Cause you both get muddy and only one of you likes it. I got into a debate with a distant relative and her vegan lawyer friend on hunting being cruel. I have the transcript of the entire debate on a PDF file that I would love to post on here. Is that possible?

I don't know. But i sure hope so

Its a good one. I've blacked out all the names except for mine and I am going to reply one more time. I hoping to post it on here so that the Aldeer brothering can give me some more info to add to my already hated comments. Boff I'm gonna hope you chime in on it if we can get it posted.

I could email the PDF to someone who is smarter than me and maybe they could figure out a way to post it.

Why can't you open the PDF and highlight the wording, right click, copy and paste ?

This. It worked fine for 49er.

I've tried that and When I do, I right click and my past option is not available. ??

He had it perfected

google pdf to jpg converter..convert.. then post like a pic. You should be able to do like was said above. Highlight the text then right click on the text and hit copy. Then paste a reply in here. I just tried it on another pdf and it worked.

hunting is a trade off . we hunters control the populations by killing some in a humane fast way .

vegans want no hunting . witch means the herds run through cycles of boom and bust . in the end the deer die a sad death of starvation .

vegans also don't relise or care that millions of animals are killed in the production of their vegan diet .

to a vegan all animal life is the same . thing is when you take meat out of the diet you really cause more animal death to replace the needed nutrients you got from the meat .

Alright I figured out how to do it. The individual comments are separated every time you see a date. I've deleted the last names on everyone but me. I'm Brandon. George is my uncle and is a pastor. Good Guy. The OP is my 2nd cousin that I rarely ever see. After this its probably gonna be a little awkward at the next reunion.


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People that hunt these beautiful animals are no better than the bullies. I pity anyone who finds joy in taking an innocent life for "sport" or whatever lame excuse they can come up with to justify their actions. The bible plainly states "Thou shall not kill". Animals have just as much of a right to live as humans do, they just don't have the voice to express it nor the power to defend it.
Compassion for animals is intimately associated with goodness of character, and it may be confidently asserted that he who is cruel to animals cannot be a good man.”
(Arthur Schopenhauer)
For The Love Of Alex Inc

Jim I don't hunt, but the Bible also tells us that animals are to be eaten.

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Deborah I don't hunt either and it is true the Bible does state that as well but , you have to kill it to eat it. I don't agree with people that go out hunting weekend after weekend just to see how many animals they can kill. More than they can eat. And giving a child a gun, taking them to the woods to kill a defensless animal, rubbing blood on their face and taking a picture for fb like they've done something to be proud of is wrong. Killing for survial is one thing, killing for "sport" is another.

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Jim I couldn't agree more and I've had that argument many times. I must admit that several hunters I've talked to made good points as to why hunting is needed though.

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Deborah Goldensmith I've heard those "points" many times and your right they make good points to justify their actions. Doing things in excess that you enjoy. You can come up with some great justification. Get rich quick schemes sound great but, they rarely support themselves in the end. I just believe that people need to have more compassion and respect. We all need to help those that can't help themselves and treat others the way they want to be treated being animal or human.

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Brandon Burgett Genesis 27.3: King James Bible
Now therefore take, I pray thee, thy weapons, thy quiver and thy bow, and go out to the field, and take me some venison; This is a subject that I am very proud of. Not to argue with you but I'm a prime example of the people who you are talking negatively about. I hunt deer, turkey's, rabbits, squirrels and hogs. I killed 4 deer this year. My oldest son (12) killed one but he has killed several before this year and my youngest son (8) has killed 2. I can tell you that we have a freezer full of natural, organic meat that we will eat on all year or at least until we run out. Its lean and contains no preservatives like the meat that you buy at the store. Everything I/we harvest either gets put in the freezer or given to those less fortunate that will gladly accept them to put in their freezer for them to eat. I can assure you that every game animal that I harvest gets eaten. Never have I cut the horns off a deer and threw the rest in a ditch. Wasn't raised that way and find it terrible to those who do. Let me also say that this season was the first season in 7yrs that I didn't harvest a buck. All of ours were does. Was I disappointed that I didnt kill a buck? Heck no. I had a great season. I saw plenty of bucks but nothing that was big enough for me to mount and place on my wall. But I have a freezer full of meat so my family is happy. Fortunately I hunt a piece of property that has thousands of deer and hogs and every other game animal you can think of. The hogs are taking over and are like the plague. They multiply like rats. West Jefferson and Oak Grove already have them so you will begin to see what kind of damage they can and will do to your property. I will tell you that all the hogs I kill, and I will kill everyone I can does not go to waste. I dont bring them home but I have 3 family's that live next to my property. They have kids and probably make less money in a year than you and I make in 3 months. I've taken them dozens of hogs and squirrels over the years. They love to see me pull up and are overly thankful when I do. It gives me a great feeling to know I get to bless them with food. Thats food that they wont have to buy at the store and can spend that money on other essentials. Another point I'd like to make. You obviously love animals. May surprise you that I love animals too. I am a steward of the land and put weeks of hard work into the land to better the habitat for the animals. Just because I kill them does not mean that I dont love them (except hogs). I want nothing more than for them to have the best habitat possible. Hogs destroy the habitat for all the others which is why I dont like them. But as stated before, even though I cant stand a hog doesn't mean that I drag them over to a ditch after killing one. Another point I'd like to make is that we as hunters are stewards of the land. If we dont hunt them and they become overpopulated then you should see how cruel mother nature can be. Google "Blue Tongue Disease". Thats what happens when deer become overly populated and the habitat doesn't provide enough food for the numbers and they die a slow, cruel and awful death. It can wipe out thousands. As hunters we help control the numbers and help prevent that from happening. Also the millions of dollars we hunters spend on buying tags and licenses is put back into the land to better the habitat. As far as looking at hunting as a sport is a little off center. Its a God given right. No where in the bible does it say that I can not enjoy going out and harvesting an animal to feed my family. It takes a lot of work and luck to be able to go and kill anything. The fact that it is fun makes it even better. If anything I feel I can get closer to God during a day in the woods than I ever will at a day of work. To hear the woods come alive in the spring hoping to hear a turkey gobble. The birds chirping, grass turning green again and maybe if i'm lucky I'll hear a turkey gobble. Even luckier if I am able to harvest one. All those little things that I see and hear out their in those woods remind me of just how awesome our creator is. Last but not least, both my kids have their own rifles. It made me so proud of them when they harvested their first deer. Sitting right there beside them before they pulled the trigger, my heart was about to explode with excitement. Putting a little blood on their face after that first deer is a tradition. A right of passage into the world of hunting. Its no different than blowing out the candles on your birthday cake. Its a celebration and should be looked at as such. I will agree with you that I am against any type of animal cruelty but don't look at hunting as being cruel. Hunting is a lot less cruel than mother nature can be.

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Melanie Also, the Bible was written by Man and passed down by Man. The Bible has many passages that seem against eating animals. When the world was created it was vegan and Heaven is vegan, so God intended it to be vegan. Men's sins is the only reason that animals ever were eaten. Man will always make excuses.

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Melanie Christianity also supports veganism as well. Before the Exodus from paradise, they were Vegan thus to regain status of living in paradise, one must be Vegan.

Genesis 1:29-30
Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you; and to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the sky and to everything that moves on the earth which has life, I have given every green plant for food", and it was so.

Romans 14:21
It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.

Acts 15:29
That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, & from blood, & from what has been strangled, & from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well.

For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.
Ecclesiastes 3:18-20

In an evolution of thought, the prophet cried, "I care nothing for your sacrifices or experiments, your systems, your findings, your information, your prizes."

I swear to you on this burning mountain by the words that loosened Isaiah's tongue there are only four things that matter to God from one end of this earth to the other: justice, mercy, holiness and the majesty of His creation.

Veganism is a more ethical and compassionate lifestyle. Vegans chose to stop consuming & using animals on an ethical basis.

Vegans believe it is morally wrong to kill & use animals when it's completely unnecessary to do so. Vegans don't like participating in the senseless killing of animals when we know that nutritionally, animal foods serve no purpose to live healthfully. In fact, it actually benefits us to avoid them. Not to mention it's arguably the single-most important thing one person can do to protect the environment.

If the familiar tastes & textures of animal foods can be replicated from 100% plant-based sources, there exists no moral dilemma against consuming the food at hand. Vegans are in no way being hypocritical, or proving they are suppressing their desires by eating "fake" meats. In fact, they are being morally consistent & enjoying their food just like everyone else, sans the animal products.

A global shift towards a vegan diet is vital to save the world from hunger, fuel poverty & the worst impacts of climate change.

As the global population surges towards a predicted 9.1 billion people by 2050, western tastes for diets rich in meat & dairy products are unsustainable, says the report from United Nations Environment Programme's (UNEP) international panel of sustainable resource management.

It says: "Impacts from agriculture are expected to increase substantially due to population growth increasing consumption of animal products. Unlike fossil fuels, it is difficult to look for alternatives: people have to eat. A substantial reduction of impacts would only be possible with a substantial worldwide diet change, away from animal products."

Professor Edgar Hertwich, the lead author of the report, said: "Animal products cause more damage than [producing] construction minerals such as sand or cement, plastics or metals. Biomass & crops for animals are as damaging as [burning] fossil fuels."

The recommendation follows advice last year that a vegetarian diet was better for the planet from Lord Nicholas Stern, former adviser to the Labour government on the economics of climate change. Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, chair of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), has also urged people to observe one meat-free day a week to curb carbon emissions.

The panel of experts ranked products, resources, economic activities & transport according to their environmental impacts. Agriculture was on a pair with fossil fuel consumption because both rise rapidly with increased economic growth, they said.

Ernst Von Weizsaecker, an environmental scientist who co-chaired the panel, said: "Rising affluence is triggering a shift in diets towards meat & dairy products - livestock now consumes much meat of the world's crops & by inference a great deal of freshwater, fertilisers & pesticides.

March 1 at 6:49am · Like · 1
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George The first recorded act of killinganimals was God when he gave Adam and Eve skins to cover themselves

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Jim Brown I have to assume that Melanie and I have different Bibles. Some of that "scripture" seems kind of off to me.

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Melanie,George, yeah, that is after the apple was forbidden to be eaten and was eaten. "After sin." God made Adam and Eve vegan. God created free will and allows us to do what we will. It does not mean he condones it.

Jim, there are many translations of the Bible. Lol.

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Brandon Burgett When a group of these show up and destroy your yard you might change your opinion just a little.


Brandons photo.

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Melanie Brandon, they are only there because man is taking their land for livestock. Please do research to see how much land and resources it takes to feed livestock. It takes 1/10 for a vegan diet which is proven healthier.

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Jim If the animal population weren't managed you wouldn't be able to have a vegan diet. The animals would eat or destroy all crops.

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George Yes but did he not also say I have made clean that with was unclean to eat

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Melanie We breed the livestock so they are not overpopulated and as for hunters arguing that if they were to stop hunting, the deer population would explode. This is a false argument, because if hunting were to stop, we would stop the practices that increase the deer population. State wildlife management agencies artificially boost the deer population in order to increase recreational hunting opportunities for hunters. By clear cutting forests, planting deer-preferred plants and requiring tenant farmers to leave a certain amount of their crops unharvested in order to feed the deer, the agencies are creating the edge habitat that is preferred by deer and also feeding the deer. If we stop hunting, we would also stop these tactics that increase the deer population.

If we stopped hunting, we would also stop breeding animals in captivity for hunters. Many non-hunters are unaware of state and private programs that breed quail, partridges, and pheasants in captivity, for the purpose of releasing them in the wild, to be hunted.

All wildlife populations fluctuate according to the number of predators and available resources. If human hunters are removed from the picture and we stop breeding game birds and manipulating deer habitat, the wildlife will adapt and fluctuate and reach a balance with the ecosystem. If the deer population were to explode, it would then collapse from lack of resources and continue to fluctuate, naturally.

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Melanie I actually have deer breeders who live a mile away from my house!!!!

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George Look at oak mountain state park

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Jim This collapse in deer population sounds nice, until you look at the fact that this collapse would most likely be the result of starvation and disease.

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Dee Dee Omg!

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George, Debbie you stirred up some people this morning . Hehe

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Brandon Burgett Melanie, apparently the only thing that I will ever agree with you on is the deer breeders. To me, as a "free chase hunter" I dont agree with breading them and killing them in a fence. Now if that fence surrounds 1000 or 20000 acres that changes things. Its the breading part that I do not like. That changes hunting from the way God intended to be to the way man wants it to be. Growing a 220" deer in 3yrs in not natural so you will never see me killing one. BUT as long as it is legal, then to each his own. Its just not for me. In the meantime continue to enjoy your green peas, pita bread and nuts. If thats the diet you choose then by all means enjoy it. I have no problem with your decision and would never try to tell you that its wrong as its your life. As for my family we will be having grilled deer tenderloin wrapped in bacon for dinner and I cant wait to fire up the grill.

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Melanie Like I said before I believe God did not intend people to eat animals. He gave free will. Since, you throw God into your debate, I guess you only eat what you hunt and do not EVER eat anything from slaughter houses and dairy farms? I know you do not think God intended all of that suffering with animals. Lol

You obviously do not understand that vegans eat just like meat eaters but without animal products so to list what I will enjoy eating is very ignorant.

Also, I am the healthiest of my doctor's patients. I guess I could say enjoy heart disease, obesity, diabetes, ect as the list can go on.

Enjoy your day but millions of animals wont.

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Melanie I'm not going in circles with anyone else. You need to educate yourself as eating meat is certainly what we need to worry about as we are running out of resources and land because of eating meat. We are living like we have 2 earths and we only have one. Watch Cowspiracy and other educated documentaries. I do not have time talking to brick walls. Good day.

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Brandon Burgett "Cowspiracy" = Tinfoil hat.

Probably gonna pass on that one.

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Melanie Last comment, Donna, it also says to not eat animals. God gave free will. Doesn't mean he condones it. Also, the Bible has many translations so which do you read and go by. Lol. My God is merciful and doesn't condone what you are doing to these innocent creatures created by HIM.

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Melanie, Donna, your are just too funny. I'm not liberal. I'm just not a redneck as you. I'm actually educated. Just continue to believe what makes you able to sleep at night. As for me, I will live a compassionate life like I KNOW GOD WOULD WANT.

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Melanie, You called me a liberal which is name calling. "Foot in mouth, Donna." I actually am painting today so do not have time to go in circles with you. Why don't you do some reading today!!!

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Donna, God have mercy on you Melanie...

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Melanie You too, Donna. As I will come to Him with clean hands. Lol

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Donna You are so passionate, I give u that, but are you concerned about humans? pro choice?

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Melanie Of course I am concerned with humans as that is another reason to be Vegan. Really watch Cowspiracy. Everyone in the world could be fed on a vegan diet. Also, I am 7 months pregnant and his name is Noah. I think people are monsters who kill their babies. That is why I am not liberal. I am not a cookie cutter anything. I did not vote for Obama if that is your next question. Humans are not being murdered. Only animals so I chose to be their voice since they have none. Just like women, Jews and blacks at one time. I believe in equality for all beings.

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Jim I must have missed some "Donna" posts. I'm confused.

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Donna Not really worth your time...

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Jim If we're not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

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Brandon Burgett Beat me to it Jim!

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Brandon Burgett I sleep well at night knowing that I'm an uneducated redneck that lives in the woods with to many guns used for putting food on the table for my family. Come to think of it, I could also feed my dog and cats if things ever got bad because they are just like one of my kids. Melanie I'm glad you are the healthiest patient your doctor sees. That is awesome. I hope baby Noah grows up to be big, strong, healthy and as passionate as you are. Maybe he will be passionate about the outdoors and hunting and fishing. If he ever wants to go hunting or fishing feel free to look me up. I love introducing and teaching kids how to hunt and fish.

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Deborah Wow! I had no idea so many people actually read my post. To be honest I have felt completely ignored when I post anything. I posted the information about the squirrel for awareness that there is something very wrong with the way society views life as a whole. Also the entitlement that seems so acceptiable that people have the right to decide if another living creature lives or dies. Thank you for reading it, at least I know that I did make a few people aware of it. Whether you agree with me or not really doesn't matter, it's not going to change the outcome tomorrow but, awareness will. As far as the picture of the deer, I took that one in my back yard. I will do what ever it takes to protect them. I understand if they are outside of my property lines there's not much I can do but, if they are within them they will not be harmed as long as there is breath within my body. You will never convince me that they are just animals that were put here for you to hunt for fun and that their life does not matter. As far as the statement under it I didn't write it but, I do agree with the majority of it. If I had wrote it I would have probably ended it with you can not have a pure heart or something there alike. As I stated before hunting for survial in one thing and the thrill of the kill is another. Yes I do believe if you go out and kill something just for excitement or thrill there is something very wrong with you and in my eyes it does tarnish your character as far a I see you. To me your actions are showing a lack of compassion and empathy. Brandon Burgett as far as talking negatively about hunting, I don't agree with it an if that's being negative then so be it. Everything in life is not positive. Your either for or against and I'm against on this issue. Your right about the blue tongue and mother being cruel but, we have cancer and other diseases and people are not being hunted down and killed to keep it from spreading. There are children starving and diseased in other countries and they are not being killed because of it. I think that is wonderful that you are helping provide for other families but, I have seen your hunting pictures and to be honest your freezer would have to be the size of a house to store all that meat. As for you sons I have thrilled your proud of them, you should be. I do have a questions for you about being proud of them taking their first deer. What part of giving a child a gun and encouraging them to take a life makes you proud? I am not arguring with you either but, I really would like to know. I am glad you are spending time with them alot of fathers wouldn't do that so I do praise you for it. I just don't understand why killing something is what you choose to teach them. I really do respect your opion and I know yours is just as important as mine. I feel just as strongly about animal rights as you do about hunting and I will not back down or give up either. Thank you Brandon Burgett, Melanie, Jim, Donna, George Golden and Dee Dee, for stating your views. Interesting to see the different views.

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Brandon Burgett I will answer this but not tonight. It's late and I have to get up early to go to work. In the mean time we can calmly agree to disagree.

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Deborah I am calm and I do agree with you on that.

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Sandra I have deer that I feed that come up in my yard. I just love them.

there are a few "bibles" non say you must be vegan . lol


yep she's a vegan . you should have brought up that many animals die to feed her . them harrows cuts up a lot of rats , moles . ect

her play book is straight of , "beyond vegan"

You got a phugged up family, I wouldn't worry about family re-unions, hell I wouldn't go.

Dang. That's a long argument. I had to eat a second Big Mac to get through it all.

At any rate, anytime you've got progressive, secular-minded people in an argument with a more traditional person who replies with "But the Bible says . . . ", you're at an impasse where two conflicting ideologies will seldom agree.

WRONG! I've got a great family full of good people and a lot of hunters in mine and her pedigree. She's obviously the oddball. I say she's my second cousin but she might be my 3rd. I've only met her 4-5X in my life.

As far as my final reply I've got a whole list of things to bring up. Leather, makeup, soap etc... All come from animals and animal fat.

Way too long, but then I get bored easily. The older I get the more I realize it's just not worth my time & effort to try to sway folks to my way of thinking. Despite best efforts some/most you won't reach anyway.

I accepted Jesus into my life a long time ago. Many of the things she (and other anti-hunters) speaks of in the Bible are from the old testament.

Lots of things were different in the Old Testament, however when Jesus died for our sins everything changed.

I vaguely remember a story about loaves and fishes. You remember it don't you... something about a guy feeding thousands with meager amounts. Who was the guy? I cant seem to remember... its right on the tip of my tongue. (Yes that is smart ass sarcasm).

These people are idiots. I wish they would stop eating my foods food.

In Genesis 3:21 God made clothes for Adam and Eve out of animal skins.

vegans do not hold a morel or ethical high ground . many do not even know what the hell they are talking about , because they read some book . the lady being discuss pretty much copying and pasting some thing she read .

as for the livestock eating up all the grain that is bs . most of the grain they eat is not for people any way , just a big red heron .


in no way does Christianity support being vegan . no where in any bible doe it support being vegan .


Jesus was not a vegan .

Luke 22:8 King James Version (KJV)

8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.

Very well put Frankie and the others who have replied. The way I see it, she is educated as she is a lawyer. Therefor in her mind she is way more smarter than we are us ignorant rednecks. The fact that she denies being a liberal in my mind is a dead ringer that she is, in fact a liberal. Another strong piece of evidence of this is that she is trying to tell us what to do or what not to do. If she wants to be a vegan good for her. That is her right. She has NO right to tell me that I shouldnt eat meat. As I stated earlier, I'd put money on it that she has leather clothes, shoes, and wears make up.

I don't know if the leather, makeup etc. argument will hold much water because most true Vegans avoid any kind of animal product like the plague.

However, the fact that Jesus himself was not a vegetarian is BIG. There are several places in the bible where God tells man to kill animals. God killed them too. We were given dominion over the animals, fish, fowl. God sent a flock of quail literally of biblical proportions to the Children of Israel when they were wandering in the desert.

I have a little insight on vegetarianism because My wife is vegetarian, but not the liberal, closed minded kind. She isn't vegan, just vegetarian. She simply believes it is healthier for her. That's a choice of Hers that I'm not going to try to interfere with. She helps me cut up and package deer, fish etc. She also has no problem cooking it up for Me and the rest of the family. She doesn't see hunting as evil either. As a matter of fact, I had the opportunity to blood Her face several years ago. What I'm getting at is there are a few sane minded Vegetarians out there. If they are doing it for the right reasons, I have no problem with it. But I do think the lady that You have been having the discussion with based on her comments, is definitely liberal minded on this issue.

Enough rambling from Me for now.

my final reply:

Brandon Burgett #1. My dad was taking me hunting when I was knee high to a grass hopper. I'll never forget the first time I was with him when he harvested a deer. It excited me and I could wait to harvest my first one. I got my first one at the age of nine and couldn't count how how many I have harvested since then. Of all the deer I have been fortunate to harvest, I will tell you that that number could be a lot higher as I see deer all the time that I could harvest but choose not to. To me it is part of becoming a man. I'm not saying that men that do not hunt are less of a man than me but because that is definitely not the case. But in my raising by my dad and uncles and cousins its was a right of passage in becoming a man. If you think that is showing a lack of character in my heart then so be it. I will not change. My dad always taught me to take have class and be a good steward of the land. You wont catch me littering or throwing garbage on the ground or trash out the window as I believe that the land deserves better than to become a dumping ground for peoples trash. #2. Me being completely excited about teaching my kids to harvest animals for eating is teaching them many lessons. For one I'm teaching them to be a provider. I'm also teaching them to respect the land and the animals. In my opinion I'm teaching them how to become a man. That in itself is something to be proud of.. And no where in the bible does it say that I can not enjoy life. If hunting by myself or with my kids or friends brings joy to my life and those arond me then thats just a bonus. God does not frown on us when we have fun. He wants us to enjoy life. Once again as stated before, I feel closer to god than I ever will going to work, driving down the road or going to see a movie. Next as far as people dying of cancer all around the world and we are not killing them. Those people are humans. They are not animals. Animals are Gods creations but they are not equal to Human beings. We as humans have dominion over every living creature. As I have already stated, the God I serve put the animals on this earth to provide food for us humans. You will never convince me otherwise. Lord willing I will hunt and eat organic meat that I harvest in the field as long as I am able to do so. I will also eat store bought meat when needed. Couple questions I have for you: Do you carry a leather purse, wear leather shoes, or own leather jacket or is all your clothing made completley out of denim or synthetic material? Do you wear makeup and bath with soap? You do know that almost all makeup and most soaps are made of ingredients made of animal fat. One of my largest customers at work is a company that deals is animal parts that are not edible. Their biggest customers which they sale animal fat and bones to are companies that make soaps and makeup. If you answered yes to any of these questions then how does that make you different than me? Your wearing makeup made from animal fat means that an "innocent animal" was killed in order to #1 put food on someones table. #2 what was left was sold to a company to make makeup one to improve their appearance. #3 One of the main ingredients in most soaps is animal fat. Having said all this at animal did not go to waste. Nearly ever part of it was put to use for something. I'm sure you know this but you and I being family both come from a long pedigree of hunters and hog farmers. I'm proud of my heritage and where I came from. I have no shame that I'm a hunter. You mention that you see all my deer pics that I post on facebook. Do you also see the numbers of "likes" that I get when I post them? I can assure you that all those "likes" are not from people that hunt. Many are from people that hunt. But there are more from people that dont hunt but do agree with me that animals are here for us to consume. Just look at all my "likes" compared to yours posting about how hunting is cruel. You have a total of 2 "likes" on this post while I have dozens if not hundreds on my hunting pics. I dont post those pics to be boastful but rather to use facebook as a forever lasting picture album where I am able to share a story with friends and family. When I'm 80 I want to be able to look back and see and remember all the good times and memories I had while living life. And a big part of my life is hunting. I'm glad you love animals. I love them too. I put a lot of work into making their habitat better to improve the he the herds. What do you do to improve the herds other than maybe feeding them in your yard. I feed them in my yard as well dont kill them. I have a farm that all my deer come from. The ones in the yard are almost like pets and we, as in my family enjoy watching them in the yard. But if economy were to collapse and things where to get really bad, dont think for a minute that I would not harvest one to feed my family. Once again we can agree to disagree. You can continue to shoot the innocent animals with a camera and make pretty pictures. I will continue to shoot them with a bow, rifle, shotgun or camera and in the end I will be the one with food on the table and we are alike in that neither of us are being cruel to animals.
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I agree with everything you said Metal. I've never met a liberal that admitted they were a liberal.

I cant believe I got sucked into this debate but hunting and fishing is something I honor and take pride in and if all this negativity is put out there and no one calls them out on it them it becomes the truth. I'm done arguing with a brick wall.

Like you my wife loves vegtables more than meat but she will eat meat. She has no problem with me killing things to put on the table. She would rather have venison over beef any day of the week and one of her favorite foods is wild turkey breast.

I'm no vegan or vegetarian despite my lack of venison over many years, but in my Bible study I've always leaned toward believing that Jesus probably did not eat meat. I think in the NT we only see Jesus eating small portions of bread and wine as he held to a consistent pattern of self denial and avoidance of rich or pleasurable foods.

I guess the question here is do You consider fish to be meat? It is flesh and it bleeds when cut, so to Me fish is meat. I know that Catholics and many others will disagree though. The bible doesn't actually say that Jesus eat the fish, but the idea that He increased it and ordered it to be dispersed, strongly suggests it. IMHO.

Ok, Luke 24:42 shows Jesus eating a piece of fish in that one setting, so he was not totally vegetarian I guess. It's still an interesting question.

really it don't matter if he ate meat or not . the argument with vegans is was jesus against animal use . it's pretty clear he was not . to prepare passover a lamb is picked out and it's throat is cut and bled out . then cooked .

if he was against eating or using animals he would not have told his buddy's to prepare passover .


Luke 22:8-13King James Version (KJV)

8 And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.

by that and knowing what passover is and what it involves , he ate meat . imo

But then again since Jesus was God in the flesh, maybe he didn't need to eat at all to sustain life. More than a few theologians hold to this view.

that i care nothing about . i merely use jesus because vegans use him .

her final response to those still interested. I'm done (I think)rambling on about this. She's a Peta member and I'm just a peter since I kill innocent animals.... This could go on for if I were to let it. Like I said, we are related but obviously our upbring was much different.

smith--- Brandon, I'm glad you responded. #1 That explains alot as to why you feel lthe way you do about hunting. Your father taught you to take a life before he ever taught you the value of life. I am so sorry that happened to you at such a young age. Children are a product of their enviroment . My father took me hunting once. I was about 10 we had just moved to OG and we had several acres. I was so excited I was going to go with him! We went into the woods, found a spot and waited.....then there it was a squirrel in a tree. Dad took his aim and in that second I realized he was going to shoot it. I screamed as loud as I could for him not to kill it! He missed his shot and took me home. I was never ask to go again and I never wanted to go. I was heartbroken to think my dad would kill that squirrel. Thankfully dad wasn't a big hunter and he only went about 3 times during the time we lived down there. When he did he would get a squirrel, skin it, cook it, eat it and then he would throw up. When he got older his views changed and he decided it was sincless to hunt animals in the woods, after all they were just trying to survive. The only way he agreed with it was if that was the only way you had to provide for your family because you didn't have any other means. We gardened and our diet was primarily plant based. You've probably heard the stories about the gardens as you had not been born yet. Believe it or not my father taught me values and how to provide as well and thankfully it didn't involve killing something to become a woman. Mine always told me to have faith, act like a lady, respect and help others and never back down from something you believe in. You and I were raised with different views and since we are a product of our enviroment that is where we differ on this subject. You will not change your view and neighter will I, that's just the way it is. #2 I'm really happy that you have 2 children and you are denicated to teaching them morals and values. That is something to be proud of. I never said you couldn't hunt to provide. I said I believe hunting for sport or thrill is wrong. I just don't believe you should be so focused on hunting as the only way to teach them to be good providers. I would hope you are spending as much time teaching them money management skills so they will be able to provide more for themselves as well as their future families without having to struggle to survive. I never stated or implied that God didn't want you to enjoy your life. Of course he does, he gave you an awesome gift, the gift of life, he also gave that gift to the animals as well.
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---smith As for your questions Brandon I don't have a problem ansewering anything you want to ask me. I will tell you right now I'm not perfect, far from it. I have flaws just like everybody else and I do try to improve on them everyday. You ask about my purse, right now my purse is canvas but, yes I do have some leather in my closet. I did not hunt that leather, yes I purchased but, it was made from left over parts so it was not wasted. Makeup, yes I wear it and I make it a point to buy products that have not been tested on animals. Night cream, sure do! I use olive oil(plant based) as far as soap yes I love soap and I use a lot of it. I buy organic soap made by hand and sometimes I do make my own soap so I know what's in it and it is not animal based. So no I am no different from you, never said I was, I said we have different views on this subject. Also let me answer you next question that I'm sure your wondering about and just forgot to ask. Yes I do buy meat and I still eat some meat. This is something I eat very little of and am slowly replacing it with soy based products. I told you I'm not perfect. I have become more aware of the health benifits or a meatless diet and I am striving for that. I have not eaten any beef or pork in 23 years and have no desire to. Yes I make hamburgers on the grill but, my hamburgers are made of soy. I put meatballs in dishes, soy again. I would say 90% of our diet is plant based and the other 10% is fish and chicken. I am working to elimate it from our diet and the more I look at PETA the easier it is becoming. As far as our heritage, I am very proud of it. I remember papas pasture and all the cows, I love to go feed & milk the cows with him. I remember his tractor and the gardens and your grand dad and his pigs. He gardened and canned as well. They all worked hard to get to where they were and they did well. I'm very proud and thankful for all my relatives and that includes you as well. I'm glad that God decided to make me a part of this family because I know of no other family I had rather be a part of. You ask me what I did for the animals other than feed them in my yard. I don't just feed deer in my yard there are many others as well. I am a member of PETA and have been for several years, I donate to animal welfare, I usually have food in my car if I see one out on the side of the road or looks stranded somewhere I will leave food for it. I have picked them up in the middle of the night off the road and brought them home and doctored them or took them to the vet or Oak Mountain (caught a screach owl), I ran across a bunch of cat behind a store and went and fead them everynight until they were all captured. Took bedding for them as well. There was a dog that got hit in OG and traffic was backed up and no one was getting out to help him. I got out, straddled him, got him up and across the road and waited for his owner to come get him. One of the people sitting in the car told me he was a pit bull. Ok, he needed help so I helped him. Just last week there was a dog tied in a yard, I've seen him several times with no shelter. It was cold and I was worried about him so I was going to buy him a house but, when I passed by they had put a house out but, nothing in it so I bought him a bed to go in it and I put it in there drive way so they would find it and he would'nt have to sleep on the ground. I don't know them and they don't know me but, the dog has a warm soft place now he wouldn't have had. I do what ever I can for them. Animals are closer to my heart but, they are not the only things I do to help others or bring happiness into their life. I am not a bad person Brandon. I do the best I can and hope my contributions honor God and make the world a little better place. I'm not perfect but, I am content and I am blessed. And I have no intentions of changing either. As to how many likes I have verses yours it doesn't matter. Have you looked at my back yard visitor album, it has a lot of likes. I added the squirrel awareness for simply that as for the other pictures their for me because they make my heart happy when I look at them. If someone else wants to looks at them thats ok. If people want to unfriend me because I am against thrill hunting so be it, I don't express my views alot and if they have a problem with this they are not going to agree with my other views either. I'm glad you responded and I hope I answered all your questions.
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PESCETARIAN! Yeah, maybe that's what Jesus was. I know this has nothing to do with the main point here, but I'm just seeing if I can continue to get a rise out of my ALDEER bretheren.

Just scratch that fruit bat out of your memory banks and recognize and enjoy the sane members of your family.

like I said, I've only met her 4-5x in my life so it shouldn't be a problem. Probably make it a point to bring some type of game meat at the next family reunion. I normally bring turkey to my immediate family for our Easter party and its normally gone before I finish cooking it. Deer wrapped in bacon is always a big hit at Thankgiving and Christmas. We don't have many family reunions so it shouldn't be hard to forget about this.

BPS ,,, if you need some what of a relationship with this woman . let it go , your discussion will end bad with her .

they can not discuss the topic reasonably for long . the name calling will get bad shortly .

Frankie I'm done brother. I've kept it calm for the most part but I can see your point and yes it could get ugly if we kept on. I'm finished with it. Like I said in an earlier post, if it would have been about how terrible guns are I would have jumped in just as much. A lie left unchallenged becomes the truth.

I love vegans, more meat for me to eat. I would say that plowing one acre to cultivate it probably kills more animals than I have by hunting my entire life. Worms, rats and bugs are no different than deer, rabbits and hogs in Gods eyes.

Speaking of plowing a field, when rabbit hunting this weekend, in the back of a 50ac field, there was probably a 10ac spot in the back that was rooted up from hogs. It was unbelievable how big it was. Tried to take a pic but my phone was acting up. I'd like to see the look in their eyes if pigs ever did something like that to their yards.

I need to see pictures of the cousin before I can figure out who's side I'm on.

My head hurts after reading all this.

nobody made you read it. But you can see why and how I got drawn into it.

funny but I'm going to refrain from posting a pic or commenting any further..

Deuteronomy 14:4-20


These [are] the beasts which ye shall eat: the ox, the sheep, and the goat,

5 The hart, and the roebuck, and the fallow deer, and the wild goat, and the pygarg, and the wild ox, and the chamois.

6 And every beast that parteth the hoof, and cleaveth the cleft into two claws, [and] cheweth the cud among the beasts, that ye shall eat.

7 Nevertheless these ye shall not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the cloven hoof; [as] the camel, and the hare, and the coney: for they chew the cud, but divide not the hoof; [therefore] they [are] unclean unto you.

8 And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it [is] unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcase.

9 These ye shall eat of all that [are] in the waters: all that have fins and scales shall ye eat:

10 And whatsoever hath not fins and scales ye may not eat; it [is] unclean unto you.

11 [Of] all clean birds ye shall eat.

12 But these [are they] of which ye shall not eat: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,

13 And the glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind,

14 And every raven after his kind,

15 And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,

16 The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan,

17 And the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the cormorant,

18 And the stork, and the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.

19 And every creeping thing that flieth [is] unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.

20 [But of] all clean fowls ye may eat.

That's interesting scripture, I've never read that, so basically according to the bible we can't eat anything with a split hoof, can't eat or touch a pig? Basically can't eat anything that chews the cud, I posted a few days ago about my elementary bible education

Incorrect Sir Steelman. Go back and read the part about the split hoof again.

if the hoof is cloven(split into 2 toes) and the animal chews his cud, then it is clen to eat. Deer and Cattle, antelope, etc. are for your eating pleasure.

Myself, I don't eat pork. But I can tear up a good steak or deer tenderloin.

I pretty much don't consult the good book when I'm deciding what I want to eat.

Agreed. That's the least of my worries on whether I get in or not.