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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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03/06/15 04:24 PM
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JTapia
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How do you know they are capable of living normal lives without incidence? The thing that is so alarming about this breed is that every week you hear of another attack by what up to then were just good family dogs. When they do decide to attack it's horrendous. It's a lot different than just getting bit by a Poodle or a Lab. I've read dozens of reports where these dogs killed family members. More often than not they killed small children. The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing.
First let me say that the statement "The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing" is said by ALL breeds that were involved in Fatal Dog bites. Secondly, the most Identified "mix" breed involved in fatal dog bites are the Pit/Lab mix so apparently there is something in a Lab that brings out the worst in the Pit Bull. Now I think we all can admit that even 1 fatal dog bite by any breed is unacceptable to a sane person but they are an unavoidable fact of life. With that in mind I submit to you the following stats and some math: Average Number of Deaths per year in the US: 2,596,993(CDC) Average number of deaths from Dog Bites(all breeds) per year in the US: This is tricky. The CDC States that there are on average 17 deaths per year since 1980 however I have found several sites that say there are around 30 per year so we'll use the larger number. So the number for this is: 30 Now, according to DogBite.org there are, on average, roughly 67% of annual Fatal Dog bite deaths attributed to Pit Bull , Pit Bull/mix and Pit Bull "type". To be fair we'll use all of these and not quibble the differences between breeds that "look" like a pit and a real pit. So 67% of 30 = 18 So, on average, out of 2,596,993 annual deaths in the US 18 of those were caused by a certain dog breed??? Looking at these numbers I would say there is a lot of misplaced, misguided animosity against a breed of dog that causes 0.000006931092998710432% of all deaths in the US. I think some of you have an unhealthy phobia. The evidence and facts just don't support the assertion that all Pit Bulls should die because they are so dangerous. Sorry fellas. Other interesting things on the list of Facts....By number of fatal bite within the breed, the Husky is more than twice as deadly as the Pit Bull and all of its "type". Percent of Huskys that kill humans .81% The percent of Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" population that are involved in fatal dog bites: .41%. If there were the same number of Huskies in the US as there are Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" there would statistically be twice as many fatal dog bites per year in the US. (Dog Bite Lawyer) The deadliest animal in the US: the Honey Bee. Causing an average of 53 deaths in the US per year due to allergic reactions to the Bee sting. As many as 100 deaths per year from allergic reactions to stings from Bees, Wasps, Hornets and Fire Ants combined(CDC)...I guess that could be Honey Bee "Type" also!! According to the site from which you draw your stats Pits make up only 6% of the US dog population yet they are responsible for 64% of dog bite fatalities. It's not about numbers of deaths, it's about percentages. Of coarse there are more deaths by nearly every other means when compared to dog bites. There are certainly more deaths from automobile crashes. However, if there were one automobile that made up only 6% of US ownership yet it was responsible for 64% of all auto fatalities we wouldn't pretend there wasn't a problem with that vehicle, and it would be ridiculous to argue that everyone was simply mistaken about the make and model of that automobile. That is a misnomer. That is what they quote as the percentage of Pit Bull "legal" definition, of which there are 4 breeds legally described as "Pit Bulls, but stats are made up that include all Mix Breeds that have the "Pit Bull Look", a wedge shaped head.(Dogsbite.org) The CDC said they stopped keep stats because of the Mixed Breeds that were being reported as "Pit Bulls" in the media, where these stats come from...there are no experts IDing these dogs just Joe Schmo on the street and kitty kat Katrina the news reporter making the ID as a Pit so as to make the story more sensational.
Last edited by JTapia; 03/06/15 04:31 PM.
Hunt'em hard when they are hard to hunt but never, ever hardly hunt!
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: JTapia]
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03/06/15 04:30 PM
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R_H_Clark
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How do you know they are capable of living normal lives without incidence? The thing that is so alarming about this breed is that every week you hear of another attack by what up to then were just good family dogs. When they do decide to attack it's horrendous. It's a lot different than just getting bit by a Poodle or a Lab. I've read dozens of reports where these dogs killed family members. More often than not they killed small children. The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing.
First let me say that the statement "The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing" is said by ALL breeds that were involved in Fatal Dog bites. Secondly, the most Identified "mix" breed involved in fatal dog bites are the Pit/Lab mix so apparently there is something in a Lab that brings out the worst in the Pit Bull. Now I think we all can admit that even 1 fatal dog bite by any breed is unacceptable to a sane person but they are an unavoidable fact of life. With that in mind I submit to you the following stats and some math: Average Number of Deaths per year in the US: 2,596,993(CDC) Average number of deaths from Dog Bites(all breeds) per year in the US: This is tricky. The CDC States that there are on average 17 deaths per year since 1980 however I have found several sites that say there are around 30 per year so we'll use the larger number. So the number for this is: 30 Now, according to DogBite.org there are, on average, roughly 67% of annual Fatal Dog bite deaths attributed to Pit Bull , Pit Bull/mix and Pit Bull "type". To be fair we'll use all of these and not quibble the differences between breeds that "look" like a pit and a real pit. So 67% of 30 = 18 So, on average, out of 2,596,993 annual deaths in the US 18 of those were caused by a certain dog breed??? Looking at these numbers I would say there is a lot of misplaced, misguided animosity against a breed of dog that causes 0.000006931092998710432% of all deaths in the US. I think some of you have an unhealthy phobia. The evidence and facts just don't support the assertion that all Pit Bulls should die because they are so dangerous. Sorry fellas. Other interesting things on the list of Facts....By number of fatal bite within the breed, the Husky is more than twice as deadly as the Pit Bull and all of its "type". Percent of Huskys that kill humans .81% The percent of Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" population that are involved in fatal dog bites: .41%. If there were the same number of Huskies in the US as there are Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" there would statistically be twice as many fatal dog bites per year in the US. (Dog Bite Lawyer) The deadliest animal in the US: the Honey Bee. Causing an average of 53 deaths in the US per year due to allergic reactions to the Bee sting. As many as 100 deaths per year from allergic reactions to stings from Bees, Wasps, Hornets and Fire Ants combined(CDC)...I guess that could be Honey Bee "Type" also!! And if you consider the fact that pitbull-type dogs represent a minority of all total dogs, but yet represent the lions share of fatal bites, that points you to why people have the distaste they do for these animals. That can not be factually proven. With so many different breeds and "types" along with Mixed breeds attributed as being "Pits", I would say that the Pit Bull and all of its' "Types" are the MOST populous dogs in the US. The Stats I listed are verifiable and produced by the anti Pit Bull groups and the CDC. So you are back to the same old tired argument that the dogs doing all the killing were just misidentified as being Pits. How about we put that argument to rest by saying that the breed that people think looks like a pit is responsible for an incredibly disproportionate amount of deaths in the US. Let's just say that people should avoid breeds that look like or could be misidentified as Pits. Furthermore, let's warn people that these Pit lookalikes are incredible dangerous and should be destroyed on sight.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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03/06/15 04:36 PM
03/06/15 04:36 PM
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JTapia
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How do you know they are capable of living normal lives without incidence? The thing that is so alarming about this breed is that every week you hear of another attack by what up to then were just good family dogs. When they do decide to attack it's horrendous. It's a lot different than just getting bit by a Poodle or a Lab. I've read dozens of reports where these dogs killed family members. More often than not they killed small children. The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing.
First let me say that the statement "The owners were always floored that their wonderful loving dogs could have done such a thing" is said by ALL breeds that were involved in Fatal Dog bites. Secondly, the most Identified "mix" breed involved in fatal dog bites are the Pit/Lab mix so apparently there is something in a Lab that brings out the worst in the Pit Bull. Now I think we all can admit that even 1 fatal dog bite by any breed is unacceptable to a sane person but they are an unavoidable fact of life. With that in mind I submit to you the following stats and some math: Average Number of Deaths per year in the US: 2,596,993(CDC) Average number of deaths from Dog Bites(all breeds) per year in the US: This is tricky. The CDC States that there are on average 17 deaths per year since 1980 however I have found several sites that say there are around 30 per year so we'll use the larger number. So the number for this is: 30 Now, according to DogBite.org there are, on average, roughly 67% of annual Fatal Dog bite deaths attributed to Pit Bull , Pit Bull/mix and Pit Bull "type". To be fair we'll use all of these and not quibble the differences between breeds that "look" like a pit and a real pit. So 67% of 30 = 18 So, on average, out of 2,596,993 annual deaths in the US 18 of those were caused by a certain dog breed??? Looking at these numbers I would say there is a lot of misplaced, misguided animosity against a breed of dog that causes 0.000006931092998710432% of all deaths in the US. I think some of you have an unhealthy phobia. The evidence and facts just don't support the assertion that all Pit Bulls should die because they are so dangerous. Sorry fellas. Other interesting things on the list of Facts....By number of fatal bite within the breed, the Husky is more than twice as deadly as the Pit Bull and all of its "type". Percent of Huskys that kill humans .81% The percent of Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" population that are involved in fatal dog bites: .41%. If there were the same number of Huskies in the US as there are Pit Bulls and Pit Bull "Types" there would statistically be twice as many fatal dog bites per year in the US. (Dog Bite Lawyer) The deadliest animal in the US: the Honey Bee. Causing an average of 53 deaths in the US per year due to allergic reactions to the Bee sting. As many as 100 deaths per year from allergic reactions to stings from Bees, Wasps, Hornets and Fire Ants combined(CDC)...I guess that could be Honey Bee "Type" also!! And if you consider the fact that pitbull-type dogs represent a minority of all total dogs, but yet represent the lions share of fatal bites, that points you to why people have the distaste they do for these animals. That can not be factually proven. With so many different breeds and "types" along with Mixed breeds attributed as being "Pits", I would say that the Pit Bull and all of its' "Types" are the MOST populous dogs in the US. The Stats I listed are verifiable and produced by the anti Pit Bull groups and the CDC. So you are back to the same old tired argument that the dogs doing all the killing were just misidentified as being Pits. How about we put that argument to rest by saying that the breed that people think looks like a pit is responsible for an incredibly disproportionate amount of deaths in the US. Let's just say that people should avoid breeds that look like or could be misidentified as Pits. Furthermore, let's warn people that these Pit lookalikes are incredible dangerous and should be destroyed on sight. I'm not saying it, the websites yall get your info from are saying that dogs that are counted as Pit Bulls may not even have any Pit Bull blood in them, only that they have the wedge shaped head and "look" like a pit bull. "incredible dangerous"??? LMAO that is funny right there...18 deaths out of 2,596,993 deaths per year!!? 0.000006931092998710432% of all deaths in the US on average!!? I see you are still sticking to your tired and unproven argument that these dogs are the most dangerous thing on the planet! 
Hunt'em hard when they are hard to hunt but never, ever hardly hunt!
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: extreme heights hunter]
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03/06/15 04:36 PM
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JTapia
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Wow. You guys are still yacking about this crap. Y'all should masturbate more often. My hand hurts soooo..... 
Hunt'em hard when they are hard to hunt but never, ever hardly hunt!
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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03/06/15 05:01 PM
03/06/15 05:01 PM
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JTapia
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"incredible dangerous"??? LMAO that is funny right there...18 deaths out of 2,596,993 deaths per year!!?
0.000006931092998710432% of all deaths in the US on average!!?
You just don't get it do you? We aren't talking about all the things that can kill you. We are talking about DEATH BY DOG ATTACK!
If pits kill 18 a year and every other breed combined kills 4, yet Pits only make up 6% of the total, that makes death by Pits or even Pit lookalikes incredibly disproportionate.
How many people die every year from everything else has nothing to do with it!!! See you are still using skewed stats...that 6% is the LEGAL DEFINITION OF A PIT BULL WHICH ONLY INCLUDES FOUR BREEDS The Number of fatal dog bite stats provided ALSO include all of the other MIXED BREEDS and OTHER BREEDS SUCH AS THE BOXERREAD IT ALL AND NOT JUST THE PARTS YOU WANT TO AGREE WITHYour math is also wrong, 18 is 67% of 30 average deaths a year so that means that the number of other breeds would be 30-18=12 other fatal dog bites. How you die is absolutely connected to the death when you put the INCREDIBLE DANGEROUS adjective on the dog breed to make it appear more deadly that it really is in the grand scheme of things.
Hunt'em hard when they are hard to hunt but never, ever hardly hunt!
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: trox28]
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03/06/15 07:47 PM
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I love pit bulls..Tapia you keep up the good work amigo  I don't even own one!  Me either but they sleep in my yard from time to time. I'm sure they do.
Hunt'em hard when they are hard to hunt but never, ever hardly hunt!
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
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03/06/15 07:54 PM
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So you Pitt haters.. What do you think about chows? Or one of those other breeds with a bad name.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: Seth86]
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03/07/15 12:11 AM
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So you Pitt haters.. What do you think about chows? Or one of those other breeds with a bad name. I hate them too...As a matter of fact there aint many dogs i really like including my own.
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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03/08/15 08:32 AM
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Round ‘bout there
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"Pit" bites 4-year old. Story does not indicate confirmation of the dog's breed - a mistake by this news media source. Owner and father of said dog puts it in a kennel, kills it with rifle. Now the father who did the right thing is being charged with felony animal cruelty. A $(#@$#* dog gets more protection. Cruelty? Bullhockey. http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20150303/GJNEWS_01/150309821
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Re: When a Pitt Bull attacks...
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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03/10/15 12:30 AM
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That was just a poodle masquerading as a Pitt. That's right. A pit wouldn't do that.......damn lying ass media.
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