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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: hawglips]
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07/06/15 04:14 PM
07/06/15 04:14 PM
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CatHeadBiscuit
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Like said earlier. pay a bounty for yotes, bob cats and racoons and see how well the turkeys bounce back.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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07/06/15 04:28 PM
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poorcountrypreacher
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Would Dr. Miller happen to be the MSU prof that must be teaching that gobblers sit on the eggs and help with raising poults?
Where did you hear that? Sorry, just a bad joke. MSU grads seem to have a different perspective than AU grads.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: hawglips]
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07/07/15 01:10 AM
07/07/15 01:10 AM
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Gotcha1
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Too many people thinking they should kill the limit every year dang sure doesn't help.
Matt Brock wears knock-off Crocs.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: jlccoffee]
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07/07/15 02:34 AM
07/07/15 02:34 AM
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alabama
BhamFred
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if aflatoxins killed the snot out of turkeys there wouldn't be a turkey left in Texas...... Texas was at least recently still restocking in east Texas which would be more comparable to Alabama. West Texas is dry and wouldn't compare to Alabama. The molds that make aflatoxins like hot and humid. I don't think it is all of the problem, but feeding wildlife definitely is a problem in many cases. lots of Texas gets plenty of rain, you must not watch the news lately.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: Gotcha1]
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07/07/15 03:11 AM
07/07/15 03:11 AM
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Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
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Too many people thinking they should kill the limit every year dang sure doesn't help. That's what I meant about the gobblers sitting on the eggs. If the hens have to do all the work by themselves, that's gotta hurt their success. 
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: Snuffy]
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07/07/15 03:24 AM
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outdoorobsession
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[quote=Snuffy]I personally think it's the wide spread use of Chicken Litter on farm land in North Alabama. With the cost of fertilize now a days farmers are turning to Chicken Litter. Sure is strange that turkeys started to disappear when more people started using litter. [/quote
THIS. we had a LOT of turkeys..but couldnt hunt them in our area. Id see huge flocks of 30 with big groups of gobblers everyday in the big ag fields.
The farmer next to us farms a couple thousand acres, and he started using chicken litter..and with in 2 years we never SEE ANY turkeys now. NONE!
They are all gone. Dead I believe from diseases from the litter.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: BhamFred]
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07/07/15 03:50 AM
07/07/15 03:50 AM
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Coffee Co, AL
jlccoffee
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if aflatoxins killed the snot out of turkeys there wouldn't be a turkey left in Texas...... Texas was at least recently still restocking in east Texas which would be more comparable to Alabama. West Texas is dry and wouldn't compare to Alabama. The molds that make aflatoxins like hot and humid. I don't think it is all of the problem, but feeding wildlife definitely is a problem in many cases. lots of Texas gets plenty of rain, you must not watch the news lately. I do watch the news, I know about the flooding, and I have forgotten more about aflatoxins than a retired game warden will ever know.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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07/07/15 04:19 AM
07/07/15 04:19 AM
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Moss Creek
Gotcha1
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Too many people thinking they should kill the limit every year dang sure doesn't help. That's what I meant about the gobblers sitting on the eggs. If the hens have to do all the work by themselves, that's gotta hurt their success. Hit home? 
Matt Brock wears knock-off Crocs.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: jlccoffee]
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07/07/15 05:49 AM
07/07/15 05:49 AM
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alabama
BhamFred
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if aflatoxins killed the snot out of turkeys there wouldn't be a turkey left in Texas...... Texas was at least recently still restocking in east Texas which would be more comparable to Alabama. West Texas is dry and wouldn't compare to Alabama. The molds that make aflatoxins like hot and humid. I don't think it is all of the problem, but feeding wildlife definitely is a problem in many cases. lots of Texas gets plenty of rain, you must not watch the news lately. I do watch the news, I know about the flooding, and I have forgotten more about aflatoxins than a retired game warden will ever know. no need to get butt hurt...... I'm pretty sure you have forgotten more about any subject than everybody on here combined.....at least in yer mind.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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07/07/15 06:00 AM
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That's what I meant about the gobblers sitting on the eggs. If the hens have to do all the work by themselves, that's gotta hurt their success. That's why I never under any circumstances shoot any of the gobblers who try to help out in the nesting/incubating cycle. They get a pass from me everytime. The only ones I'm interested in are those deadbeet dads who treat hens like nothing but sex objects and then go looking for the next baby mama Maybe if states rights stuff ever comes to a head we can at least make PCP the turkey czar of Alabama or maybe even the southeast.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: Gotcha1]
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07/07/15 06:28 AM
07/07/15 06:28 AM
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poorcountrypreacher
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Too many people thinking they should kill the limit every year dang sure doesn't help. That's what I meant about the gobblers sitting on the eggs. If the hens have to do all the work by themselves, that's gotta hurt their success. Hit home? LOL - Not a bit. I went to Auburn. I learned that the gobbler becomes expendable after carrying out his one function in the reproduction process. I try to kill my limit every year and I know that has zero effect on the overall turkey population. I saw 5 longbeards in one of my fields a couple weeks after the season ended. All the habitat work I do does affect the population. I think encouraging others to manage the land for turkeys is the best way to increase the population. Then we can all enjoy trying to take some of the excess birds in the spring. I was taught this at a very young age and I've never seen anything to make me doubt it. I hope you know I'm joking about the gobblers sitting on the eggs. Brent, that's a great policy on which gobblers you shoot. Only kill the deadbeats, give the good family gobblers a pass. You need to share that with the nwtf folks.
Last edited by poorcountrypreacher; 07/07/15 06:33 AM.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: hawglips]
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07/07/15 07:28 AM
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USA
marshmud991
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Nope,not the corn, it's them 2 coonarse Hebert boys that knocked the population down so much. The 4 gobblers that took us 3 yrs to kill is what did it. The other gobblers figure if the 2 could kill that many, they better stay quiet and hide from all the sho nuff hunters in y'all's state. We had them so scared they probably skipped the breeding stage, hence the decline in the population. This I just my opinion, no facts can be found to back this statement.
It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: BrentM]
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07/07/15 08:45 AM
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NC
hawglips
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Maybe if states rights stuff ever comes to a head we can at least make PCP the turkey czar of Alabama or maybe even the southeast.
But I am concerned that he'd make me shooting a fall hen a hanging offense....
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: hawglips]
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07/07/15 09:35 AM
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alabama
BhamFred
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Maybe if states rights stuff ever comes to a head we can at least make PCP the turkey czar of Alabama or maybe even the southeast.
But I am concerned that he'd make me shooting a fall hen a hanging offense.... Charles Kelly would send a MOSAD hit team after you....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: centralala]
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07/07/15 09:38 AM
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coonhunterrn
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I admit I'm on the lunatic fringe about coyotes, I'm an alarmist for sure about them. I think they are killing everything out there that we hunt, and doing it much faster than everybody believes or will admit. They don't have any predators around here, we have the perfect habitat for them, and they are nose-hounds (so to speak)--they can find a nest with NO problem. I agree. I hate coyotes with a passion. And it is NOT faster than I believe!! With so many animals after their eggs, it's a miracle we have any turkeys. I just think for me, coons get more eggs. But, who knows?? I can help with this problem.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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07/07/15 09:38 AM
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Moss Creek
Gotcha1
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Too many people thinking they should kill the limit every year dang sure doesn't help. That's what I meant about the gobblers sitting on the eggs. If the hens have to do all the work by themselves, that's gotta hurt their success. Hit home? LOL - Not a bit. I went to Auburn. I learned that the gobbler becomes expendable after carrying out his one function in the reproduction process. I try to kill my limit every year and I know that has zero effect on the overall turkey population. I saw 5 longbeards in one of my fields a couple weeks after the season ended. All the habitat work I do does affect the population. I think encouraging others to manage the land for turkeys is the best way to increase the population. Then we can all enjoy trying to take some of the excess birds in the spring. I was taught this at a very young age and I've never seen anything to make me doubt it. I hope you know I'm joking about the gobblers sitting on the eggs. Brent, that's a great policy on which gobblers you shoot. Only kill the deadbeats, give the good family gobblers a pass. You need to share that with the nwtf folks. Hmmm
Last edited by Gotcha1; 07/07/15 09:40 AM.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: BhamFred]
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07/07/15 09:46 AM
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Sylacauga, AL
poorcountrypreacher
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Maybe if states rights stuff ever comes to a head we can at least make PCP the turkey czar of Alabama or maybe even the southeast.
But I am concerned that he'd make me shooting a fall hen a hanging offense.... Charles Kelly would send a MOSAD hit team after you.... Hey, that could happen now. Better watch your back, Hal. That guy in the dark sunglasses could be after you. Hal, I do apologize for my role in the destruction of your thread.
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: is corn to blame?
[Re: BhamFred]
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07/07/15 11:33 AM
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daniel white
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if aflatoxins killed the snot out of turkeys there wouldn't be a turkey left in Texas...... Texas was at least recently still restocking in east Texas which would be more comparable to Alabama. West Texas is dry and wouldn't compare to Alabama. The molds that make aflatoxins like hot and humid. I don't think it is all of the problem, but feeding wildlife definitely is a problem in many cases. lots of Texas gets plenty of rain, you must not watch the news lately. I do watch the news, I know about the flooding, and I have forgotten more about aflatoxins than a retired game warden will ever know. no need to get butt hurt...... I'm pretty sure you have forgotten more about any subject than everybody on here combined.....at least in yer mind. You wasting your time here Troy, This man has got that brilliant thing called Google, if it's on the computer it's got to be true.. Done learned, you aint gonna get no where with him.. Just my $.02
"You do and it will be the biggest mistake you ever made, you Texas brush popper" John Wayne
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