to why TTS has a warning label on it. Especially since it's the best thing that has happened to shotguns. This may be why this company went out of business.
I'm sure Hal About has taken every reasonable effort while testing his loads to MINIMIZE barrel wear. And I'm sure there's probably not much visible wear from using #9-#7, my experience is with #5 and larger shot for waterfowl.

He read it on the interwebs so it must be true.

But on a brighter note if you only shoot 10 times a year you shouldn't worry about it!
I apologize for expressing my experience with using shot that's harder than copper and lead. I didn't realize that Tungsten super shot was a religious belief.
What I should have done was take some photos of the tps wad that shot had impregnated, instead of throwing it in the creek