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Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 04:33 AM
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 04:48 AM
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Alabama as a whole will never produce what mississippi does bc of soil, that mississippi mud is something special. Look in the alabama record book deer and the counties with the most deer with the exception of jackson co, are in the blackbelt. Most of miss has what the blackbelt has. Better soil, better plants, deer take up more nutrients. As simple as that
My exerpt from the alabama has the worst gentics post last week.
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 05:19 AM
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Did you watch the video? Their scientific research indicates with improved nutrition for 2+ generations; deer from sandy pine woods regions could catch up to deer from the Delta region.
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 05:44 AM
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Matt Brock
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The areas in the TN valley produce some giant deer. Morgan, Lawrence, Limestone, Madison.
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 05:56 AM
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The areas in the TN valley produce some giant deer. Morgan, Lawrence, Limestone, Madison. Good to hear. You'd think they would, but I guess I'm out of the loop.
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 05:58 AM
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We tend to keep it quiet up here Joe.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!!
My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 06:20 AM
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The areas in the TN valley produce some giant deer. Morgan, Lawrence, Limestone, Madison. Yep,. all along the Tennessee river. I hear there's some sho nuff grown uns on that Bankhead Forest place too.
"Why do you ask"?
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 10:31 AM
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I definitely don't disagree with what the video states. Nutrition does play a huge role. However genetics plays a huge role as well. There's a reason people with high fences throw in deer from different states. You cant take a 50 lb doe and buck from the keys of Florida, give it optimum nutrition and except to have giant racked deer
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 01:27 PM
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Matt Brock
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So Matt; what's your opinion of the research in the video from MSU ? I worked on this project as a research technician in it's infant stages. I was an undergrad at MSU assisting Graduae students with the capture and captive husbandry of the wild caught deer they started with. The F1 offspring we would capture, weigh, measure, take DNA, and tag. Of course I wasn't there long enough to see the results, considering it was a very long study. I have kept up with the annual updates, as I worked for the MDWFP for almost 4 years following graduation. I've also read a couple of theses the follow the progress. I completely agree with the results and we all assumed that would be the case. Highly fertile soil grows big deer. If you're not in an area with high soil fertility then you'll see a smaller average per age class than your neighbors in good soil fertility. Genetics in a free ranging herd has never been a problem.
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 01:30 PM
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I definitely don't disagree with what the video states. Nutrition does play a huge role. However genetics plays a huge role as well. There's a reason people with high fences throw in deer from different states. You cant take a 50 lb doe and buck from the keys of Florida, give it optimum nutrition and except to have giant racked deer I know of a few enclosures that have deer that are all native blood lines with no outside the state genetics, and they're very impressive. Even the northern strain genetics don't typically grow antlers as large in lower soil fertility areas as they do in higher fertility.
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 01:35 PM
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Matt Brock
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The reason people introduce the northern strain deer is because they've been bred for the highest quality antler features for several generations now. You can do the same thing with southern whitetails, but on average, will still see lower averages. You bring northern deer down here on our soil, and in a couple generations they're averages will probably come down. Meaning, on average, even in controlled environments, you're not going to grow northern strain deer in AL as big as you could grow them in Wisconsin.
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Re: Whitetail/Soil Region research
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07/27/15 04:36 PM
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So Matt; what's your opinion of the research in the video from MSU ? I worked on this project as a research technician in it's infant stages. I was an undergrad at MSU assisting Graduae students with the capture and captive husbandry of the wild caught deer they started with. The F1 offspring we would capture, weigh, measure, take DNA, and tag. Of course I wasn't there long enough to see the results, considering it was a very long study. I have kept up with the annual updates, as I worked for the MDWFP for almost 4 years following graduation. I've also read a couple of theses the follow the progress. I completely agree with the results and we all assumed that would be the case. Highly fertile soil grows big deer. If you're not in an area with high soil fertility then you'll see a smaller average per age class than your neighbors in good soil fertility. Genetics in a free ranging herd has never been a problem. OK, first I'm assuming something here so correct me if I'm wrong. In Alabama, you would consider the black belt high fertile soil, correct? If so, why does the high fertile soil only affect deer. Cows, coons, possums, turkeys, squirrels, donkeys, etc. same as everywhere else. Now I know this for a fact on the other animals. Even had this discussion a couple of weeks ago with a cattleman that has cows scattered all over and they are all the same. I saw probably 30 deer just today in the black belt and the big ones do appear larger than deer say where I live.
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