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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: yotetrapper]
#1535305
11/24/15 07:36 PM
11/24/15 07:36 PM
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Dustin
Freak of Nature
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Who said anything about taking freedoms away from citizens? And I am of the thought that I would rather local men(police) be able to protect my community than for the Feds to come in declaring Marshal law. Plus, how many armed military men/women do you see patrolling your community, how long do you think they take to arrive and start kicking taliban butt?
Two "refugees" One Pressure Cooker Ruby Ridge Waco Steven Hatfill Richard Jewel We don't have to worry about the government taking our freedoms, we are willingly just giving them up.
Don't let life get in the way of living
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: Dustin]
#1535309
11/24/15 07:42 PM
11/24/15 07:42 PM
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Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 26,433 Helena
3toe
Talking Turkey
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Talking Turkey
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Helena
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Who said anything about taking freedoms away from citizens? And I am of the thought that I would rather local men(police) be able to protect my community than for the Feds to come in declaring Marshal law. Plus, how many armed military men/women do you see patrolling your community, how long do you think they take to arrive and start kicking taliban butt?
Two "refugees" One Pressure Cooker Ruby Ridge Waco Steven Hatfill Richard Jewel We don't have to worry about the government taking our freedoms, we are willingly just giving them up. Nailed it.
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: PEA_RIDGE]
#1535317
11/24/15 08:12 PM
11/24/15 08:12 PM
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Joined: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,236 Foley, AL
Vulkanman
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WELL HOW BOUT YOU BECOME A LEO AND HAVE TO TAKE FIRE FROM SOMEONE WITH SKS, AK-47, AR-15, OR ANY BIG CALIBER GUN , SAY .270 .308 300MAG AND SEE IF YOU DONT WISH YOU HAD A DAMN A.P.C. TO RIDE IN. Can't handle the load, don't suit up. Take a moment and visit the Hoover PD and tell me what they would do with an APC?
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: Vulkanman]
#1535320
11/24/15 08:17 PM
11/24/15 08:17 PM
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Posts: 4,291 CAHABA WMA
PEA_RIDGE
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WELL HOW BOUT YOU BECOME A LEO AND HAVE TO TAKE FIRE FROM SOMEONE WITH SKS, AK-47, AR-15, OR ANY BIG CALIBER GUN , SAY .270 .308 300MAG AND SEE IF YOU DONT WISH YOU HAD A DAMN A.P.C. TO RIDE IN. Can't handle the load, don't suit up. Take a moment and visit the Hoover PD and tell me what they would do with an APC? SAME THING AS ANY OTHER AGENCY. USE IT TO EXTRICATE CITIZENS IN DANGER, TRANSPORT OFFICERS TO A SCENE WITH ACTIVE SHOOTING, TRANSPORT MEDICS TO TEND TO THE WOUNDED. YOU NAME IT
Fletch Triple Toe Assassins, Where Pellets Meet Peckers
"A turkey's brain development exceeds that of nearly all vice-presidents." - TOM KELLY
The bird possesses a remarkable ability to turn arrogance into hopelessness. - TOM KELLY
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: PEA_RIDGE]
#1535324
11/24/15 11:59 PM
11/24/15 11:59 PM
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Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 5,914 Pine Hill, Al
Todd1700
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COLORADO THEATER SHOOTING FOR EXAMPLE I am way more fearful of all the police in this country being turned into a paramilitary force than I am some random occasional a-hole that shoots at people during a Batman movie. One is a threat to a few people, the other is a threat to our entire way of life.
The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back. - Abigail van Buren
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: perchjerker]
#1535328
11/25/15 12:39 AM
11/25/15 12:39 AM
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PEA_RIDGE
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FORT HOOD... HELL THE FU@&ING MILITARY PERSONNEL COULD EVEN HAVE GUNS.. AGAIN SAY WHAT YALL WANT BUT IF THERE IS EVER A TIME YOU ARE IN A SITUATION AND YOU NEED THE POLICE TO BE ARMED LIKE THIS WELL THEN I FEEL FOR YA SINCE YA DONT WANT THEM TO BE.
AND AGAIN WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN POLICE HAVING ASSAULT STYLE RIFLES, AND MILITARY GRADE GEAR I.E THERMAL/NIGHT VISION SCOPES, ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIERS, AND SUCH WHEN THERE ARE SOME CITIZENS THAT HAVE THIS ALREADY.. THERE IS NOT A DIFFERENCE.. IF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DOESNT NEED THEM WHY THE HELL DO WE??
Fletch Triple Toe Assassins, Where Pellets Meet Peckers
"A turkey's brain development exceeds that of nearly all vice-presidents." - TOM KELLY
The bird possesses a remarkable ability to turn arrogance into hopelessness. - TOM KELLY
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: perchjerker]
#1535334
11/25/15 01:09 AM
11/25/15 01:09 AM
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Posts: 22,695 Lickskillet, AL
Irishguy
a.k.a. Dingle Johnson
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a.k.a. Dingle Johnson
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Doekiller we are living in different times. Think about a few yrs ago two bank robbers in La had body armor and aks. they started a gun battle that lasted way too long and cost too many lives. fast forward to now think about what just happened in Paris . Do you think its right to send cops out only armed with 9 mils against a gang of bombers with ak's ? Hell no use your head. You fight fire with fire. Your attitude would leave our side out gunned. Hell no I don't agree with you ! Nobody said that cops couldn't have AR-15's in the trunk of every cop car. They've had them for years. I don't think we as a free people want a police force that is armed like a military force. We should be careful what we wish for.
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: Irishguy]
#1535339
11/25/15 01:18 AM
11/25/15 01:18 AM
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Posts: 23,919 Clarksville, TN /Greenville, ...
bill
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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COLORADO THEATER SHOOTING FOR EXAMPLE I am way more fearful of all the police in this country being turned into a paramilitary force than I am some random occasional a-hole that shoots at people during a Batman movie. One is a threat to a few people, the other is a threat to our entire way of life. Doekiller we are living in different times. Think about a few yrs ago two bank robbers in La had body armor and aks. they started a gun battle that lasted way too long and cost too many lives. fast forward to now think about what just happened in Paris . Do you think its right to send cops out only armed with 9 mils against a gang of bombers with ak's ? Hell no use your head. You fight fire with fire. Your attitude would leave our side out gunned. Hell no I don't agree with you ! Nobody said that cops couldn't have AR-15's in the trunk of every cop car. They've had them for years. I don't think we as a free people want a police force that is armed like a military force. We should be careful what we wish for. Amen and Amen.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: Irishguy]
#1535401
11/25/15 02:46 AM
11/25/15 02:46 AM
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Posts: 12,918 Old Florida
Geno
Booner
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Booner
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Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.
This is where I stand. I don't even want them in camo - if you want to be a cop then put on the uniform and be a cop. If you want to use military gear and be a warrior, join the military like the rest of us.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: perchjerker]
#1535407
11/25/15 02:57 AM
11/25/15 02:57 AM
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Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,258 Cullman County
yotetrapper
8 point
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Posts: 1,258
Cullman County
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So if we have an attack similar to Paris, who do y'all see coming to take the bad guys out and trying to save lives?
Jon Bartlett
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: yotetrapper]
#1535409
11/25/15 03:00 AM
11/25/15 03:00 AM
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Posts: 33,437 Your mom’s house
doekiller
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Posts: 33,437
Your mom’s house
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So if we have an attack similar to Paris, who do y'all see coming to take the bad guys out and trying to save lives? You see Isis attacking Cullman anytime soon?
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: doekiller]
#1535414
11/25/15 03:04 AM
11/25/15 03:04 AM
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Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,258 Cullman County
yotetrapper
8 point
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8 point
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So if we have an attack similar to Paris, who do y'all see coming to take the bad guys out and trying to save lives? You see Isis attacking Cullman anytime soon? It's coming some where in the US, who knows where. Rural areas with smaller police forces are perfect targets.
Jon Bartlett
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: yotetrapper]
#1535415
11/25/15 03:07 AM
11/25/15 03:07 AM
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Posts: 4,567 McCalla
hoggin
10 point
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10 point
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Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.
Agreed Exactly! When a Syrian does attack, I want only the Feds to have the equipment to come in hours later and clean up the mess. I don't want the local police who can respond in minutes to be protected and on equal or greater ground than the terrorists... If you counting on either to protect you, your already screwed
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: perchjerker]
#1535428
11/25/15 03:17 AM
11/25/15 03:17 AM
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Posts: 12,918 Old Florida
Geno
Booner
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Booner
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I agree - defense of one's self and others should be a personal responsibility and one should prepare themselves and those around them for it.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: Geno]
#1535437
11/25/15 03:24 AM
11/25/15 03:24 AM
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Posts: 1,258 Cullman County
yotetrapper
8 point
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I agree - defense of one's self and others should be a personal responsibility and one should prepare themselves and those around them for it. Agreed, but when this happens not everyone will be carrying. I guess those who are now being held and shot one by one should just have to live with their fate right? Or at least for a few hours until the federal Calvary rides into town in the same armored carriers they took from the local PD.
Jon Bartlett
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: perchjerker]
#1535527
11/25/15 04:23 AM
11/25/15 04:23 AM
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Posts: 12,918 Old Florida
Geno
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Booner
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We can play scenarios all day and always find many that are not pleasant - I'm not interested in doing that.
Okay, I'll play one round.
Only if local pd is to cowardly to go get a deer rifle and take care of the situation if a clear shot presents itself or proceed with dynamic entry if not. If the local pd is not familiar with breaching doors and clearing rooms, maybe you should consider installing a different one.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: perchjerker]
#1535548
11/25/15 04:36 AM
11/25/15 04:36 AM
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Posts: 249 Central AL
Kounse
4 point
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4 point
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Posts: 249
Central AL
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Touchy situation but too many LEO's have demonstrated their lack of respect and honoring citizens' rights. So to the LEO's on here... blame your own.
With that said, I'd supported the killing of the Ferguson, MO kid because if you attempt to take a LEO's weapon and you're killed in the process, Good!!! Citizens do have to respect the law.
But it's the LEO's that's caused such distrust in their ranks.
Last edited by Kounse; 11/25/15 04:37 AM.
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: Vulkanman]
#1535566
11/25/15 04:47 AM
11/25/15 04:47 AM
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hoggin
10 point
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WELL HOW BOUT YOU BECOME A LEO AND HAVE TO TAKE FIRE FROM SOMEONE WITH SKS, AK-47, AR-15, OR ANY BIG CALIBER GUN , SAY .270 .308 300MAG AND SEE IF YOU DONT WISH YOU HAD A DAMN A.P.C. TO RIDE IN. Can't handle the load, don't suit up. Take a moment and visit the Hoover PD and tell me what they would do with an APC? Did it for a long time, 10 years in West Birmingham which was about as bad as it gets. Never felt the need for an APC rarely needed anything but a .45 Probably got a shotgun out of the car 3 times in 10 years. I did use a pistol cal carbine a few times on search warrants and never felt out gunned or scared to do my job.
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: Geno]
#1535573
11/25/15 04:54 AM
11/25/15 04:54 AM
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Posts: 1,258 Cullman County
yotetrapper
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Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying and there are lots of scenarios that could go I a bunch of different directions. I just don't agree with your opinion, which is also fine. I'm not worried about the PD being cowardly, they will be there, doing doing the job, but how many good policemen will have to die in order to accomplish the task? How many more lives could be saved if they had access to a armored carrier in a timely manner? Now I don't think they need RPGs or hand grenades, but a armored personnel carrier and Camo? We can play scenarios all day and always find many that are not pleasant - I'm not interested in doing that.
Okay, I'll play one round.
Only if local pd is to cowardly to go get a deer rifle and take care of the situation if a clear shot presents itself or proceed with dynamic entry if not. If the local pd is not familiar with breaching doors and clearing rooms, maybe you should consider installing a different one.
Jon Bartlett
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