I have been having an interesting discussion with Ron over the last few days. This got me to thinking about which animal was more common in Alabama these days, the coyote or the deer?
We have both coyote and deer kill threads going at this time. The coyote kill thread says we have killed 168 specimens. The firearms kill thread shows 52 posts. In your opinion which one is more common, as we enter the New Year. The coyote or the deer?

Damn you're weird

Yeah some of us don't shoot every deer we see but yotes usually are shot on sight. Ymmv.

Most kills aren't listed in that thread.

Well let's see. You are aware of the history of the whitetail deer, I assume. Feel free to point out my mistakes.
The whitetail deer thrived in America prior to our, ancestors arrival. They arrived and started consuming the deer. They salted or preserved their food by drying, etc. They were at a disadvantage in those days, no freezers to fill. They continued to live of the deer for quite awhile. Muzzle loaders were used during the civil war and the mini ball was invented. It was devastating to both armies and the deer as the armies foraged for food. Unregulated market hunting became popular as time passed. Game laws didn't exist and around 1900, someone said this is just plain stupid we're wiping out our deer herd. State governments stepped in and stopped the carnage. But, it was too late. Restocking efforts were undertaken and the herd thrived. Somewhere along the line so called deer biologists, deer managers, Quality Deer Management Associatons, etc. were created. These guys were taught you can't kill to many does, they are so so wary and elusive. Let's give every redneck hunter in Alabama a two deer a day antlerless season. After all the season only lasts 3 and a half months. Let's do this for the next ten years and see what happens.
Trox you have in rebuttals?

Yea I've killed more deer than I've posted.

I would say deer.

I haven't posted a single deer I've killed in the kill thread. There's WAY more deer. Way.

Well, I agree. Now let's see. Let's shrink our location. How about in the Talladega National Forest, northern zone in Cleburne, Calhoun, Clay and Talladega. Which species is more prevalent there?

Codie , the coyote has not been around here very long , it's thriving though and I would love to see a study of home ranges over a given area as it has expanded eastward and I would bet that it has strunk in size a lot and is continiung to shrink as it learns and adapts at kilking fawns and targeting adult deer in some environments.. There are still more deer but in some places the population is becoming nearly unhuntable , and I would be willing to bet the coyote is a big piece of the puzzle .. I got to thinking about the size of doe groups and maintaining a size of doe groups for the deers protecting agaisnt coyotes .. I'm sure there are people on here with more insight on this, and then there are the people here who just like to argue and disagree with with eveyone no matter what too . I see where you were headed with your post though. I would almost bet my house on it , that if we don't stop killing does or atleast have a couple of doe days within just a few short years . Hunting will be unenjoyable in a large portion of the state .
Does anyone know how much the eastern coyotes average weight has climbed over the years ?

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This!!

Fire ants.

Mesquitos this year, half the fire ants drown.

BEARS Well at least where I hunt .......

I thought this was supposed to be the 'Serious Talk Forum' ???

I'd be willing to bet there's a lot more deer than coyotes. If we had anywhere near as many coyotes as we did deer, it wouldn't take long for there to be no deer, no yard pets, not much of any small game

There are alot more deer.

Lady bugs.

x2 what Matt Brock said.

troll question.....