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Re: Baiting
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#1358120
05/28/15 05:10 AM
05/28/15 05:10 AM
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Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 25,687 South Alabama
Rebelman
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
Joined: Oct 2003
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South Alabama
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Just for the record, hunter satisfaction has been proven to decline sharply where baiting is allowed. Hunters are much more satisfied on areas with no bait. Hunter success is also higher. Truth. Which is what I did a poor job describing in my original post on this thread.
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Re: Baiting
[Re: Clem]
#1358127
05/28/15 05:16 AM
05/28/15 05:16 AM
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Joined: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,787 Cullman
Zkd22
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First week of December. Was cold as an icebox.
This was after watching a crew of does with one young, skinny-necked 130-inch buck and some smaller bucks eat at the feeder during the day for two days. I understand what your saying but it's also a lot different climate and less grocery options in Kansas. Kind of like in Saskatchewan where there is nothing to eat so they are coming to a pile of Alfa Alfa regardless. The deer at my place may be different but I never get daylight pics of mature bucks at a feeder and I don't get many in the dark. If it makes people happier to not feed then that's great. I'm all for everybody getting full enjoyment from the great outdoors and support them hunting in anyway they see fit. If hunter success is higher then I would think the guys against it would change their view. Y'all will be killing all kinds of deer while us guys that feed won't have to worry about sharpening our knife. The state of Alabama tells us how many bucks we can kill which is 3. So what's the big deal with feeding...you can still only kill 3. The outlaws are going to be outlaws. There are guys shooting more than 3 and the same guys are hunting over corn illegally anyway. You can't stop all the outlaws there are not enough boots on the ground. So why not let the guys that follow the rules and spend a lot of money on their properties feed if they want to. Most of the guys out there that are going to be willing to spend money on a feeder permit are carrying a conservation mindset and typically aren't out there to see how many they can kill in a season. Let the DCNR take their 75% cut and we will be a step closer to having the funds to implicate this tagging system that a lot of people would like to see put in to action. Let them hire more wardens since we are already short handed anyway.
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Re: Baiting
[Re: Bamabucks14]
#1358199
05/28/15 06:56 AM
05/28/15 06:56 AM
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Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,678 Alabama
Honolua
I'm Honey Lou Lou and I voted for Obama... Twice!!!
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I'm Honey Lou Lou and I voted for Obama... Twice!!!
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Alabama
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If this is such a big issue, just farm deer, like cattle. The hell with the traditional aspect of hunting. "I need bait to kill a deer". You're a shitass excuse of a hunter if that's the case Stop your bitching. If you can't kill a deer buy some potted meat for 69 cents a can. If you hunt and cannot get at least one shot on a deer, of either sex, without bait, by all means bait them. But if that's the case you probably live in another country where whitetail deer do not exist. Lol. Fill in bait with "gun", and that's what I secretly think about non-bow hunters. That argument don't work with bait or guns though... If it's legal, I ain't got no issues with either.
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Re: Baiting
[Re: extreme heights hunter]
#1358201
05/28/15 07:03 AM
05/28/15 07:03 AM
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Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,678 Alabama
Honolua
I'm Honey Lou Lou and I voted for Obama... Twice!!!
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I'm Honey Lou Lou and I voted for Obama... Twice!!!
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 3,678
Alabama
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Baiters gonna bait.
Don't hate the baiter, hate game. Now that's funny there!
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Re: Baiting
[Re: Honolua]
#1358264
05/28/15 08:38 AM
05/28/15 08:38 AM
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Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 25,155 Guntersville, AL
IDOT
I am Cornholio
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I am Cornholio
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 25,155
Guntersville, AL
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There is nothing more boring than sitting over a greenfield. The thoughts of sitting over and watching a pile of corn sounds even less satisfying. The thought of HAVING to put out corn to compete with neighbors sounds frustrating.
If you’re a common sense person, you probably don’t feel you have a home in this world right now. If you’re a Christian, you know you were never meant to.
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Re: Baiting
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#1358290
05/28/15 09:14 AM
05/28/15 09:14 AM
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Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 471 Baldwin, Alabama
jmack66
4 point
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4 point
Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 471
Baldwin, Alabama
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We feed cause we hunt in Florida. We do not kill any bucks over the feed. You might see some small bucks, but thats it. Just because you feed, doesnt mean yo gona just fill your freezers. Only thing I think is good about feeding is you helping some farmer that needs it. I am like others to, your only can kill 3 bucks, so is it gona make that much difference?
Live everyday like its your last
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Re: Baiting
[Re: jmack66]
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05/28/15 09:24 AM
05/28/15 09:24 AM
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Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 13,716 Over yonder
extreme heights hunter
Booner
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Booner
Joined: Apr 2007
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We feed cause we hunt in Florida. We do not kill any bucks over the feed. You might see some small bucks, but thats it. Just because you feed, doesnt mean yo gona just fill your freezers. Only thing I think is good about feeding is you helping some farmer that needs it. I am like others to, your only can kill 3 bucks, so is it gona make that much difference? the 2 high dollar La Floresta clubs have feeders going year around. when the feeders go off, you can dang near close your eyes and pull the trigger and kill a doe. they see bucks on a regular basis too. doesn't sound like fun to me but if killing large numbers of deer is your thing, that's the place to be.
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Re: Baiting
[Re: extreme heights hunter]
#1358297
05/28/15 09:28 AM
05/28/15 09:28 AM
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Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,912 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
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Booner
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the 2 high dollar La Floresta clubs have feeders going year around. when the feeders go off, you can dang near close your eyes and pull the trigger and kill a doe. they see bucks on a regular basis too. doesn't sound like fun to me but if killing large numbers of deer is your thing, that's the place to be. If you're talking about Helton's Pasture as one of them, that hasn't been my experience. Does, yeah, you see a few, but not like you'd think. Bucks, not so much. I hunt there several days a year as a guest (good friend of mine is a member), and I've yet to see a racked buck under a feeder there. Seen plenty of them in those peanut fields they used to have, though.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: Baiting
[Re: hunterbuck]
#1358304
05/28/15 09:42 AM
05/28/15 09:42 AM
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Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,952 Molino, FL
auburn17
8 point
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8 point
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the 2 high dollar La Floresta clubs have feeders going year around. when the feeders go off, you can dang near close your eyes and pull the trigger and kill a doe. they see bucks on a regular basis too. doesn't sound like fun to me but if killing large numbers of deer is your thing, that's the place to be. If you're talking about Helton's Pasture as one of them, that hasn't been my experience. Does, yeah, you see a few, but not like you'd think. Bucks, not so much. I hunt there several days a year as a guest (good friend of mine is a member), and I've yet to see a racked buck under a feeder there. Seen plenty of them in those peanut fields they used to have, though. All of La Floresta, including Helton's pasture has decreased over the last several years (since Ivan). La Floresta requires every club to kill 2 does for every buck, so you definitely don't see as many deer as you used to. But, La Floresta is proof that when it is done correctly you CAN kill bucks over feeders. Most of that is due to lack of pressure than corn, 1 member per 250-300 acres is the standard for the La Floresta clubs. That is one of the few places I have hunted in Florida that you can actually "see a rut" with multiple bucks chasing hot does.
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Re: Baiting
[Re: IDOT]
#1358315
05/28/15 10:08 AM
05/28/15 10:08 AM
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Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,780 central ala,
centralala
14 point
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14 point
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central ala,
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There is nothing more boring than sitting over a greenfield. The thoughts of sitting over and watching a pile of corn sounds even less satisfying. The thought of HAVING to put out corn to compete with neighbors sounds frustrating. For each his own. For me, sitting on a greenfield in a plush shooting house with a Dr. Pepper, snickers bar, tobacco, and a good book with a field full of deer is what I like. I don't care if I kill a deer. Some may not call that "hunting" but its what I enjoy...just seeing deer. Now, I don't have a comment on the corn issue for one reason: I simply don't care, I won't spend the money on it. But if it's legal and someone wants to, have at it.
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Re: Baiting
[Re: timbercruiser]
#1358332
05/28/15 10:40 AM
05/28/15 10:40 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,970 Round ‘bout there
Clem
Mildly Quirky
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Mildly Quirky
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 51,970
Round ‘bout there
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If I may ask, why do you just enjoy sitting there watching a bunch of deer? Do you kill anything or just watch?
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
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Re: Baiting
[Re: timbercruiser]
#1358344
05/28/15 11:06 AM
05/28/15 11:06 AM
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Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,778 Florida
jacannon
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10 point
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 2,778
Florida
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There is some private land inside La Floresta where some very good bucks are killed over bait every year.
Grandma said...Always keep a gun close at hand, you just never know when you might run across some varmint that needs killing...
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Re: Baiting
[Re: Clem]
#1358358
05/28/15 11:33 AM
05/28/15 11:33 AM
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Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,780 central ala,
centralala
14 point
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14 point
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Posts: 7,780
central ala,
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If I may ask, why do you just enjoy sitting there watching a bunch of deer? Do you kill anything or just watch?
Yes, I kill one occasionally. It is rare even though I killed 3 last year I probably haven't killed a deer in 5-6 years prior. Some people like watching birds, some like riding bicycles, some like going to college football games. I like watching deer. And I like the habitat management part. For each his own. I don't argue or disagree with the way anyone "hunts" if they enjoy what they are doing. It should be about enjoyment.
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Re: Baiting
[Re: Rebelman]
#1358376
05/28/15 11:49 AM
05/28/15 11:49 AM
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Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 8,377 Gulfcrest
bigt
14 point
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14 point
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 8,377
Gulfcrest
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I hope it passes. I want all the deer I can get on my property and I will feed it by the tons. I have no interest in shooting anything but a mature buck with mature being 4+. If I can keep all the young bucks on my place that will increase my odds of preventing the neighbors from shooting every young buck that walks by them.
For all the guys against it....I don't think the law will state that it is mandatory for you to feed. It's optional just like dog hunting. If you don't like it...don't do it. It's not illegal to feed it by the tons now. Very difficult on smaller tracts of land without limiting yourself to just a couple of stand location. Oh and I fed 3 or 4 tons last year...it just made it difficult with 100 yd rule Lease more land. If you have money to feed wild animals then you surely have money to lease more land. Is that an ever so subtle sales pitch there Rebelman
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Re: Baiting
[Re: bigt]
#1358410
05/28/15 12:44 PM
05/28/15 12:44 PM
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Joined: Dec 2001
Posts: 13,912 AL
hunterbuck
Booner
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Booner
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I hope it passes. I want all the deer I can get on my property and I will feed it by the tons. I have no interest in shooting anything but a mature buck with mature being 4+. If I can keep all the young bucks on my place that will increase my odds of preventing the neighbors from shooting every young buck that walks by them.
For all the guys against it....I don't think the law will state that it is mandatory for you to feed. It's optional just like dog hunting. If you don't like it...don't do it. It's not illegal to feed it by the tons now. Very difficult on smaller tracts of land without limiting yourself to just a couple of stand location. Oh and I fed 3 or 4 tons last year...it just made it difficult with 100 yd rule Lease more land. If you have money to feed wild animals then you surely have money to lease more land. Is that an ever so subtle sales pitch there Rebelman Sales pitch or not, he has a point. It doesn't matter how many dump trucks of corn you dump on your property, you've not going to "hold" many deer on a couple of hundred or so acres. They roam...it's what they do. There may be special circumstances which help keep them on a particular property, such as terrain features, river, or major highway, but overall, a couple of hundred acres isn't much to a deer.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: Baiting
[Re: hunterbuck]
#1358421
05/28/15 01:01 PM
05/28/15 01:01 PM
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Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 34,555 Boxes Cove
2Dogs
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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I hope it passes. I want all the deer I can get on my property and I will feed it by the tons. I have no interest in shooting anything but a mature buck with mature being 4+. If I can keep all the young bucks on my place that will increase my odds of preventing the neighbors from shooting every young buck that walks by them.
For all the guys against it....I don't think the law will state that it is mandatory for you to feed. It's optional just like dog hunting. If you don't like it...don't do it. It's not illegal to feed it by the tons now. Very difficult on smaller tracts of land without limiting yourself to just a couple of stand location. Oh and I fed 3 or 4 tons last year...it just made it difficult with 100 yd rule Lease more land. If you have money to feed wild animals then you surely have money to lease more land. Is that an ever so subtle sales pitch there Rebelman Sales pitch or not, he has a point. It doesn't matter how many dump trucks of corn you dump on your property, you've not going to "hold" many deer on a couple of hundred or so acres. They roam...it's what they do. Can't let this go, some don't roam, if you have 200 acres of bedding and dump yer truck loads of corn in the middle. Don't set foot on it till breeding just is getting started , I'm betting it'll be a blood bath. MOF you won't need the corn, bedding and stay away " till the time is right" small acreages will produce. Carry on , master baiters.
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