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Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: 3FFarms] #1471886
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Yep, a good situation for a guy is to have property next to or very near a large landowner or cooperative of landowners that are under strict trophy management with their deer.


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Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: 3FFarms] #1471925
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Did you come up with 100 bucks on 1200 acres estimate by doing a camera survey or is it a guess? Not disputing your numbers, that just seems awfully high. If you had a buck to doe ratio of 1:2, that would be 300 deer on 1200 acres - 150 deer per sq mile.

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: slipn] #1472048
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Mississippi or Alabama?? Either way one buck per 15 acres is a lot of deer after you throw in the doe numbers but some places can sustain it but most can't.

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Originally Posted By: slipn
Did you come up with 100 bucks on 1200 acres estimate by doing a camera survey or is it a guess? Not disputing your numbers, that just seems awfully high. If you had a buck to doe ratio of 1:2, that would be 300 deer on 1200 acres - 150 deer per sq mile.


Camera surveys and deer sightings over the past 5 years. We are very blessed to have a high deer density with good, quality habitat and neighbors that don't shoot a lot of deer. This past weekend there were 3 of us (myself and 2 neighbors) that were bowhunting within a 100 acre block. We saw 45 deer between the three of us including 11 bucks. Some of those were likely the same deer but I would guess the large majority were not.


Originally Posted by CNC
Ya'll are just overthinking it now

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: 3FFarms] #1472056
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What's your offseason nutrition routine?

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: Hogwild] #1472057
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
They cannot be stockpiled on one property!




You have much to learn grasshopper...

What do you think this fellar is doing laugh


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Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer
What's your offseason nutrition routine?


Flooding. smile

In all seriousness, most springs we are under water. When we aren't, clover from the fall plots will take us through June. We also feed protein, although not like we should. Have tried beans/peas before when the water allowed but it's just too much of a headache knowing you could lose it all in no time with a high river.


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Ya'll are just overthinking it now

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: NightHunter] #1472127
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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Originally Posted By: Hogwild
They cannot be stockpiled on one property!




You have much to learn grasshopper...

What do you think this fellar is doing laugh




Dang right wish I could afford to fence our place. That would solve a bunch of problems. It would be awesome to say the neighbor won't shoot that 115" 3 yr old 8 pt.

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: 3FFarms] #1472143
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Originally Posted By: 3FFarms

Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer
What's your offseason nutrition routine?


Flooding. smile

In all seriousness, most springs we are under water. When we aren't, clover from the fall plots will take us through June. We also feed protein, although not like we should. Have tried beans/peas before when the water allowed but it's just too much of a headache knowing you could lose it all in no time with a high river.


Hmmm... that's interesting. I'm wondering if they won't establish semi-permanent residence due to being pushed out every Spring. In my opinion, if you could do a better off season nutrition with mineral spots etc, they would stay around better.

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: NightHunter] #1472424
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Originally Posted By: NightHunter
Originally Posted By: Hogwild
They cannot be stockpiled on one property!




You have much to learn grasshopper...

What do you think this fellar is doing laugh




Aahhhh......so true! smile

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: Hogwild] #1472428
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Since it's been brought up someone define "stock piling bucks", and tell us why it can't be done.



"Why do you ask"?

Always vote the slowest path to socialism.







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Here is one quick article:

Click

But, there are plenty more available. I just did not have the time, nor compulsion, to do a big search, copy and paste.

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: 2Dogs] #1472474
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Since it's been brought up someone define "stock piling bucks", and tell us why it can't be done.


I think I know where you are headed. Have the best food, cover, and least pressure and you will have the bucks?? Now, is that stock piling?? Works for me.

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: centralala] #1472497
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Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Since it's been brought up someone define "stock piling bucks", and tell us why it can't be done.


I think I know where you are headed. Have the best food, cover, and least pressure and you will have the bucks?? Now, is that stock piling?? Works for me.


Am I that predictable? shocked

I've seen a couple of definitions and though by those definitions, yes you can to some degree.

Last edited by 2Dogs; 10/06/15 04:02 AM.


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Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: 3FFarms] #1472501
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You can attract bucks and fill voids. But, you can let them ALL walk.....and not see an appreciable difference due to dispersal.

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: 3FFarms] #1472830
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Interesting quote from the article

Quote:
Population Dynamics


The size and make up of the deer herd also plays a major role in determining whether bucks will disperse to set up a new home range. After nearly 40 years of photographing deer and another 20 raising them I've learned that most mature bucks are quite secretive and like to keep to them selves. They tend to like "elbow room" so if there is an over population of deer bucks will often move to where there are less deer, providing there is adequate cover and food. It's not uncommon on some ranges for bucks to disperse many miles before settling on a home range that appeals to them.

It should also be pointed out that excessive deer numbers can cause does to move in search of area that meets their food, cover and preferred fawn birthing conditions. So, the size of a deer herd can play a role in the way deer move.


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Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: Hogwild] #1473019
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
You can attract bucks and fill voids. But, you can let them ALL walk.....and not see an appreciable difference due to dispersal.


Don't buy it. Never say never. Until a large property reaches the saturation point, call it what you will, sounds like stock piling to me.



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Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: 3FFarms] #1473080
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I've seen certain properties that were slammed with bucks, year to year. Not huge tracks either500 acres or so. These properties had good cover (but no different than other property around) and about the same pressure as adjoining properties. I'm sure it had something different, but I couldn't see it. This would go against mature bucks wanting their elbow room. Not saying they don't but I don't think their desire for solitude is as strong as their desire to be on property with good cover, food and low pressure. Beyond that having the "right" property is all luck IMO. Some places have it and some just kind of have it and some don't have it, even with all the effort in the world.

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: 3FFarms] #1473136
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So what I've gained from this thread...

1)You can have too many deer
2)You can't have too many deer
3)Bucks like solitude
4)Bucks like socializing
5)You can stockpile bucks
6)You can't stockpile bucks

And the most accurate statement of all...it's all about luck. smile

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Originally Posted by CNC
Ya'll are just overthinking it now

Re: Buck Dispersion [Re: 3FFarms] #1474143
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A deer's home range shrinks in size considerably as he gets older too. I know I don't run a camera per 100 acres on my place. I've thought lots of times that I'm missing deer.


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