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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: buzzard]
#1535109
11/24/15 05:04 PM
11/24/15 05:04 PM
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PEA_RIDGE
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If those vehicles are needed then the national guard should be brought in. WHICH DOES NOT HAPPEN IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE.. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH MANY CHANNELS TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN. AND IT TAKES HOURS AND HOURS
Fletch Triple Toe Assassins, Where Pellets Meet Peckers
"A turkey's brain development exceeds that of nearly all vice-presidents." - TOM KELLY
The bird possesses a remarkable ability to turn arrogance into hopelessness. - TOM KELLY
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: PEA_RIDGE]
#1535110
11/24/15 05:04 PM
11/24/15 05:04 PM
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Posts: 12,861 Montgomery / Luverne
crenshawco
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Yeah, because a paramilitary police force worked out so well in 1930 Germany. By giving local police forces tanks, MRAP's, rpg's, and other war munitions, you are giving the government more power over citizens. That is not what this country was founded on and succeeeded on. It succeeded because of individual liberty and freedom to succeed without government intervention. Which dept. we're getting tanks, RPGs and war munitions? I know of armored vehicle with no weapons attached. What firepower do they have that the average person cannot get. Class III? Non LEOs can still get those. 50 BMG can still be purchased. NONE THEY WERE ONLY GETTING THE VEHICLES WITH NOWEAPONS AND SOME GOT HELICOPTERS After you buy a tank, MRAP, or chopper, buying ammo is cheap. It's taxpayer money to burn after all!
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: perchjerker]
#1535121
11/24/15 05:10 PM
11/24/15 05:10 PM
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PEA_RIDGE
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THEY GOT IT FREE FROM THE FED.. THEY DIDNT BUY A DAMN THING
THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE ARTICLE
The controversy circled around the 1033 program, set up by the Defense Department in 1997. The program authorizes the Pentagon to send excess military equipment such as armored tracked vehicles, camouflage uniforms and weapons to local law enforcement agencies for no cost. Supporters of the program say it saves money for local agencies, strengthens those agencies and allows the U.S. to get a second use out of existing equipment.
Fletch Triple Toe Assassins, Where Pellets Meet Peckers
"A turkey's brain development exceeds that of nearly all vice-presidents." - TOM KELLY
The bird possesses a remarkable ability to turn arrogance into hopelessness. - TOM KELLY
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: crenshawco]
#1535132
11/24/15 05:15 PM
11/24/15 05:15 PM
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Reyn
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Yeah, because a paramilitary police force worked out so well in 1930 Germany. By giving local police forces tanks, MRAP's, rpg's, and other war munitions, you are giving the government more power over citizens. That is not what this country was founded on and succeeeded on. It succeeded because of individual liberty and freedom to succeed without government intervention. Which dept. we're getting tanks, RPGs and war munitions? I know of armored vehicle with no weapons attached. What firepower do they have that the average person cannot get. Class III? Non LEOs can still get those. 50 BMG can still be purchased. Do a little digging around here. Might just be informing http://bridge.caspio.net/dp.asp?AppKey=36701000b255adcfe6ca4b13a8a4 Take a while to dig through it all but not seeing any firepower that a non LEO can't get so far. Crenshaw county got some 308s. Checked Morgan where I'm at but not aware of any firepower that Others can't get. Do you know any off the top of your head?
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: PEA_RIDGE]
#1535145
11/24/15 05:19 PM
11/24/15 05:19 PM
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Posts: 33,437 Your mom’s house
doekiller
Freak of Nature
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THEY GOT IT FREE FROM THE FED.. THEY DIDNT BUY A DAMN THING
THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE ARTICLE
The controversy circled around the 1033 program, set up by the Defense Department in 1997. The program authorizes the Pentagon to send excess military equipment such as armored tracked vehicles, camouflage uniforms and weapons to local law enforcement agencies for no cost. Supporters of the program say it saves money for local agencies, strengthens those agencies and allows the U.S. to get a second use out of existing equipment. So, since the Feds gave it to them, no one pays for it right? I mean, we don't pay federal taxes.
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: perchjerker]
#1535151
11/24/15 05:21 PM
11/24/15 05:21 PM
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PEA_RIDGE
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YES THE FEDS BOUGHT IT OFF OUR DOLLAR, BUT IT GETTING REUSED IS BETTER THEN SENDING IT TO THE SCRAPPER OR OTHER COUNTRIES THAT COULD IN TURN USE IT ON US
Fletch Triple Toe Assassins, Where Pellets Meet Peckers
"A turkey's brain development exceeds that of nearly all vice-presidents." - TOM KELLY
The bird possesses a remarkable ability to turn arrogance into hopelessness. - TOM KELLY
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: perchjerker]
#1535156
11/24/15 05:23 PM
11/24/15 05:23 PM
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Posts: 5,793 Hoover, AL
M48scout
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Just like we need Federal Government limited in their powers, we need local government limited to some degree as well. Some of this junk they issue the local police is so certain officers (not all, or most) can use the equipment for their Rambo low self esteem. It's very very rare that a local police organization need armed presonnel carriers and various other military weapons. If their egos require using that equipment, then join the military.
Ask yourself this: do you really want the local Harpersville police to have that equipment? Yes, a local police force should be able to have normal sniper type rifles, whatever pistols they want, body armor, etc. But, do you really want one of these rouge officers (small faction of the force, but they do exist) to have access to military weapons if something goes awry in this country and the local DA decides to align themselves with a federal government that you might disagree with???
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: perchjerker]
#1535158
11/24/15 05:24 PM
11/24/15 05:24 PM
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PEA_RIDGE
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THIS IS THE SAME STUFF AN AVERAGE CITIZEN CAN GO OUT AND BUY. I MEAN ITS NIGHT SCOPES , TRUCKS, GUNS THAT ARE NOT CLASS III ECT, THE ONLY REASON 99.999% OF THE CITIZENS DONT HAVE IT IS THE COST OF IT
Fletch Triple Toe Assassins, Where Pellets Meet Peckers
"A turkey's brain development exceeds that of nearly all vice-presidents." - TOM KELLY
The bird possesses a remarkable ability to turn arrogance into hopelessness. - TOM KELLY
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: Fuzzy_Bunny]
#1535160
11/24/15 05:25 PM
11/24/15 05:25 PM
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Posts: 1,258 Cullman County
yotetrapper
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I think a lot of leople are missing the point that if local leo use military equipment appropriately it isnt a big deal. The issue is if they have the stuff, they have the potential to mssuse it, or use it to take freedom from those they are supposed to be protecting. Local officers Leroy, Jim, and Bob feel the same as me when it comes to the government taking our freedoms. It may not be the same in bigger cities, but around here police officers are some of the most red blooded Americans around. I guess the Feds should be the only ones with this equipment and with that mind set I guess they should be the only ones with guns right?
Jon Bartlett
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: M48scout]
#1535165
11/24/15 05:26 PM
11/24/15 05:26 PM
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Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 4,291 CAHABA WMA
PEA_RIDGE
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Just like we need Federal Government limited in their powers, we need local government limited to some degree as well. Some of this junk they issue the local police is so certain officers (not all, or most) can use the equipment for their Rambo low self esteem. It's very very rare that a local police organization need armed presonnel carriers and various other military weapons. If their egos require using that equipment, then join the military.
Ask yourself this: do you really want the local Harpersville police to have that equipment? Yes, a local police force should be able to have normal sniper type rifles, whatever pistols they want, body armor, etc. But, do you really want one of these rouge officers (small faction of the force, but they do exist) to have access to military weapons if something goes awry in this country and the local DA decides to align themselves with a federal government that you might disagree with???
AGAIN REGULAR OL' CITIZEN CAN BUY THE STUFF THE DEPARTMENTS WERE GIVEN THE ONLY ISSUE IS THE COST...
Fletch Triple Toe Assassins, Where Pellets Meet Peckers
"A turkey's brain development exceeds that of nearly all vice-presidents." - TOM KELLY
The bird possesses a remarkable ability to turn arrogance into hopelessness. - TOM KELLY
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: Fuzzy_Bunny]
#1535166
11/24/15 05:26 PM
11/24/15 05:26 PM
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Posts: 6,713 Baldwin County
mark
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I think a lot of leople are missing the point that if local leo use military equipment appropriately it isnt a big deal. The issue is if they have the stuff, they have the potential to mssuse it, or use it to take freedom from those they are supposed to be protecting. Bingo. No matter how you spin it, an armored personnel carrier on the streets of small town America is a disturbing image.
Sig Sauer, to hell and back reliable.
Whatever suits you just tickles me plum to death.
Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: doekiller]
#1535168
11/24/15 05:27 PM
11/24/15 05:27 PM
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Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,251 N. Alabama
Reyn
10 point
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10 point
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N. Alabama
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THEY GOT IT FREE FROM THE FED.. THEY DIDNT BUY A DAMN THING
THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE ARTICLE
The controversy circled around the 1033 program, set up by the Defense Department in 1997. The program authorizes the Pentagon to send excess military equipment such as armored tracked vehicles, camouflage uniforms and weapons to local law enforcement agencies for no cost. Supporters of the program say it saves money for local agencies, strengthens those agencies and allows the U.S. to get a second use out of existing equipment. So, since the Feds gave it to them, no one pays for it right? I mean, we don't pay federal taxes. If it can be used do you not think it should be used as opposed to sitting somewhere rusting away?
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: M48scout]
#1535180
11/24/15 05:31 PM
11/24/15 05:31 PM
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Joined: Feb 2008
Posts: 3,251 N. Alabama
Reyn
10 point
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10 point
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Posts: 3,251
N. Alabama
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Just like we need Federal Government limited in their powers, we need local government limited to some degree as well. Some of this junk they issue the local police is so certain officers (not all, or most) can use the equipment for their Rambo low self esteem. It's very very rare that a local police organization need armed presonnel carriers and various other military weapons. If their egos require using that equipment, then join the military.
Ask yourself this: do you really want the local Harpersville police to have that equipment? Yes, a local police force should be able to have normal sniper type rifles, whatever pistols they want, body armor, etc. But, do you really want one of these rouge officers (small faction of the force, but they do exist) to have access to military weapons if something goes awry in this country and the local DA decides to align themselves with a federal government that you might disagree with???
What military weapons are they getting that a non LEO cannot get. I still cannot find anything. It seems some believe they have TOW missiles or anti aircraft weapons. Maybe some do but I cannot find anything clarifying it.
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: yotetrapper]
#1535199
11/24/15 05:38 PM
11/24/15 05:38 PM
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Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 33,437 Your mom’s house
doekiller
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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I think a lot of leople are missing the point that if local leo use military equipment appropriately it isnt a big deal. The issue is if they have the stuff, they have the potential to mssuse it, or use it to take freedom from those they are supposed to be protecting. Local officers Leroy, Jim, and Bob feel the same as me when it comes to the government taking our freedoms. It may not be the same in bigger cities, but around here police officers are some of the most red blooded Americans around. I guess the Feds should be the only ones with this equipment and with that mind set I guess they should be the only ones with guns right? I know plenty of local police in the metro Birmingham area that don't think citizens should have guns. The Baldwin County sheriff has made it well known he is against citizens carrying guns. More police want unarmed citizens than you think.
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police,
[Re: buzzard]
#1535265
11/24/15 06:37 PM
11/24/15 06:37 PM
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Posts: 601 FLORENCE, AL
JOKER
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If those vehicles are needed then the national guard should be brought in. For what to be a deterrent? Unless Martial Law is declared they aint nothing but being seen.
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