It's a horrible hunting round. Any of the traditional .308 pills 165+gr will not impact with enough velocity to open up reliably. Even some of the new heavies designed to open up at lower velocities don't have enough energy at impact for an ethical kill imho. You might as well be hunting with a 9mm or 45acp pistol.

The only good hunting pills are in the 120gr range. In that range the Grendel and 6.8 offer far superior options with more reliability. Honestly I'd prefer to hunt with a 5.56 barnes solid load.

Even for home defense, a Grendel or 6.8 SBR with a frangible load are far superior. If you can accept a couple more inches of barrel and you have a suppressor.

The blackout is a cool little niche gun for suppressive target shooting.

I really don't like ragin on anybody's rifle, but I've got to call it like I see it. The blackout is a product of marketing genius.

I dont know what you are smoking on BUT the 300 BLK is a great round for killing hogs! 2200-2400 fps with a 110 Barnes X is a supper load. Same with 110gr V-maxs. ElkHunter has probably killed them in the 100s just THIS year with 300 BLK and 110s. The 300BLK is is great for shooting hogs that are running! With the exception of afew top Hog guys on here I HAVE kill more hogs than most EVER will! I have killed them with = 308,223,6.8 SPC, and 300 BLKs in gas guns. 300 BLK is my favorte for Night time hog killing!

300blk is a fantastic hunting round inside 200 yds. If you can't get the job done with 300blk in that range please just stop hunting until you can shoot better. It pretty much mimics the 30-30 ballistics inside that range and the ol 30-30 has killed hundreds of thousands of deer and hogs in the last 100 years. That doesn't mean the 6.5grendel is a "horrible" hunting round. It is good too. It just requires a longer barrel and is more expensive, but has great ballistics. Both are good hunting rounds.
All the guys i hunt with in tx that are major hog hunters, like 4-5 nights a week killin pigs type guys, use 300blk now. So to say it is a horrible hunting round is pretty inaccurate.

That's an old rumor that is completely false. However, I do concur on the comparison to the 30/30 ballistics, but with lighter pills by 50+ grs.


Y'all keep missing this little part here.

"The only good hunting pills are in the 120gr range. In that range the Grendel and 6.8 offer far superior options with more reliability."

Still dont see how it could be more = Reliable? 300 BLK cycles VERY well in all the guns I have built. NOW that being said , MOST 300 BLK cycling problems are from cheap mags. Thats not the 300 BLKs problem, its the operators. I have a 6.8 SPC . I killed hogs with it. 300 BLK is just as good. Running shots on hogs suppressed OR unsuppressed the 300 BLK stays on target better than the 6.8 SPC

It's not a rumor nor is it false. 6.5 grendel uppers are more expensive. The barrel is more expensive. Plus you have to buy new mags and a new bcg. 300blk is a straight barrel switch and done. 300 BLK Uppers are pretty common now and can be had for $200. Can't say the same for 6.5 grendel. 300 blk ammo is cheaper too. So how is it not true? To really do what it was designed for Alexander Arms says 24" barrel is optimal but that a 20" will suffice for most hunting applications. 300blk will run almost the same in a 8.5" as it does in a 16" barrel. Can't say the same for grendel. That being said, in a 20" configuration 6.5 grendel is ballistically superior, i actually recommended that in the original post. That does not mean that the 300blk is a "horrible hunting round" as you said.
So looks like the only things that are completely false and rumors are the things you are typing.
Plus nobody here is missing anything. You said the only good hunting rounds are in 120g config. Most all of us who hunt with 300 use 110 grain. So theres that. You might want to listen to guys like Shooters here. They know a thing or two about hunting stuff with all kinds of calibers.

I shoot both .300blk and 6.5 Grendel II along with 5.56.
In my experience, the blackout is just as good as the 6.8 within 200 yards shooting 110-130gr supersonic ammo made for hunting. Both are better than 5.56, even 70gr+ loads, especially for hogs. Both my 16" Noveske barrel and 9.5" AAC barrel .300blk builds cost between $500-700 not including optics for the upper. My 22" barrel 6.5 Grendel cost me about $500 for the upper. The 6.5 ammo is, so far, not available locally so I have to order it. .300 blackout I can grab at Academy or Walmart. The blackout, across the barrel length spectrum, is roughly equivalent to 7.62x39. The Grendel, in my 22" barrel is nearly as potent as 30-06 out to 500 yards with the 123gr Hornady SST. I really can't see the reason in going shorter with the 6.5 as you lose so much of its potential quickly. I've got my Grendel down to about 12# loaded with a scope with some weight saving options. Otherwise, it'd be over 14# and honestly if you want to hump that kind of weight around then the AR10 in 6.5 Creedmore is the ticket.
Meanwhile, both blackouts are about 9.5# fully loaded and the 9.5 with a can.

My grandpa killed several hundred pigs with a 22 round to the head just sayin..

I'm not tracking.

Im not tracking either, they usually drop after I shoot them.

Technically barrel, bolt and mag. The barrels are more expensive because the market demands better barrels, because of the round's capabilities. PSA has starting carrying affordable hammer forged barrels, rumored to be FN. Stay away from the brownell and midway stoner barrels that are "Grendel II", (Satern chambers). Spend a little more on a SAAMI spec chamber and you'll be glad you did.

I've built many ARs and you get what you pay for up to $1500 (uppers), then it's diminishing returns. I wouldn't trust a $200 upper for anything more than an anchor.




How so? I can get wolf 100gr FMJ for $0.27 a shot. I can get match and quality hunting ammo (123gr Amax & SST 0.510 BC) for $0.90 a shot.




That first line is patently false. Bill Alexander has said that a 12.5" Grendel would be his optimal carbine. They just started offering 10.3" barrels again.

I just finished up a group buy with Lilja on 11.5" and 12.5". I built an 11.5" Grendel that is capable of 500+ yard shots on whitetail (129gr ABLR).

24" is great for a bench gun, but you don't need anything longer than an 18" for practical purposes.

A 10.3" to 28" Grendel AR runs flawlessly assuming proper configuration (buffer, gas port, gas length, bcg) as the same can be said for the 5.56. I don't have enough knowledge of sub 10" setups to comment. I know of some that have been built, but not many.




No I said in the 120gr RANGE. I'm sorry I should of said 90gr to 130gr to make it more clear.

I apologize, I forgot that I know nothing about the AR15 and less about hunting. I'll go away now.

OK. Apology excepted. Good bye, see you later!

Well here is a direct copy and paste from alexander arms.com faq sction on 6.5 barrel length.
"The two 6.5 Grendel barrel lengths that are best suited for hunting are the 24" and 20" barrels. Shorter barrels may be applied, but, beyond slightly lighter weight and handier silhouette, they have no advantage and give up velocity. However, they are superb choices for general shooting or a utility rifle. A 24" 6.5 Grendel is well-suited to most hunting applications and, if one can live with the longer barrel, it is the most versatile of the 6.5 Grendel barrels. Accuracy is superb and the rifle is capable out to 1,000 yards and longer with the right ammunition. The balance of the gun assists stability in most position-shooting and it is excellent for use from a bipod. This one barrel length can bridge across a range of shooting tasks including long-range varmint work. A 20" barrel 6.5 Grendel is both shorter and lighter than the 24" gun, which is a big consideration if the gun must be carried. While it gives up some stability from a bipod, it is just a versatile."

So how about calling that first line "patently false" again?
Here is a link to alexander arms faq section if you wanna do more reading. Awesome stuff they develope over there.
http://www.alexanderarms.com/products/product-faqs

Well shucks, he really needs to update that crap. I could quote a few is his postings on other forums, but I'm way to lazy to go find them,

If anyone is thinking about getting into the grendel I'd highly advise picking up the following book,
http://www.ar15buildbox.com/shop/65-Gren...-2-x9552918.htm

It's full of real world and empirical test data. It's worth every penny.

Best part of a 6.5 Grendal is = Lapua brass.

That is nice for the target/long range shooters. However, I have a higher appreciation of the fact it uses 6.5mm pills.

The 6.5mm hunting bullets have superior terminal effects because of their superior sectional density, as compared to the 6.8mm and drastically superior to the blackout.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/sd.htm

The blackout and Grendel with comparable barrel lengths and bullet weights have comparable velocity. However, The Grendel's sectional density will be drastically higher.

All Barnes TTSX
.308 110gr SD 0.166
.308 130gr SD 0.196
.264 100gr SD 0.205
.264 120gr SD 0.246
http://www.barnesbullets.com/bullets/ttsx/

TSX
.224 70gr SD 0.199

I never shot a hog and had it fall over and cry out = The SD of this bullet really killed me!! But seriously ftlbs of knock down is what kills bigs hogs. I have shot 100s of pigs and here is the thing. UNLESS your shooting football size hogs 9/10 times the bullet IS NOT going threw them. So saying SD really matters is misleading. AND theirs not really enough comparaon to really matter. 300 BLK , 6.5 Grendal dont really matter that much cause neither is going threw a 200 lb plus hog. The 110 Barnes X is a fine load for killing hogs with in 300 BLK. Like I have said before = Elkhunter kills 100s of hogs every year with the 300 BLK

Actually a 6.5mm from a Grendel goes through about as often as it doesn't, excluding a shot to their thick skulls.

So your saying = Your getting pass threws on 200 lbs plus pigs with 6.5 Grendal?? I have had past threws with 308 gas guns and 150-180 class bullets, BUT never with 300 BLK or 6.8 SPC. What bullet are you doing this with? What range = yards are these 200 lbs plus pigs being shot? Lots of my shots are running, but I have VERY few pass threws with 300 BLK and 223s. AND I have never shot a 6.5mm SO I AM interseted in here your results on 200 lbs plus pigs?