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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/03/15 10:51 AM
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Has he been fixed? If not that will do wonders for his aggressive behavior. However it may take a month or two to see much difference. I have a soon to be 3 year old Chocolate male and he was rowdy and chewed my wife up before we had him neutered. He still barks a good bit but he is a well behaved young man now!
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/03/15 11:01 AM
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I've had similar issues with my field bred English Springer Spaniel Charlie. We have done the obedience training thing and that helped us understand better how to train him.
His problem may be that he isn't getting enough work in. Whether you want a retrieve or not, he is a retriever and he is going to require that you work him a lot. He's just wired that way ...
Charlie is a bred retriever and he wants to be working hard every danged day. If I do not work him 15 minutes in the AM and 15 minutes in the PM when I get home from work he gets really antsy and downright crazy at times. Some days we send him to a 'dog enrichment program' at a local vet. Only on those days can I get away with not working him.
There is a direct correlation between his craziness and how much I work him
I try to break up his work activities ... Mental work is just as taxing on him as physical work, maybe even more. Here are some things I do with him, they all help :
- Retrieving in the front yard - Retrieving in a nearby pond - Frisbee toss/catch/retrieve - Exercising his mind in the front yard with all those exercises they taught us in the obedience school - Brisk walks, up to a mile on the streets - Brisk hikes on trails up to 3 miles - Deer tracking training
Anyway, if you are already working him a lot like this then I can't help. Good luck ...
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/03/15 11:08 AM
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I'm willing to bet that is the problem. He may not be a good fit for your family ...
I don't want to pass quietly into the night. I want to slide in sideways kickin and screamin Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/03/15 11:15 AM
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This 'enrichment program' we take Charlie to is done by a local vet (Whitesburg Animal Hospital in Huntsville). This has had a HUGE effect on him in that respect. Before this he wouldn't get within a hundred yards of another dog without freaking out. Now he does pretty danged good ... 2 months into the program and my step daughter has left her dog with us for a week. It's working very well at the house with both dogs. Maybe call around and see if there is a vet with a similar program near you?
I don't want to pass quietly into the night. I want to slide in sideways kickin and screamin Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/03/15 11:20 AM
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I should mention that my wife loves this dog and we can't consider finding another home for him. He is part of our family now and we just have to find out how to get there from here. Then I would also suggest that you make a little more time in your schedule so that you can work him before you leave the house and when you get home. Buy some bumpers and teach him to retrieve them. Use them in the front yard, heck he doesn't even have to run far, 20 yards per retrieve is plenty. Buy a couple thin frisbees at PetSmart and get him to retrieve them too. Get a pronged collar for walking him. I call BS on those that say don't use them. As long as you don't get aggressive with him they are fine. Get him a swim vest and let him swim a bunch, this will wear him out more than anything.
I don't want to pass quietly into the night. I want to slide in sideways kickin and screamin Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/03/15 11:22 AM
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Just a note of encouragement ... Yes I have to spend a lot of time with him and yes he has been somewhat expensive with the enrichment program and toys we use with him ... But ... He has come a long long way since 6.5 months (he is 11 months old now) and he is a joy to have in our home. He still gets a little crazy at times but we discipline him and carry on ...
I don't want to pass quietly into the night. I want to slide in sideways kickin and screamin Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/03/15 11:28 AM
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Sure thing bud, PM me if you need any more help. I'm not an expert but I've learned a lot with him
I don't want to pass quietly into the night. I want to slide in sideways kickin and screamin Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: AwbyG412]
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12/03/15 12:28 PM
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Has he been fixed? If not that will do wonders for his aggressive behavior. However it may take a month or two to see much difference. I have a soon to be 3 year old Chocolate male and he was rowdy and chewed my wife up before we had him neutered. He still barks a good bit but he is a well behaved young man now! Maybe. Sometimes castration will help simmer them down, sometimes it won't. Many people fall into the trap of getting them neutered to solve behavioral issues and are upset when it doesn't work. No way am I saying to not neuter him, as I am a strong supporter of spaying/neutering, but don't expect it to be a magic cure.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/03/15 01:08 PM
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Has he lost his baby teeth? I never start training until that happens. Their gums are sore and they do not feel too good. If you want him to retrieve let it be something soft. Give him a little more time and if he does not turn out to be what you want. Sorry to say but some are not worth fooling with. Like people.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
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12/03/15 01:15 PM
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You need to talk to Mr Jim on here. His handle is laidback
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/04/15 03:01 AM
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Naoh River Bottom Labs in Baldwin Co. is your best bet locally. I've been around several he's trained and they are all very well mannered dogs.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
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12/04/15 04:29 AM
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And also a shock collar with a remote. That worked wonders too. Broke her of some bad habits real quick. A E collar is a TOOL for training NOT a punishment.I don't agree with the clicker/treat type training. Get you a training program I like Smartworks use the OB and STICK to it and ALWAYS hold the dog in the highest standards. never let them get by with things they will take FULL advantage of that. Dogs are like kids they will do negitive things to seek attention.They want attention and will always seek out negative attention over positive. A good training program and plenty of exercise.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
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12/04/15 04:30 AM
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Yep excerise and an e-collar. They understand shock very well. They don't understand why your shocking them unless the OB is solid and conditioned.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
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12/04/15 05:54 AM
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IMO. It's just doing what any 6-7 month old lab does. Not sure what your wanting out of a lab puppy........
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/04/15 07:26 AM
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Not sure why you guys say e-collars don't work. It worked great with my lab. You don't just shock them when they misbehave, you show them the proper way to behave and reward them for it. It's the same thing as typical reward/punishment training, it just comes with a little shock that gets there attention. Dog runs off, shock it and call it back. Dog comes back, it gets a treat. Dog won't stop barking, command it to stop and shock it, dog stops barking, give it a treat. Same concept as house breaking. Dog pees in the house, put its nose in it and discipline it, then take it outside to show it where it's supposed to happen. E-collars work great if you know what you're doing.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: SouthBamaSlayer]
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12/04/15 08:07 AM
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Not sure why you guys say e-collars don't work. It worked great with my lab. You don't just shock them when they misbehave, you show them the proper way to behave and reward them for it. It's the same thing as typical reward/punishment training, it just comes with a little shock that gets there attention. Dog runs off, shock it and call it back. Dog comes back, it gets a treat. Dog won't stop barking, command it to stop and shock it, dog stops barking, give it a treat. Same concept as house breaking. Dog pees in the house, put its nose in it and discipline it, then take it outside to show it where it's supposed to happen. E-collars work great if you know what you're doing. I didn't say they don't just stating most using them wrong. I have a Master Level Lab. She is collar condition, I run her with a E collar 90% of the time I can use a tone to correct her and not a stimulation. Sorry Bama your training methods are not very affective. House breaking you don't allow the dog to ever use the bathroom in the house,yes accidents happen, but 90% of the time its the owners fault. Always take a pup out when the wake up,after they eat and drink and I always take them out every 45 mins, Then after a few weeks I up it to a hr, and so on for a few months. Then the pup knows. As its doing its business out side depending I use that word Pee or Poop. Every dog Ive owned and train will go on command. I never rub its nose in it. They don't understand. If they do go inside and I catch them I say NO. They will get the hang of it quickly. Its easier to lock them in a tile room and put down puppy pads.Thats saying its ok to go in the house.I never correct a dog with a ecollar on house breaking.I'e trained 3 Labs myself to Senior to Master levels.Mine are 100% house broken,mine do not chew on things except for Nylabones. Mine are VERY well behaved when company is around. And only bark when something is not right which I allow and want. MY lil dog she is sassy and mouthy and never was able to break her of that,but we love her anyways. Always hold them to the highest standards and NEVER let them slide or get by with something they will abuse it and try to get with other things as well.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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12/04/15 08:16 AM
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E-collars work in the right hands. I used to train with a guy that if he had a bad day at the office his dog was in for a really bad time training. An electric collar can destroy a good dog if not done right. I know I have seen it happen.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: WIDGEON]
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12/04/15 08:18 AM
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Not sure why you guys say e-collars don't work. It worked great with my lab. You don't just shock them when they misbehave, you show them the proper way to behave and reward them for it. It's the same thing as typical reward/punishment training, it just comes with a little shock that gets there attention. Dog runs off, shock it and call it back. Dog comes back, it gets a treat. Dog won't stop barking, command it to stop and shock it, dog stops barking, give it a treat. Same concept as house breaking. Dog pees in the house, put its nose in it and discipline it, then take it outside to show it where it's supposed to happen. E-collars work great if you know what you're doing. I didn't say they don't just stating most using them wrong. I have a Master Level Lab. She is collar condition, I run her with a E collar 90% of the time I can use a tone to correct her and not a stimulation. Sorry Bama your training methods are not very affective. House breaking you don't allow the dog to ever use the bathroom in the house,yes accidents happen, but 90% of the time its the owners fault. Always take a pup out when the wake up,after they eat and drink and I always take them out every 45 mins, Then after a few weeks I up it to a hr, and so on for a few months. Then the pup knows. As its doing its business out side depending I use that word Pee or Poop. Every dog Ive owned and train will go on command. I never rub its nose in it. They don't understand. If they do go inside and I catch them I say NO. They will get the hang of it quickly. Its easier to lock them in a tile room and put down puppy pads.Thats saying its ok to go in the house.I never correct a dog with a ecollar on house breaking.I'e trained 3 Labs myself to Senior to Master levels.Mine are 100% house broken,mine do not chew on things except for Nylabones. Mine are VERY well behaved when company is around. And only bark when something is not right which I allow and want. MY lil dog she is sassy and mouthy and never was able to break her of that,but we love her anyways. Always hold them to the highest standards and NEVER let them slide or get by with something they will abuse it and try to get with other things as well. I didn't say that's the whole process of how I house break my dogs. It's only part of it. I agree they should be taken out in intervals and that accidents can happen. Have you ever considered that there are multiple ways to train a dog? And that your way isn't necessarily the only way? Because it doesn't seem like it. I congratulate you on have master level labs, it's an accomplishment, but not everyone wants, needs, or has the opportunity/time to achieve that. My training way worked well for my lab, and it may work for his. Yours will probably work well for his lab as well, but don't tell people their training ways are ineffective when they have a good dog and obviously are effective.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
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12/04/15 08:30 AM
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Not sure why you guys say e-collars don't work. It worked great with my lab. You don't just shock them when they misbehave, you show them the proper way to behave and reward them for it. It's the same thing as typical reward/punishment training, it just comes with a little shock that gets there attention. Dog runs off, shock it and call it back. Dog comes back, it gets a treat. Dog won't stop barking, command it to stop and shock it, dog stops barking, give it a treat. Same concept as house breaking. Dog pees in the house, put its nose in it and discipline it, then take it outside to show it where it's supposed to happen. E-collars work great if you know what you're doing. I didn't say they don't just stating most using them wrong. I have a Master Level Lab. She is collar condition, I run her with a E collar 90% of the time I can use a tone to correct her and not a stimulation. Sorry Bama your training methods are not very affective. House breaking you don't allow the dog to ever use the bathroom in the house,yes accidents happen, but 90% of the time its the owners fault. Always take a pup out when the wake up,after they eat and drink and I always take them out every 45 mins, Then after a few weeks I up it to a hr, and so on for a few months. Then the pup knows. As its doing its business out side depending I use that word Pee or Poop. Every dog Ive owned and train will go on command. I never rub its nose in it. They don't understand. If they do go inside and I catch them I say NO. They will get the hang of it quickly. Its easier to lock them in a tile room and put down puppy pads.Thats saying its ok to go in the house.I never correct a dog with a ecollar on house breaking.I'e trained 3 Labs myself to Senior to Master levels.Mine are 100% house broken,mine do not chew on things except for Nylabones. Mine are VERY well behaved when company is around. And only bark when something is not right which I allow and want. MY lil dog she is sassy and mouthy and never was able to break her of that,but we love her anyways. Always hold them to the highest standards and NEVER let them slide or get by with something they will abuse it and try to get with other things as well. I didn't say that's the whole process of how I house break my dogs. It's only part of it. I agree they should be taken out in intervals and that accidents can happen. Have you ever considered that there are multiple ways to train a dog? And that your way isn't necessarily the only way? Because it doesn't seem like it. I congratulate you on have master level labs, it's an accomplishment, but not everyone wants, needs, or has the opportunity/time to achieve that. My training way worked well for my lab, and it may work for his. Yours will probably work well for his lab as well, but don't tell people their training ways are ineffective when they have a good dog and obviously are effective. Ive trained each with a different program, So yes I know there is. No not everyone wants a Hunting or Hunt test dog. But OB should be the same for whatever type of dog you want.Unless you want a out of control dog. That was my point. A dog does not know it has to be taught, after it is taught then it knows, and then you can correct it.Lardy, Evan Graham, 10 min retriever as well as others are great programs,but the OB part are all usually very close.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daniel white]
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12/04/15 01:47 PM
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IMO. It's just doing what any 6-7 month old lab does. Not sure what your wanting out of a lab puppy........ I was thinking the same thing. Yours might be a little on the wired side but I'd bet this is the worst of it. I betcha exercise and neutering will go a long way with your dog.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
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Welcome to chocolate labs. My next one will be black, I will never ever ever own another chocolate.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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You have to follow up when transitioning from the trainer to the home otherwise all he was taught is for naught. I'm sure Noah showed you how to keep him obedient. Set standards for him and don't accept anything less than those standards.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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Let me add this dog will never loose his drive and may somewhat tone down after age 2 or 3 but will never be a " laid back animal " I have trained many of many of dogs I speak in confidence. I'm John Watts with Bear Creek Retrievers by the way
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
[Re: daylate]
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We are considering sending him to full time obedience camp at Mossy Pond Retrievers but it is a long way away and we don't want to be separated from the puppy for 3 months. Nothing wrong with being separated from it. It's not a child, it's a dog and an unruly one ignoring you to establish himself as the Alpha. Send his butt away to be trained by a professional.
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Re: Out of control chocolate lab puppy. Need advice.
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We take our choc for a couple of walks every day. My walk is about 4.5 miles and my wife's is around 3 miles. I play fetch with her daily with a frisbee too. I taught her how to catch it before she was 1 yrs old. She's 8 yrs old now. Use a tournament frisbee as her dinner dish as well as her fetch toy. When you throw it, he should get to where he will chase it in the air. Be prepared to treat him when he catches it the 1st time and do so for a few times then he should catch on and do it all of the time. The main thing is spending time with him.
I came, I saw, so I killed them all......Vern
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