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Re: Chambering Problem
[Re: fladeerhntr]
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04/14/15 01:40 AM
04/14/15 01:40 AM
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pop_a_cap
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I trimmed,chamfered and deburred after fl resizing. The brass that I am using is once fired from my gun and some not. Yes I did lube the inside of the necks before resizing and I trimmed first then chamfered and deburred and measured it with my calipers which measured 2.489 and my manual said the brass should be 2.500. Okay we are getting somewhere.. The only missing part is where the shoulder is.. you probably don't have bump gauges so can't measure that. This is the number one cause of a bolt being difficult to close.
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Re: Chambering Problem
[Re: shooters]
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04/14/15 07:48 AM
04/14/15 07:48 AM
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pop_a_cap
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7 mm is a belted magnum. I agree with everything pop_a_cap said AND would only add this= check around the belt. Measure with a caliper above the belt of UNFIRED new brass THEN measyre sized brass. I completely missed the 7mm part.. that being the case it's headspacing off the belt. I don't load any belted cases but assume the shoulder being blown forward would still cause a hard bolt closure.
Last edited by pop_a_cap; 04/14/15 07:55 AM.
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Re: Chambering Problem
[Re: fladeerhntr]
#1326799
04/14/15 07:54 AM
04/14/15 07:54 AM
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pop_a_cap
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Something else I thought of.. possible you are seating your bullets a bit long. They could be hitting the lands before you get the bolt closed.
We still don't know enough about your issue except your brass oal is within spec. We don't know about shoulder measurement or how deep your seating your bullets.
If your buddy's brass chambers fine and your doesn't there is no doubt a difference somewhere and measuring those data points are the only way to find out exactly where the issue is.
Last edited by pop_a_cap; 04/14/15 07:56 AM.
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Re: Chambering Problem
[Re: fladeerhntr]
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04/14/15 10:27 AM
04/14/15 10:27 AM
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Shooters, good info and only info you will learn from someone who's been doing this a long time... The OP will only know by measuring and comparing against known good brass.
I'm trying to emphasize to OP the importance of measuring the brass because that is the true method of knowing where you really are in the process.
Last edited by pop_a_cap; 04/14/15 10:28 AM.
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Re: Chambering Problem
[Re: fladeerhntr]
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04/14/15 11:20 AM
04/14/15 11:20 AM
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I'm late to the party on this post, but back to square one.... make sure your shell holder is touching the base of the sizing die at full stoke and there is a slight cam over in the handle.
Trim.
Then chamber the empty brass and see what happens and report back.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Chambering Problem
[Re: fladeerhntr]
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04/15/15 05:08 AM
04/15/15 05:08 AM
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If you have a factory .243 there assuming it chambers fine... measure that overall length and compare that to your handload.
If they are the same something is going on with seating the bullet in the case causing a buldge or crimp, etc. such as Shooters is saying.
If your slightly longer than the factory round and I'm talking a fraction, just seat the bullet a hair bit deeper. Sounds to me your bullet is just barely touching the lands if the bolt will close (but hard to close). DON'T FORCE IT. Getting one stuck in the chamber isn't going to be fun.
So all chambers are different. I have had several rifles where the book MAX OAL wouldn't chamber. When I get a new rifle in a new caliber I always have a couple factory loaded on hand. I do my sizing/triming/measuring. I'll chamber that empty sized/trimmed i.e. fully prepared case just to check the chamber and see if it is too tight, etc.
I throw that case in the box with the loading dies to measure off of in the future. Also write on the die box some of the specs and label with a sharpie "Trim" on that case.
Then I get another piece of brass and set up the seating die with an empty case. I may start a little longer than max just to see. Put it in the gun...Won't chamber... I bump it back a little (seat it deeper). Take it out and try and chamber again. Won't chamber? Repeat. Ok, 3rd or 15th time we are getting tight and bolt handle is starting to work. Bump a little more. I get that sucker right up in the lands where the bolt will still close but not stick or too hard. I label that case "Max OAL" with a sharpie and throw it in the box with the dies.
Here is where the load development starts...
Then I prime, and load 10 each with various grains of powder/ different powders.
Last important step...Then I adjust to die to bump it back just slightly so that the bullet is just off the lands. And I load some more. Who knows if a rifle is going to like that bullet right up in the lands or just barely touching or maybe just off.
And that is where the entire process of load development begins.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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