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Re: is it true?
[Re: bigt]
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02/02/15 12:32 PM
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I know one thing, the voice is getting pretty loud from the "people" that we aren't seeing deer and something has to change. And for the couple of guys that are crying about needing to kill more does, you don't have my sympathy. Why do you HAVE to kill them? Do you have browse line in your woods? Does seeing 10 does every time you hunt make you angry? Kill the does if you want/need to but don't tell the other 75% of the state where the deer population is declining that something doesn't need to be done. Now that is selfish. The 25% of the people can't help that the other 75% can't manage their property. All I got to say to this comment is what a pile of CRAP.... What part is crap? Are you above carrying capacity for your property or below? Below....so your point Have it always been below carry capacity? If not, how did it get that way? Did y'all have a die off? No it has not. It used to have great density.Let's see how did it get that way....liberal doe limits set by the state, two good clubs next to me not being able to keep their lease due to just about every tree being cut which caused the land to have frequent turnover which encouraged No management and a lot of brown it's down hunting, what I believe was bad advice from a biologist to us that we followed for a few years and a high predator population including the largest bear population in the state.....I probably missed something but that pretty much covers it. My point is management. On paper the State opened the doe season up to allow people to better manage their place, IF they needed to. On the ground, some people really opened up on the doe killing if they needed to or not. Some folks don't realize or care that the management on their place can affect their neighbor's place. Just the nature of the beast when managing a roving resource. If there is a population problem, I hope the State and the hunters can correct it.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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02/02/15 12:37 PM
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I know one thing, the voice is getting pretty loud from the "people" that we aren't seeing deer and something has to change. And for the couple of guys that are crying about needing to kill more does, you don't have my sympathy. Why do you HAVE to kill them? Do you have browse line in your woods? Does seeing 10 does every time you hunt make you angry? Kill the does if you want/need to but don't tell the other 75% of the state where the deer population is declining that something doesn't need to be done. Now that is selfish. The 25% of the people can't help that the other 75% can't manage their property. All I got to say to this comment is what a pile of CRAP.... What part is crap? Are you above carrying capacity for your property or below? Below....so your point Have it always been below carry capacity? If not, how did it get that way? Did y'all have a die off? No it has not. It used to have great density.Let's see how did it get that way....liberal doe limits set by the state, two good clubs next to me not being able to keep their lease due to just about every tree being cut which caused the land to have frequent turnover which encouraged No management and a lot of brown it's down hunting, what I believe was bad advice from a biologist to us that we followed for a few years and a high predator population including the largest bear population in the state.....I probably missed something but that pretty much covers it. My point is management. On paper the State opened the doe season up to allow people to better manage their place, IF they needed to. On the ground, some people really opened up on the doe killing if they needed to or not. Some folks don't realize or care that the management on their place can affect their neighbor's place. Just the nature of the beast when managing a roving resource. If there is a population problem, I hope the State and the hunters can correct it. I understand. I just see the need to put some reasonable limits in for the people who have no desire manage only to kill while providing a way for those that truly need to kill more does can....
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/02/15 01:18 PM
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And another point on limits.....Why did management areas have different doe limits than the surrounding private land in that county? When 2 does per day was the limit in Jackson County why was the limit on Skyline just 1 doe?
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/02/15 01:20 PM
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I hunted 16 days this year, and saw deer all but 2, BUT, the sighting were 1 to 4 does, and on some sits, all bucks. I have 26 vacation days next year, and I think I might take them all during deer season and kill every doe I see since we have an overpopulation problem - sarcasm. I won't even take kids hunting now because it SUCKS so bad compared to when I grew up. They would no doubt lose interest. So, I'm just going to do my part next year based on the ALFA, State Farm, Auburn University, QDMA, AL DCNR principles, and murder every legal doe I can, because I can. I also want to make sure that everybody that thinks, because they saw a doe or four, that there are too many deer, has maybe four miserable years of not seeing much, and their kids have a miserable experience too. Maybe my slaughter will make them feel like the herd is balanced.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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02/02/15 01:39 PM
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And another point on limits.....Why did management areas have different doe limits than the surrounding private land in that county? When 2 does per day was the limit in Jackson County why was the limit on Skyline just 1 doe? So at least a breeding pair would survive...
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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Well I am a Deer dogger, so I am almost a biologist..  I think it should be different in different countys.. AND, people need trigger control. I don't know what you do and don't have on your land, If I was loaded with does on my farm, I would like to kill two per day, I could kill 4 in one weekend, then work them all up at one time. That way I just have to clean my processing stuff one time, all my meat deer are out of the way, and I can concentrate on big buck. Now, my neck of the woods isn't loaded with does, so we choose to let them go, unless its a kids first. But I think it does need to be different statewide, not sure the best way to go about it though..
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Re: is it true?
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02/03/15 06:15 AM
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I just like to deer hunt. I killed 4-5 does and two bucks this year we will eat these and probably run out before next year. I gave two of them to a family that lives down the street. I hunt to eat and the last thing I want is someone stepping and adding more regulations. We are just about regulated to death as it is. Not everyone hunts to kill bucks. A lot of us just hunt because we like to hunt.if you don't like the rules alabama has in place take your ass to another state and hunt. What a short sighted comment. There are hunters all over the state saying the deer numbers are down, but you don't care. Bygod I'm going to kill 7 deer a year and nobody is going to tell me I can't. I hunt several pieces of public land and saw deer almost everytime in different places around the state. except for twice and those are when I went with other people and sat on a green field on a club. If you think killing a deer or two all around central alabama is going to hurt the population you are sadly mistaken
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/03/15 06:16 AM
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I just like to deer hunt. I killed 4-5 does and two bucks this year we will eat these and probably run out before next year. I gave two of them to a family that lives down the street. I hunt to eat and the last thing I want is someone stepping and adding more regulations. We are just about regulated to death as it is. Not everyone hunts to kill bucks. A lot of us just hunt because we like to hunt.if you don't like the rules alabama has in place take your ass to another state and hunt. in 10 yrs when there isn't no deer in the state of Alabama anymore I hope you ain't the first to cry about it and be the first to go out of state to hunt. If it stays the way it is now in 10years we won't have any deer No way we will ever kill off all the deer. Maybe you need to learn to hunt so you can see deer when you go?
We will burn that bridge when we get there
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/03/15 08:22 AM
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No way we will ever kill off all the deer. Maybe you need to learn to hunt so you can see deer when you go?
Oh no you didn't! Lol
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/03/15 08:34 AM
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WELL I THINK we should only be allowed to harvest a certain # of deer based on how many acres you hunt. No way anybody can argue that JOe Blow getting to kill three bucks and who knows how many does off of his 2.5 acre house lot is good for deer management. I'm not saying its illegal, but there's no way it's right from any management stand point. A 5000 acre club should be allotted X amount of does and bucks it can harvest. Doesn't matter if there is 10 members or 20. The land can only sustain so much. If you want to solely hunt on your 5 acres then you get allotted whatever deer your land earns. Hell I have one place with houses all around it. What if everybody in those family's were shooting all the deer that they could? Recon that would be good for the deer herd?
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/03/15 08:43 AM
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In the 12-13 season I had pics of 5 bucks and 7 does on my 9 acres. Back in the summer I bought 4 adjoining acres and this season I have pics of 3 does. I reckon I shoulda killed all of 'em last season.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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02/03/15 09:17 AM
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I remember when there were so few deer in Alabama that simply seeing a track was a big event. We did not even have seasons in north Alabama. We worked hard to build a huntable herd. Then we, meaning the hunters in Alabama, began to have a great deer population. It was illegal to shoot does. Then we could shoot a few. Now we can kill them all and guess what- the deer herd in a lot of Alabama has dropped. Sure, some large tracts still have a good number of does but we are not seeing the numbers we saw just a few years ago. I would like to see recent counts on the sex and the age of the population broken down across the State.
Its not just the wholesale shooting of breeding age does that is the problem, there are also changes in agricultural practices, habitat lose, and an increase in the number of hunters.
I am not in favor of the government interfering in our lives or rights but they are the only entity that has the ability and resources to develop comprehensive plan for the management of the deer population so that we and out kids will have quality deer to hunt in the future.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: judge sharpe]
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02/03/15 09:25 AM
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I remember when there were so few deer in Alabama that simply seeing a track was a big event. We did not even have seasons in north Alabama. We worked hard to build a huntable herd. Then we, meaning the hunters in Alabama, began to have a great deer population. It was illegal to shoot does. Then we could shoot a few. Now we can kill them all and guess what- the deer herd in a lot of Alabama has dropped. Sure, some large tracts still have a good number of does but we are not seeing the numbers we saw just a few years ago. I would like to see recent counts on the sex and the age of the population broken down across the State.
Its not just the wholesale shooting of breeding age does that is the problem, there are also changes in agricultural practices, habitat lose, and an increase in the number of hunters.
I am not in favor of the government interfering in our lives or rights but they are the only entity that has the ability and resources to develop comprehensive plan for the management of the deer population so that we and out kids will have quality deer to hunt in the future. Good post. I remember in Jackson Co. when if you shot a buck of any kind it was a big deal. If you saw 6-8 deer a season it was pretty good. Most folks a have been spoiled seeing deer. I remember the old days and for that reason I don't have to see 20 every time I go huntin'. The "good old days" are now for our area, be nice if we were just left alone!
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Re: is it true?
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02/03/15 09:26 AM
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I just like to deer hunt. I killed 4-5 does and two bucks this year we will eat these and probably run out before next year. I gave two of them to a family that lives down the street. I hunt to eat and the last thing I want is someone stepping and adding more regulations. We are just about regulated to death as it is. Not everyone hunts to kill bucks. A lot of us just hunt because we like to hunt.if you don't like the rules alabama has in place take your ass to another state and hunt. in 10 yrs when there isn't no deer in the state of Alabama anymore I hope you ain't the first to cry about it and be the first to go out of state to hunt. If it stays the way it is now in 10years we won't have any deer No way we will ever kill off all the deer. Maybe you need to learn to hunt so you can see deer when you go? T You don't realize it has been done before....
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Re: is it true?
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No way we will ever kill off all the deer. Maybe you need to learn to hunt so you can see deer when you go?
Oh no you didn't! Lol Oh yes he did.....dumbass couldn't help himself I guess he just needed to insult somebody today to make himself feel better....
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Re: is it true?
[Re: bigt]
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02/03/15 09:30 AM
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I just like to deer hunt. I killed 4-5 does and two bucks this year we will eat these and probably run out before next year. I gave two of them to a family that lives down the street. I hunt to eat and the last thing I want is someone stepping and adding more regulations. We are just about regulated to death as it is. Not everyone hunts to kill bucks. A lot of us just hunt because we like to hunt.if you don't like the rules alabama has in place take your ass to another state and hunt. in 10 yrs when there isn't no deer in the state of Alabama anymore I hope you ain't the first to cry about it and be the first to go out of state to hunt. If it stays the way it is now in 10years we won't have any deer No way we will ever kill off all the deer. Maybe you need to learn to hunt so you can see deer when you go? T You don't realize it has been done before.... By legal hunting in fall/winter season you won't kill them out in the mountains of Northeast Alabama. Waaaay too many places to hide. Don't take it from me , heard a biologist say it and I believe it.
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Re: is it true?
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WELL I THINK we should only be allowed to harvest a certain # of deer based on how many acres you hunt. No way anybody can argue that JOe Blow getting to kill three bucks and who knows how many does off of his 2.5 acre house lot is good for deer management. I'm not saying its illegal, but there's no way it's right from any management stand point. A 5000 acre club should be allotted X amount of does and bucks it can harvest. Doesn't matter if there is 10 members or 20. The land can only sustain so much. If you want to solely hunt on your 5 acres then you get allotted whatever deer your land earns. Hell I have one place with houses all around it. What if everybody in those family's were shooting all the deer that they could? Recon that would be good for the deer herd? That's basically what happened on my 96 acres. Old man that owned the land behind me died and his kids sold in 5 and 10 acres lots. Pretty much screwed the hunting there. There was actually 10 guys hunting on 20 acres piece behind me on year smh...
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Re: is it true?
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I just like to deer hunt. I killed 4-5 does and two bucks this year we will eat these and probably run out before next year. I gave two of them to a family that lives down the street. I hunt to eat and the last thing I want is someone stepping and adding more regulations. We are just about regulated to death as it is. Not everyone hunts to kill bucks. A lot of us just hunt because we like to hunt.if you don't like the rules alabama has in place take your ass to another state and hunt. in 10 yrs when there isn't no deer in the state of Alabama anymore I hope you ain't the first to cry about it and be the first to go out of state to hunt. If it stays the way it is now in 10years we won't have any deer No way we will ever kill off all the deer. Maybe you need to learn to hunt so you can see deer when you go? T You don't realize it has been done before.... By legal hunting in fall/winter season you won't kill them out in the mountains of Northeast Alabama. Waaaay too many places to hide. Don't take it from me , heard a biologist say it and I believe it. I don't know about a specific area but once upon a time this state had to spend a lot of money and effort to restock deer across this state.
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Re: is it true?
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02/03/15 09:40 AM
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I just like to deer hunt. I killed 4-5 does and two bucks this year we will eat these and probably run out before next year. I gave two of them to a family that lives down the street. I hunt to eat and the last thing I want is someone stepping and adding more regulations. We are just about regulated to death as it is. Not everyone hunts to kill bucks. A lot of us just hunt because we like to hunt.if you don't like the rules alabama has in place take your ass to another state and hunt. What a short sighted comment. There are hunters all over the state saying the deer numbers are down, but you don't care. Bygod I'm going to kill 7 deer a year and nobody is going to tell me I can't. I hunt several pieces of public land and saw deer almost everytime in different places around the state. except for twice and those are when I went with other people and sat on a green field on a club. If you think killing a deer or two all around central alabama is going to hurt the population you are sadly mistaken Let me get this straight: you saw deer, on public land, which therefore means you saw deer on land with managed and prescribed doe days. You didn't see deer on private property where there aren't doe days. You do realize what you just said completely defeats your argument? The fact that you saw deer every time on land managed by doe days plays into everyone's argument for less doe killing. Unbelievable.
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Re: is it true?
[Re: Deerslyer86]
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Y'all keep on talking about limiting people based on acreage or how many deer someone "needs" or "don't need" and somesuch ... it'll come back to bite you in the ass.
Just keep on. It ain't never good enough. Unlimited does and three bucks ... 10 does and two bucks ... four does and 1 buck but a few extra does if you get on the program. Before long seven does is too many and someone "don't need" that many because they only have 302 acre and hell, anyone knows you only "need" to have a few and besides ...
Indiana, which has a good bit of open land, has a 1-buck limit. Their population isn't gigantic. Hunters there are bitching now about the proposal to allow rifles - HORRORS! RIFLES!! - because hunters "don't need a rifle" to kill a deer.
Ohio has giant bucks and they're bitching like little girls. Kentucky has big bucks and a 1-buck limit and I hear their hunters complaining about their DNR.
No one ever is satisfied.
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