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Bait and switch #1282674
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I put out a block of Trophy Rock this past weekend mainly to get deer on camera. I have no concern on debating whether it helps the deer or if I should have saved $5 with something else. Not sure how long the block will last, but hope to keep a block out until a couple weeks before the season starts. I have considered swapping it out for a (legal) pure salt block before the season starts with the hopes deer will keep the routine going. However, I am guessing deer will lose interest in it though by that time of year? I will probably do it anyways since it will be a cheap experiment.

Re: Bait and switch [Re: Joe4majors] #1282690
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The block will likely be gone by that point and you will have established the makings of a long term mineral site. I've found that I'll get more buck pics than does on those licks starting around mid-July. thumbup


Originally Posted by CNC
Ya'll are just overthinking it now

Re: Bait and switch [Re: 3FFarms] #1282693
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Originally Posted By: 3FFarms
...and you will have established the makings of a long term mineral site.


How does that play out in terms of legality?

I also plan to put in a clover/cereal rye plot so that's where my my focus will be.

Re: Bait and switch [Re: Joe4majors] #1282699
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Trophy Rock is legal in Alabama.

Re: Bait and switch [Re: Brian_C] #1282703
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Originally Posted By: Brian_C
Trophy Rock is legal in Alabama.


How?


Re: Bait and switch [Re: Joe4majors] #1282721
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Trophy rock is not legal during hunting season to hunt over


Let them walk ...and grow them big
Re: Bait and switch [Re: hopper35005] #1282729
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Originally Posted By: hopper35005
Trophy rock is not legal during hunting season to hunt over


While I wouldn't spend the money on one, Trophy Rock is a natural mineral - and hence is legal to hunt over.


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Re: Bait and switch [Re: Joe4majors] #1282732
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trophy rock is legal to hunt over. probably won't have many deer hitting minerals in season though.

Re: Bait and switch [Re: Atoler] #1282789
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I keep trophy rocks out year round. They lick them year round. Depending on usage and amount of rain the tend to last bout 2 months (some longer and some not that long).


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I like to put cameras on mineral/salt licks during the summer as well. Generally get a lot of different buck pics.

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best place for me to camera inventory bucks is on a Trophy Rock site at my land. July to September lots of bucks on them.

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Originally Posted By: hopper35005
Trophy rock is not legal during hunting season to hunt over


bout as wrong info as you can get son.......it IS legal because Montgomery said it is legal. Period. End of discussion.


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Re: Bait and switch [Re: Joe4majors] #1283061
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We've already had this discussion. Yes, trophy rock is legal to hunt over. I linked an article last time that showed where the state had approved it since it is supposed to be 100% natural minerals. I'm not taking the time to look it up again. Listen to Fred or look it up yourself.


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Re: Bait and switch [Re: Joe4majors] #1283100
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Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
We've already had this discussion. Yes, trophy rock is legal to hunt over. I linked an article last time that showed where the state had approved it since it is supposed to be 100% natural minerals. I'm not taking the time to look it up again. Listen to Fred or look it up yourself.


Don't bother, the link from the previous post is dead.

The only mention in the "Alabama Regulations 2014-2015: Game, Fish, Furbearers, and other Wildlife" publication of "salt" is with reference to public land. The word mineral is not listed once. Neither is Trophy, or Rock (didn't expect it to, just sayin').

Alabama Regulations 2014-2015

Direct quote from the stated publication: "220-2-.157 Definition of Area Regulation
For the purposes of Section 9-11-244, Code of Alabama 1975, and Rule
220-2-.11, Alabama Administrative Code, as it applies to the hunting of deer
and feral swine, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that any bait or feed
(as defined in Section 9-11-244) located beyond 100 yards from the hunter
and not within the line of sight of the hunter, is not a lure, attraction or
enticement to, on or over the area where the hunter is attempting to kill or
take the deer or feral swine. For the purpose of this regulation, “not within
the line of sight” means being hidden from view by natural vegetation or
naturally occurring terrain features. This regulation shall not apply on public
lands."

Section 9-11-244 reads: "No person at any time shall take, catch, kill or attempt to take, catch or kill any bird or animal protected by law or regulation of the State of Alabama by means, aid or use, directly or indirectly, of any bait such as shelled, shucked or unshucked corn or of wheat or other grain, SALT or any other feed whatsoever that has been so deposited, placed, distributed or scattered as to constitute for such birds or animals a lure, attraction or enticement to, on or over the area where such hunter or hunters are attempting to kill or take them; provided, that such birds or animals may be taken under properly shocked corn and standing crops of corn, wheat or other grain or feed and grains scattered solely as a result of normal agricultural harvesting and provided further, migratory birds may be hunted under the most recent provisions established by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service or regulations promulgated by the Commissioner of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources within the limits of the federal regulations."


Alabama Code 9-11-244


The Digest, which apparently means nothing says: "It is illegal to: 23. Hunt using poison, explosives or chemicals to include deer blocks, molasses blocks, mineral blocks, chemical licks, and similar products. Deer may be hunted over plain salt licks containing no other minerals or chemicals."

Being clear as mud as usual, good luck finding anything that is "plain salt containing no other minerals." Any "salt" is going to contain some amount of trace minerals. Do you honestly think anyone goes to the trouble to remove trace minerals from salt? Nice "clean" salt from the store wouldn't be 84 cents per container if they removed trace minerals. Trophy Rock's website says it is 91% sea salt with the rest being trace minerals. Of course, the exact percentages will vary from block to block.

There is an old article linked below where they briefly mention if Trophy Rock is legal. Not sure if this is the same article you're talking about YelpSoftly?

I'll contact the state myself and report back.

2011 Article

Re: Bait and switch [Re: Joe4majors] #1283182
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New regs from Alabama, who would have thought! Keep us posted.
This brings up a question, the mineral lick once started continues to draw animals long after it has been out of site....does that constitute hunting illegally? We have been using minerals for years and we have a very easy to find hole in the ground at each location.

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Originally Posted By: TwoRs
New regs from Alabama, who would have thought! Keep us posted.
This brings up a question, the mineral lick once started continues to draw animals long after it has been out of site....does that constitute hunting illegally? We have been using minerals for years and we have a very easy to find hole in the ground at each location.


Good question.

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Straight from the state. I'm going to print out this email and keep it with me just in case. Still doesn't mean I won't miss the dang deer.


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I poured clorox on the ground in a spot I have access to. We'll see if that draws them in.

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